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If you had to choose which 3 would it be
01-21-2012, 07:47 PM
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It was Similiar to the EU1 But not as jet looking IMO. I was really surprised today when Bill asked what else other then the Curare. I love the Arrows myself and Bill mentioned the rest. Anyway we need 3 PLanes and then also to figure out a price that everyone can live with. Lets start with the basic kit.
Basic Includes
1. Fiberglass Fuse
2 Foam Cores- Wing, Stab, and Rudder
3. Intruction Manual
4. Premarked Plywood kit
I know this is the very least a kit will come with so I figure its a good place to start . I will through out the first number. $125.00
Basic Includes
1. Fiberglass Fuse
2 Foam Cores- Wing, Stab, and Rudder
3. Intruction Manual
4. Premarked Plywood kit
I know this is the very least a kit will come with so I figure its a good place to start . I will through out the first number. $125.00
01-21-2012, 09:50 PM
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It was Similiar to the EU1 But not as jet looking IMO. I was really surprised today when Bill asked what else other then the Curare. I love the Arrows myself and Bill mentioned the rest. Anyway we need 3 PLanes and then also to figure out a price that everyone can live with. Lets start with the basic kit.
Basic Includes
1. Fiberglass Fuse
2 Foam Cores- Wing, Stab, and Rudder
3. Intruction Manual
4. Premarked Plywood kit
I know this is the very least a kit will come with so I figure its a good place to start . I will through out the first number. $125.00
It was Similiar to the EU1 But not as jet looking IMO. I was really surprised today when Bill asked what else other then the Curare. I love the Arrows myself and Bill mentioned the rest. Anyway we need 3 PLanes and then also to figure out a price that everyone can live with. Lets start with the basic kit.
Basic Includes
1. Fiberglass Fuse
2 Foam Cores- Wing, Stab, and Rudder
3. Intruction Manual
4. Premarked Plywood kit
I know this is the very least a kit will come with so I figure its a good place to start . I will through out the first number. $125.00
I know if the prices started at $125.00, you would sell more than you could manufacture. I know I would be interested in several.
Frank
01-21-2012, 10:11 PM
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RE: If you had to choose which 3 would it be
Chip,
Good to see your interest in Classic Pattern. Any chance you could come out to Robert's So Cal Classic Pattern get-together in Camarillo on May 19th? Tony F. was there last year along a few other names you might remember from your 1980's pattern barnstorming out here in So Cal.
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01-22-2012, 02:57 AM
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Hi,
What's really missing among classic pattern planes in the seize isthe plane Hanno Prettner flew at his last WC where he won with Mystic 60. I know there wasMystic 90 (and 30) ARF but not the dimensions the Mystic 60 had. If You are going to produce an old classic pattern plane that is known to have top of the line flight characteristics Mystic 60would be my first choice. Not that complicated to do and should also work nice as electric that probably some would prefer. And OS Hanno Special is still reasonable easy to get second hand and even new at various auction sites. Mystic 60 kind of ended classic pattern 2-stroke era so the plane would represent many things: Prettner design, 2-stroke, last2-stroke plane that won WC, taildragger (easier design), retracts (or without). So it would fill a gap to have a replica basic kit of Myctis 60. $125 for a basic kit is very cheap so no problem with that I think.
Arrow is nice also of course.
1993 WC and Mystic 60 etc: http://www.algonet.se/~boem/ClassicPattern/Prettner/Mystic60/RCM-E_January1994_F3A_WC_1993.pdf
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What's really missing among classic pattern planes in the seize isthe plane Hanno Prettner flew at his last WC where he won with Mystic 60. I know there wasMystic 90 (and 30) ARF but not the dimensions the Mystic 60 had. If You are going to produce an old classic pattern plane that is known to have top of the line flight characteristics Mystic 60would be my first choice. Not that complicated to do and should also work nice as electric that probably some would prefer. And OS Hanno Special is still reasonable easy to get second hand and even new at various auction sites. Mystic 60 kind of ended classic pattern 2-stroke era so the plane would represent many things: Prettner design, 2-stroke, last2-stroke plane that won WC, taildragger (easier design), retracts (or without). So it would fill a gap to have a replica basic kit of Myctis 60. $125 for a basic kit is very cheap so no problem with that I think.
