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Old 08-18-2017, 05:01 PM
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Hi all,

My name is Andrew, and I have just recently gotten into flying RC planes. My wife and I both bought a couple of foamy RTF planes - I got the Sportsman S+ and she got the Delta Ray. We're both pretty happy with our planes, because our skill level is currently zero when it comes to flying. We've joined a local RC flyers club and I'm looking for a winter project. I want to build my next trainer - gas powered this time. I am looking for something that's big (to me, the larger planes are much easier to see in the air) and 4 channel. Obviously, all the elements of a trainer are important to me as well - i want it to be relatively easy to fly, not super fast, and fun. While I have very little experience building R/C planes, I am an engineer in the aerospace industry by trade, and am pretty handy with tools, blueprints, and am capable of reading and understanding instructions.

Any input you have for me would be great - thanks in advance!
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Old 08-18-2017, 06:43 PM
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Great Planes PT-60. Great Planes PT-60 Trainer Kit .45-.60,71" | TowerHobbies.com

Of course, I'm biased. I'm building one right now. https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...t-Planes-PT-60
My first trainer was the PT-40, back about 17 years ago. Rock solid, flew like it was on rails. Pretty easy assembly for a kit, also.
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Check out the Sig Kadet Sr. in either the kit or ARF form.
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Old 08-18-2017, 11:43 PM
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A SIG LT-40 is an excellent trainer. Wingspan is 70". It has a nosewheel - easier to steer than a taildragger. I've got 2 LT-40 ARF's. One is a float plane, the other I received yesterday and I'm in the process of putting it together. I will use it for my club's Trainer Banger competition which is a contest to see who can perform the following maneuvers the best:
- fast pass
- slow pass
- figure 8
- descending loop
- etc.

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Old 08-19-2017, 05:42 AM
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When you say build I am thinking you are contemplating a kit or from plans rather than an arf.

One of the best kit built trainers ever is the TELEMASTER by Hobby Lobby now called Hobby Express. They come in a variety of sizes and configurations. They even come as ARFs if your so inclined. Ask anyone who has owned/flown one. I have been in the hobby for over 40 years and I still own and fly 3 different models. I highly recommend to build what ever you decide on as a tail dragger.

Telemasters

If your looking to build from plans and want something different that flys just as nice as the Telemaster I recommend Chuck Cunninghams Lazy Ace. It too comes in different sizes.

First pic Telemaster .40 on floats Saito .50

Second and third pic first 72 inch Lazy Ace

Fourth is second Lazy Ace fitted with a cradle to take up gliders
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Cool, thanks for the advice, folks. I really like the Sig Kadet senior - but I am wondering if it's difficult to build with ailerons...I'd definitely want to have them.
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It's not a problem to add ailerons to a Kadet. If you have someone that's an experienced builder at your club that can help you out, even better.
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I would highly recommend the Sig LT40 as your first build. It`s already got ailerons and if you follow the recommended beef-ups, it`s one tough bird.
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I would highly recommend the Sig LT40 as your first build. It`s already got ailerons and if you follow the recommended beef-ups, it`s one tough bird.

While I am a big fan of the Kadet Senior, I tend to agree with you.

If ailerons are desired, I feel that it would be best for a novice builder to construct a model that already has them in the design.

The LT-40 is an excellent trainer, too. The Kadet Senior could be built at a later date, when the builder has gained some experience.

Here's a pic of my aileron equipped Kadet Senior, also modiefied into a tail dragger.
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The telemaster has ailerons and flaps as well.
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I taught myself to fly with a Sig LT-40. There was no one in the area for help. It's very stable and forgiving. I had several take-offs and landings that first day with no damage to the plane or my ego.
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It's not hard to add barn door type ailerons to a model. You start with a properly built wing per the plans, then cut out the ailerons from it being sure to cut the straight and both the same. Then you cut 3/8 more away from the wing so you can add it back as a balsa trailing edge. Do the same to the aileron pieces (3/8 or 1/4 depending on their thickness and what it will take to make a nice bevel) and then cover and hinge. Anybody that can build a kit can add ailerons.

Of course, if you're going to do that it's helpful to reduce the dihedral to 1/2 of what it should be without ailerons. That's a but more involved, but not much more.
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Old 08-22-2017, 03:42 PM
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HMMMM buy a kit you have to bash to get what your after or buy one that has the ailerons and flaps designed into it??????????????
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It's not hard to add barn door type ailerons to a model. You start with a properly built wing per the plans, then cut out the ailerons from it being sure to cut the straight and both the same. Then you cut 3/8 more away from the wing so you can add it back as a balsa trailing edge. Do the same to the aileron pieces (3/8 or 1/4 depending on their thickness and what it will take to make a nice bevel) and then cover and hinge. Anybody that can build a kit can add ailerons.

Of course, if you're going to do that it's helpful to reduce the dihedral to 1/2 of what it should be without ailerons. That's a but more involved, but not much more.
All it takes is changing the angle of the inboard end rib on each wing half. Easy way to do that is to glue everything to the spars EXCEPT the inner rib and raise the outboard end up to where you want your dihedral to be. Then you mark the spars to show the angle, make an oversized rib, glue it in after slotting for the spars and sand the top to match the rest of the ribs. Will add maybe 30 minutes to the wing build, if that
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HMMMM buy a kit you have to bash to get what your after or buy one that has the ailerons and flaps designed into it??????????????
How is adding ailerons "kitbashing"? It's only making a few cuts in some of the ribs and adding two pieces of strip stock per wing. I'd think "kitbashing" would be more like changing a single nose mounted engine plane to a wing mounted twin engine configuration. Then again, since I've not built an R/C model "stock" since 1986, is it possible that I, just maybe, could be out of touch with reality?

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I don't feel that adding ailerons is suitable for a novice.

Yes. It's easy to do, but that's from the prospective of experienced builders.

Choosing a model with ailerons already in the design, may be in the best interest of the beginning builder.
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I don't feel that adding ailerons is suitable for a novice.

Yes. It's easy to do, but that's from the prospective of experienced builders.

Choosing a model with ailerons already in the design, may be in the best interest of the beginning builder.
That's why, back in post 7, I recommended having an experienced builder help. Not everyone is mechanically inclined
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You said in your first post that you have joined a RC club in your area. Most clubs have instructor pilots that will help make decisions and give sound advice on which plane to build. All the kits mentioned above will be good choices but some may be more user friendly if you are going to use an instructor with a trainer box. Just something to think about...
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Arf or build from a kit the link to the Telemaster page has all the options one would need. All different sizes mini, .40, 60 giant size, ARF or kit, float kits, wing kits, even a twin if your interested.

Again here is the link Telemasters
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