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    Tower Kaos 60

    Hello guys. I just won a Tower Kaos 60 kit NIB off 3bay. Does anyone know any history on this kit? Is it a Super, Utter, Ultimate, etc... Anyone ever built and flown one? I'm thinking this may jump ahead of the Cutlass project I have.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.

    I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?

    The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: Ilikebipes

    They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.

    I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?

    The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.

    Brian
    I will check when it gets here for sure. I always wanted a Kaos...yippee!!

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    I always wanted a Kaos...yippee!!
    I have a Super Kaos Build thread I am just starting (even though I am into page 3 with one picture of little progress [])

    You are welcome to join in wherever/however you wish.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
    I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
    Rafa.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    They kitted both. If it has a rear sub-fin, it is the Kaos. If not, it is a Super Kaos.

    I am curious, Where does your kit put the horizontal hinge line. Is it forward of the rudder, or aft?

    The arf puts it in the wrong place for the original. So I am curious if Great Planes did this to their kit versions as well.

    Brian
    I've got a NIB Tower Kaos kit and have the instruction book in hand. There isn't a sub fin and the hinge line is even with the rudder hinge line. No where on the plans or in the instruction book, does it say it's a Super Kaos. Can you elaborate why you think the Tower Kaos kit is a Super Kaos?

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: alcarafa

    Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
    I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
    It's actually an old Tower Kaos 60 kit. See pic.
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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    That's the same kit I have.........

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    Well...

    I believe it is primarily a Super Kaos. Of Course, Hobbico has the rights to name it whatever they want to.

    If Bax sees this thread, he can explain this in better detail. I suspect Tower Hobbies modified the design from the original for a more stable aircraft for the masses by moving the horizontal aft of the original design.

    Personally (I could be very wrong here), I think designing the rudder to be fully aft of the elevator creates a more responsive rudder. I am no engineer, but experience flying the Cap 232 created this "opinion" for me.

    This answers the question. Tower did indeed change the design. This is disappointing because Joe Bridi was no idiot. He knew what he was doing- to be sure.

    As far as how it will fly in comparasin- I have no clue. If you are not a stickler for maintaining the original line, then it will be no big issue at all. It will still fly very well. What would bother me is that it would never truly be a Bridi design.

    Of course, one could change it to be correct to Joe's design if one wanted. Either way, I'm sure you will be happy with your Kaos.

    No rip on your purchase though. I hope I do not come across as putting you down.


    To elaborate why I think it is a Super Kaos:

    Compare the wing design. It is different. Look at the vertical stab- Not a Ultimate, nor an Utter. Tower chose to keep the Kaos/SKaos canopy design, and a Kaos kit was produced- I thought it was under Great Planes though.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    ORIGINAL: dave_anderson

    Hello guys. I just won a Tower Kaos 60 kit NIB off 3bay. Does anyone know any history on this kit? Is it a Super, Utter, Ultimate, etc... Anyone ever built and flown one? I'm thinking this may jump ahead of the Cutlass project I have.
    I built one Tower Kaos 40 and have one more kit in the pipeline for a build. If you look at your Kaos 60 kit closely you will discover there are extra parts included that belong to the Ultra Sport kit. The Ultra Sport is basically the same airframe with a different canopy and the decking behind the canopy. Although I have not measured the wing ribs I think the airfoil is thinner than the Kaos because my 40 with a little old Irvine 53 for power is an absolute and totally ballistic rocket.

    I think it is mostly only a Kaos in name!

    Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/user/supernov.../3/9Zkt6pXu0rk



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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: dave_anderson


    ORIGINAL: alcarafa

    Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
    I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile
    It's actually an old Tower Kaos 60 kit. See pic.
    A very old one !!!!
    Rafa.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    Actually, the Tower Kaos 60 is newer than the Bridi or Great Planes offerings. The 40 is larger ( about 1/2 way in between the old Super Kaos 40 & 60). I would like to know the actual size of the Tower Kaos 60. The Original had 644 Sq. In. Area. I don't know if it shares the same airfoil or not. 8178 says they changed the 40 and he knows his stuff.

    I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    The original also had an open front end, not carved to meet the spinner ring.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: JeffH

    The original also had an open front end, not carved to meet the spinner ring.
    It is kind of odd how the nose is shown on the plans. It is closed in on the bottom, the sides are flat and the top is open without a nose ring piece. Of course, BUILDING your own aircraft you can easily fix up the front.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    Of course, BUILDING your own aircraft you can easily fix up the front.
    And the rear...
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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    ORIGINAL: turbo.gst

    Actually, the Tower Kaos 60 is newer than the Bridi or Great Planes offerings. The 40 is larger ( about 1/2 way in between the old Super Kaos 40 & 60). I would like to know the actual size of the Tower Kaos 60. The Original had 644 Sq. In. Area. I don't know if it shares the same airfoil or not. 8178 says they changed the 40 and he knows his stuff.

    I would appreciate any info you could offer on the Tower Kaos 60. The kit surface in the early to mid 1990's they dropped the 60 pretty quickly. The 40 is currently available as an ARF.

    turbo
    The wing looks thinner to me but the kit box has β€œthick wing” printed on it as a feature! The wing tip is 17% so it not super thick.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    The wing root is 18% and the tip is 17% so it not super thick but not thin either. For a comparison, the wing on my Cold Duck is 18% - 15% and as I recall I thought it was thin for its day. I’m thinking the original Kaos wing was much fatter.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: alcarafa

    Tower Kaos is designed to be used with a 46 size engine , but doubt it can handle a .60.
    I fly mine with OS-55 AX & APC 10/9 a real missile

    Wow! I fly my Kaos 40 ARF with a OS 55 and a 12x5, that's all I can handle.
    Chris...


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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    How cool is that; I never knew Tower made a 60 size Kaos. Would buy one if they brought it back...I know, the US is a better ship, got one of those too. the 40, 60 and the 1000 to be exact.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: Ilikebipes

    I always wanted a Kaos...yippee!!
    I have a Super Kaos Build thread I am just starting (even though I am into page 3 with one picture of little progress [])

    You are welcome to join in wherever/however you wish.

    Brian
    The manual says it's an updated kit of the Super Kaos. External lines the same, but the guts are "updated." The manual is copyright 1996.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60


    ORIGINAL: 8178

    The wing root is 18% and the tip is 17% so it not super thick but not thin either. For a comparison, the wing on my Cold Duck is 18% - 15% and as I recall I thought it was thin for its day. I’m thinking the original Kaos wing was much fatter.
    The original Kaos had a 21% wing root - massively thick. I based my Kaos 30 plans on the original but took the airfoil to just under an 80% thickness - 16.5% I hope for some interesting results from the proto. Landings will be kept in check by keeping the loading down. A couple of other mods include the nose section and canopy shape/position.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    SPA contest here at the end of April. Wonder if I could get it ready and trimmed to at least have some fun.

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    RE: Tower Kaos 60

    take a look at the cover of the box, if it is a yellow and brown Kaos with the nose cowl sanded down to match the spinner, it is a super kaos, if it has flat fuselage sides, then it is the standard Kaos.Β* I owned the airplane on the box cover when it was sold in "Scratch and Dent" about 15 years ago.Β* Wonderful airplane to look at, but since it was built for photos, it weighed about 9 pounds and flew like a brick.Β* The kit can be built considerably lighter and flys like a dream

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