Tower Kaos 60
02-15-2011, 10:32 AM
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Tower Kaos 60
Hello guys. I just won a Tower Kaos 60 kit NIB off 3bay. Does anyone know any history on this kit? Is it a Super, Utter, Ultimate, etc... Anyone ever built and flown one? I'm thinking this may jump ahead of the Cutlass project I have.
02-15-2011, 10:44 AM
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They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
02-15-2011, 10:46 AM
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
ORIGINAL: Ilikebipes
They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
02-15-2011, 01:40 PM
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?
The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.
Brian
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02-15-2011, 01:46 PM
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
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Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
02-15-2011, 02:37 PM
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Well...
I believe it is primarily a Super Kaos. Of Course, Hobbico has the rights to name it whatever they want to.
If Bax sees this thread, he can explain this in better detail. I suspect Tower Hobbies modified the design from the original for a more stable aircraft for the masses by moving the horizontal aft of the original design.
Personally (I could be very wrong here), I think designing the rudder to be fully aft of the elevator creates a more responsive rudder. I am no engineer, but experience flying the Cap 232 created this "opinion" for me.
This answers the question. Tower did indeed change the design. This is disappointing because Joe Bridi was no idiot. He knew what he was doing- to be sure.
As far as how it will fly in comparasin- I have no clue. If you are not a stickler for maintaining the original line, then it will be no big issue at all. It will still fly very well. What would bother me is that it would never truly be a Bridi design.
Of course, one could change it to be correct to Joe's design if one wanted. Either way, I'm sure you will be happy with your Kaos.
No rip on your purchase though. I hope I do not come across as putting you down.
To elaborate why I think it is a Super Kaos:
Compare the wing design. It is different. Look at the vertical stab- Not a Ultimate, nor an Utter. Tower chose to keep the Kaos/SKaos canopy design, and a Kaos kit was produced- I thought it was under Great Planes though.
Brian
I believe it is primarily a Super Kaos. Of Course, Hobbico has the rights to name it whatever they want to.
If Bax sees this thread, he can explain this in better detail. I suspect Tower Hobbies modified the design from the original for a more stable aircraft for the masses by moving the horizontal aft of the original design.
Personally (I could be very wrong here), I think designing the rudder to be fully aft of the elevator creates a more responsive rudder. I am no engineer, but experience flying the Cap 232 created this "opinion" for me.
This answers the question. Tower did indeed change the design. This is disappointing because Joe Bridi was no idiot. He knew what he was doing- to be sure.
As far as how it will fly in comparasin- I have no clue. If you are not a stickler for maintaining the original line, then it will be no big issue at all. It will still fly very well. What would bother me is that it would never truly be a Bridi design.
Of course, one could change it to be correct to Joe's design if one wanted. Either way, I'm sure you will be happy with your Kaos.
No rip on your purchase though. I hope I do not come across as putting you down.
To elaborate why I think it is a Super Kaos:
Compare the wing design. It is different. Look at the vertical stab- Not a Ultimate, nor an Utter. Tower chose to keep the Kaos/SKaos canopy design, and a Kaos kit was produced- I thought it was under Great Planes though.
Brian
02-15-2011, 03:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: dave_anderson
Hello guys. I just won a Tower Kaos 60 kit NIB off 3bay. Does anyone know any history on this kit? Is it a Super, Utter, Ultimate, etc... Anyone ever built and flown one? I'm thinking this may jump ahead of the Cutlass project I have.
Hello guys. I just won a Tower Kaos 60 kit NIB off 3bay. Does anyone know any history on this kit? Is it a Super, Utter, Ultimate, etc... Anyone ever built and flown one? I'm thinking this may jump ahead of the Cutlass project I have.
I think it is mostly only a Kaos in name!
Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/user/supernov.../3/9Zkt6pXu0rk
02-15-2011, 07:55 PM
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
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It's actually an old Tower Kaos 60 kit. See pic.
ORIGINAL: alcarafa
Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
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02-16-2011, 05:07 AM
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Actually, the Tower Kaos 60 is newer than the Bridi or Great Planes offerings. The 40 is larger ( about 1/2 way in between the old Super Kaos 40 & 60). I would like to know the actual size of the Tower Kaos 60. The Original had 644 Sq. In. Area. I don't know if it shares the same airfoil or not. 8178 says they changed the 40 and he knows his stuff.
I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.
turbo
I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.
turbo
02-16-2011, 07:40 AM
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The original also had an open front end, not carved to meet the spinner ring.
The original also had an open front end, not carved to meet the spinner ring.
02-16-2011, 07:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: turbo.gst
Actually, the Tower Kaos 60 is newer than the Bridi or Great Planes offerings. The 40 is larger ( about 1/2 way in between the old Super Kaos 40 & 60). I would like to know the actual size of the Tower Kaos 60. The Original had 644 Sq. In. Area. I don't know if it shares the same airfoil or not. 8178 says they changed the 40 and he knows his stuff.
I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.
turbo
Actually, the Tower Kaos 60 is newer than the Bridi or Great Planes offerings. The 40 is larger ( about 1/2 way in between the old Super Kaos 40 & 60). I would like to know the actual size of the Tower Kaos 60. The Original had 644 Sq. In. Area. I don't know if it shares the same airfoil or not. 8178 says they changed the 40 and he knows his stuff.
I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.
turbo
02-16-2011, 08:56 AM
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The wing root is 18% and the tip is 17% so it not super thick but not thin either. For a comparison, the wing on my Cold Duck is 18% - 15% and as I recall I thought it was thin for its day. I’m thinking the original Kaos wing was much fatter.
02-16-2011, 01:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: alcarafa
Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
Wow! I fly my Kaos 40 ARF with a OS 55 and a 12x5, that's all I can handle.
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02-16-2011, 05:51 PM
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How cool is that; I never knew Tower made a 60 size Kaos. Would buy one if they brought it back...I know, the US is a better ship, got one of those too. the 40, 60 and the 1000 to be exact.
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I have a Super Kaos Build thread I am just starting (even though I am into page 3 with one picture of little progress [
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You are welcome to join in wherever/however you wish.
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I always wanted a Kaos...yippee!!
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
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The wing root is 18% and the tip is 17% so it not super thick but not thin either. For a comparison, the wing on my Cold Duck is 18% - 15% and as I recall I thought it was thin for its day. I’m thinking the original Kaos wing was much fatter.
The wing root is 18% and the tip is 17% so it not super thick but not thin either. For a comparison, the wing on my Cold Duck is 18% - 15% and as I recall I thought it was thin for its day. I’m thinking the original Kaos wing was much fatter.
I hope for some interesting results from the proto. Landings will be kept in check by keeping the loading down. A couple of other mods include the nose section and canopy shape/position.David.
02-21-2011, 09:23 AM
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RE: Tower Kaos 60
take a look at the cover of the box, if it is a yellow and brown Kaos with the nose cowl sanded down to match the spinner, it is a super kaos, if it has flat fuselage sides, then it is the standard Kaos. I owned the airplane on the box cover when it was sold in "Scratch and Dent" about 15 years ago. Wonderful airplane to look at, but since it was built for photos, it weighed about 9 pounds and flew like a brick. The kit can be built considerably lighter and flys like a dream
John
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