Arrow is nice also of course.
1993 WC and Mystic 60 etc: http://www.algonet.se/~boem/ClassicPattern/Prettner/Mystic60/RCM-E_January1994_F3A_WC_1993.pdf
/Bo
01-22-2012, 07:36 AM
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RE: If you had to choose which 3 would it be
Bo,
Thanks for the excellent article! I'm glad to hear that there are other M60 fans out there besides Greg and myself.
As the defending champion, I'm sure that Chip remembers the Mystic quite well. After holding in third place during the prelims, it seems that Hanno held the best for last.
Personally I think that honouring Hanno with a glass/foam design would be tremendous and since the Curare has been done in various forms already (including a Hanno approved Austrian developed ARF) and the Magic didn't fall in many pilots graces, the Mystic would be a great candidate.
But then again, so would the Arrow as well as the Dr Jeckyll...[8D]
Maybe the Mystic, Jeckyll, Rubin trio...
David
PS That is a great shot of the underside of the M60; it shows that he used his "quadrifoglio" sponsor logo for trim! At least, I've always assumed that was a sponsor but perhaps it is a personal designers logo.
Thanks for the excellent article! I'm glad to hear that there are other M60 fans out there besides Greg and myself.
As the defending champion, I'm sure that Chip remembers the Mystic quite well. After holding in third place during the prelims, it seems that Hanno held the best for last.
Personally I think that honouring Hanno with a glass/foam design would be tremendous and since the Curare has been done in various forms already (including a Hanno approved Austrian developed ARF) and the Magic didn't fall in many pilots graces, the Mystic would be a great candidate.
But then again, so would the Arrow as well as the Dr Jeckyll...[8D]
Maybe the Mystic, Jeckyll, Rubin trio...
David
PS That is a great shot of the underside of the M60; it shows that he used his "quadrifoglio" sponsor logo for trim! At least, I've always assumed that was a sponsor but perhaps it is a personal designers logo.
01-22-2012, 08:01 AM
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RE: If you had to choose which 3 would it be
I would like to change my "third" vote from the Magic to the Thunderbird! With both Chip and Dean lamenting the way the Magic flew I need to change to:
1 - Thunderbird
2 - Arrow
3 - Curare
Keep up the good work and interest in classic pattern, Chip.
Thanks,
Gene
1 - Thunderbird
2 - Arrow
3 - Curare
Keep up the good work and interest in classic pattern, Chip.
Thanks,
Gene
01-22-2012, 08:13 AM
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RE: If you had to choose which 3 would it be
Something which presents some difficulty with the Magic is the lack of readily available "S" shaped headers.
A glass Mystic could be designed with plug-in wing and stab, a molded canopy area into the glass fuse and a glass cowl chin/belly pan combo. Much like the Aurora or Bettle designs. This would eliminate the need for separate canopies, cowls and wing pans. Access to the radio and engine would be from the underside and the pipe could remain integral to the model with the plug in wings.
Nothing like some folks voting for a model not on the list, eh?
I'm wondering if Chip could infer the length of the Mystic 60 fuse from its known span? If memory serves, Chip did very well with a Mystic 30 in a local event much to the displeasure of other competitors...
David
A glass Mystic could be designed with plug-in wing and stab, a molded canopy area into the glass fuse and a glass cowl chin/belly pan combo. Much like the Aurora or Bettle designs. This would eliminate the need for separate canopies, cowls and wing pans. Access to the radio and engine would be from the underside and the pipe could remain integral to the model with the plug in wings.
Nothing like some folks voting for a model not on the list, eh?
I'm wondering if Chip could infer the length of the Mystic 60 fuse from its known span? If memory serves, Chip did very well with a Mystic 30 in a local event much to the displeasure of other competitors...
David
01-22-2012, 09:32 AM
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Thanks for the pic Paul.
Well, based on that ad, $125 for a basic glass/foam kit today would be an excellent value. $25 inflation sounds pretty good after 30 years.
At that price, I'd have to agree they would sell like pan cakes!
Chip, is the poll for these particular models due to availability of molds or plugs?
David
Well, based on that ad, $125 for a basic glass/foam kit today would be an excellent value. $25 inflation sounds pretty good after 30 years.
At that price, I'd have to agree they would sell like pan cakes!
Chip, is the poll for these particular models due to availability of molds or plugs?
David
01-22-2012, 11:07 AM
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RE: If you had to choose which 3 would it be
Without a doubt the Curare - When I think "classic pattern", the only thing I can think of is this model.
As far as I can tell, it was probably the highest regarded pattern plane of the era - Prettner might have had something to do with it too !
Graeme
01-22-2012, 03:52 PM
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Thanks for the pic Paul.
Well, based on that ad, $125 for a basic glass/foam kit today would be an excellent value. $25 inflation sounds pretty good after 30 years.
At that price, I'd have to agree they would sell like pan cakes!
Chip, is the poll for these particular models due to availability of molds or plugs?
David
Thanks for the pic Paul.
Well, based on that ad, $125 for a basic glass/foam kit today would be an excellent value. $25 inflation sounds pretty good after 30 years.
At that price, I'd have to agree they would sell like pan cakes!
Chip, is the poll for these particular models due to availability of molds or plugs?
David
As far as the kit price I was just guessing but it will take actually making the first one this week to know exactley how much it will be.
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01-22-2012, 07:48 PM
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Yes that is correct Hobby Barn has the rights to these models. Bill told me that they had to pay Hanno for every plane they made. He then went on to say over its ten year life span, they made approx 5000 Curares. That is a huge number but back then sport flyers all had a pattern plane as well.
As far as the kit price I was just guessing but it will take actually making the first one this week to know exactley how much it will be.
C
Yes that is correct Hobby Barn has the rights to these models. Bill told me that they had to pay Hanno for every plane they made. He then went on to say over its ten year life span, they made approx 5000 Curares. That is a huge number but back then sport flyers all had a pattern plane as well.
As far as the kit price I was just guessing but it will take actually making the first one this week to know exactley how much it will be.
C
That's a very interesting back story. So presumably both Hanno and Wolfgang would continue to receive royalties from new runs of HB molds or wasn't it a life long commitment? (man, smart phones can be obtuse in their "spell checking")
That aside, as far as the re-production of these classics go, with the exception of the Curare and, to some extent, the Magic (a fuse top deck is available), there really isn't a source for these models to be built or flown other than some availability of plans. Because of this, my vote would go to a new production run of the rarer Thunderbird, Super Curare and, mostly, the Arrow. Not much has been done toward the preservation of Matt's classic designs - as far as I know...
At an attractive price, a glass Arrow would be very hard to pass up.
Question: did anyone else have rights to Matt's Arrow - for example, Quality Line kits out of Tucson, AZ? What about copies such as the Arcomaster (second picture)? Any memories Chip?
Some related images for the thread...
David
01-22-2012, 10:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: doxilia
Well,
That's a very interesting back story. So presumably both Hanno and Wolfgang would continue to receive royalties from new runs of HB molds or wasn't it a life long commitment? (man, smart phones can be obtuse in their ''spell checking'')
That aside, as far as the re-production of these classics go, with the exception of the Curare and, to some extent, the Magic (a fuse top deck is available), there really isn't a source for these models to be built or flown other than some availability of plans. Because of this, my vote would go to a new production run of the rarer Thunderbird, Super Curare and, mostly, the Arrow. Not much has been done toward the preservation of Matt's classic designs - as far as I know...
At an attractive price, a glass Arrow would be very hard to pass up.
Question: did anyone else have rights to Matt's Arrow - for example, Quality Line kits out of Tucson, AZ? What about copies such as the Arcomaster (second picture)? Any memories Chip?
Some related images for the thread...
David
ORIGINAL: Passport1
Yes that is correct Hobby Barn has the rights to these models. Bill told me that they had to pay Hanno for every plane they made. He then went on to say over its ten year life span, they made approx 5000 Curares. That is a huge number but back then sport flyers all had a pattern plane as well.
As far as the kit price I was just guessing but it will take actually making the first one this week to know exactley how much it will be.
C
Yes that is correct Hobby Barn has the rights to these models. Bill told me that they had to pay Hanno for every plane they made. He then went on to say over its ten year life span, they made approx 5000 Curares. That is a huge number but back then sport flyers all had a pattern plane as well.
As far as the kit price I was just guessing but it will take actually making the first one this week to know exactley how much it will be.
C
That's a very interesting back story. So presumably both Hanno and Wolfgang would continue to receive royalties from new runs of HB molds or wasn't it a life long commitment? (man, smart phones can be obtuse in their ''spell checking'')
That aside, as far as the re-production of these classics go, with the exception of the Curare and, to some extent, the Magic (a fuse top deck is available), there really isn't a source for these models to be built or flown other than some availability of plans. Because of this, my vote would go to a new production run of the rarer Thunderbird, Super Curare and, mostly, the Arrow. Not much has been done toward the preservation of Matt's classic designs - as far as I know...
At an attractive price, a glass Arrow would be very hard to pass up.
Question: did anyone else have rights to Matt's Arrow - for example, Quality Line kits out of Tucson, AZ? What about copies such as the Arcomaster (second picture)? Any memories Chip?
Some related images for the thread...
David
As for Wolfgang we were just talking about this in Columbia and he said he only wanted airplanes. As long as he didn't have to build he was happy.
I never saw a Magic fly very well but it was a cool setup with the inverted engine made possible with an s header. Don't worry about not being able to get headers I saw a whole box of new ones at the barn. The Thunderbird came in at the end of an era (82 or 83) I believe and I only have seen one fly a few times. I think it would be a pretty good flying plane espesially with todays equipment.
Anyhow I will be stopping at the barn tomorrow and try to snap a few pics to post.
C
01-23-2012, 04:43 PM
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Pics from today and the kits will be $160.00 Please keep in mind these fuses are 25 years old the new ones won't be yellow. Curare, Arrow, Super Curare, Thunderbird and Joker are shown. I am leaving for Yuma right now but I will add more later on.
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01-23-2012, 08:20 PM
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Excellent news Chip! Will there be a set of plywood for what's needed in each kit?
That Arrow sure looks nice...
Looking forward to further pics.
David.
That Arrow sure looks nice...
Looking forward to further pics.
David.
01-23-2012, 08:57 PM
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Arrow, nice looking Classic.
So, In Chip's pictures, on the left is from the top I'm guessing, Super Curare, Arrow, Thunderbird and a Spitfire? The picture on the right is a Curare?
Chris...
So, In Chip's pictures, on the left is from the top I'm guessing, Super Curare, Arrow, Thunderbird and a Spitfire? The picture on the right is a Curare?
Chris...
01-23-2012, 09:01 PM
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Dang straight Chris! 
The Arrow is like a Deception on steroids - massive and mean...[8D]
Here's a very nice rendition of one - cool paint scheme too! It just needs a RE Webra and a pipe...
David.
The Arrow is like a Deception on steroids - massive and mean...[8D]
Here's a very nice rendition of one - cool paint scheme too! It just needs a RE Webra and a pipe...
David.