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Old 05-02-2012, 07:00 PM
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Concerning the GP Dirty Birdy Arf, where the heck can a "lazy non builder" like myself get one?? Tower said they had a few and BOOM, they were gone!! Any of you chaps that hve aquired one, are they worth it?? Quality, materials, "lightness", etc. Thank-You...
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Concerning the GP Dirty Birdy Arf, where the heck can a "lazy non builder" like myself get one?? Tower said they had a few and BOOM, they were gone!! Any of you chaps that hve aquired one, are they worth it?? Quality, materials, "lightness", etc. Thank-You...
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Mine arrived this past Monday. In comparison to the P-7 ARF I got last year the GP Dirty Birdy is hands down better all around (that is MYOPINIONONLY, and YMMV). Very few wrinkles, mostly on the bottom surfaces and no biggie at all. My only gripe is the ailerons are warped, although the inboard TE and the wing tip TE do appear to be lined up correctly (and this seems to be common withARFs, again IMO). So I'll need to straighten the aileron TEs and that's it. I got mine with the $30.00 off coupon and no shipping so it was VERY WELL worth it.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:41 AM
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Any of you chaps that hve aquired one, are they worth it??
I'll bet you love it, I sure do.
For instance the formers in the fiberglass fuselage are installed beautifully, I don't know what the glue is but it's not hot glue stuff. I think it's epoxy or some fiber resin formula, really nice beads where it needs to be really tough.
The covering job is better than my best job ever, just a little taughtening Even the horizontal stab is as usual and what you'd even have if the great Faye Stilley did the job .
Even the horizontal stab is though built up instead of the foam core on the wing it is also sheeted beautifully.
There is nothing wrong with the stock clevises,etc. too.
I think it's worth the money and then some. Doug
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:46 AM
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Agree with the comments, I was mightily impressed with the covering of the wing tips and the paint finish on the fuselage is fantastic. A few wrinkles but it has travelled a long way and nothing a few minutes with the iron will not sort out. Must check the aileron alignment properly, did a quick check and did not appear to be far out, what sort of "mis-alignment / warp" are people finding ?
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:45 AM
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Anxious to get mine tomorrow and see what everyone is talking about! Jon
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:40 AM
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Did anybody tried to fit the eflite 60-120 electric retracts? do they fit???????
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:49 AM
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Did anybody tried to fit the eflite 60-120 electric retracts? do they fit???????
I'll check tonight for you.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:59 AM
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I can also check as I have a set that died in my P7 and are currently on my bench. [:@] I got the recommended Hobbico mechanicals and they're a drop in fit. Gonna start installing them tonight.

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Agree with the comments, I was mightily impressed with the covering of the wing tips and the paint finish on the fuselage is fantastic. A few wrinkles but it has travelled a long way and nothing a few minutes with the iron will not sort out. Must check the aileron alignment properly, did a quick check and did not appear to be far out, what sort of "mis-alignment / warp" are people finding ?
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Warped might be the wrong term to have used. By warped I'm implying that the ailerons are not straight along the trailing edge, but rather bowed.We takemuch time to assure that we build/assemble a straight and true airframe/airplane so I'm just saying those should be straight (correct) also. However, it is minor to other issues I've had with ARFs and in particular it is minor in comparison to the overall quality of this ARF.
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I fitted my cowl today. I painted the screw heads and washers with white paint and I think it really helps maintain a streamlined look.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:09 PM
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I know this won't be the easiest to check, but can someone see if these dims would 'fit' in the DB? Thank you.

Testing next week in a 'local' P7... actually Don Lowe's P7 lol. He told me to take care of it... I told him just like I did whenever he let me fly it before

* The nose gear will also be available with the plate 'on top' like the main gear, which I believe is how the DB is.
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Jason,

I take it those are the E-Flite 60-120 gear? If so, do you have that file as a PDF rather than a JPG? If you, I'd be grateful if you could post that file.

I'll be glad to help with measurements in anything CAD related but unfortunately I don't have an ARF to check those in. What I can do is scale them so they are properly dimensioned and they can be printed and cutout for a dummy test fit.

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David,

Actually they are our, Shulman Aviation, new 60-120 E-Tracts. We only have 3 set's here so I want to test a set before any get shipped out. I didn't save it as a PDF and of course, no CAD on this computer.
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Jason,

7-1/4 oz - nice! Are the trunnions fit for 5 mm struts? Maybe 4 mm on the nose? Will you also have the metric axles?

I sent you a PM.

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Old 05-03-2012, 02:05 PM
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5mm struts all around, axles will be 4mm we think.
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Someone asked if the Eflite 60-120 retracts would fit in the DB. Well, the answer is yes and no. The mains fit fine, the channel is deep enough for the unit to fit. Where the retracts mount is a little large, you'll need to slide the retract towards the root of the wing so the coil is away from the mount rails. You will also need to make a couple of vertical grooves for the pivot pin that's held in place by the c-clips as the channel is just a little too narrow. I think the mains are doable.

The nose gear is a different story. It fits fine and drops right in, the molded-in channel in the center of the bay is perfect for the wiring. The problem is the overall height of the unit, it's fairly tall and protrudes out the bottom of the fuse by a 1/4". That means the wheel will not be fully enclosed in the well. If you're OK with it hanging in the breeze, it'll work fine. See pics.

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My D.B. is here!!!! Now for the build!!!
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There is an easy fix for those of us wanting a 16oz tank.

Order the Sullivan S414 16oz cylindrical tank - not the round one that Tower sells. Pop out the tank formers, (mine popped right out with no effort) wrap the tank in 1/4" foam and slide it in place. It fits like a glove.
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Also, how about the Tettra tank from Central Hobbies - TET4061 400cc 14oz 58x54x178 would that work ?

(http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/fueltnk2.html)
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Has anybody weighed their RTF Dirty Bird yet? That' s complete with retracts.

Why are you guys using electric types? Is there no room to install mechanicals?

Although the E-Flite and JasonShu retracts look nice enough, they appear heavy. Nearly a half pound for actuators alone, plus weight of struts and wheels, is around 3/4 lb. no? Seems quite a bit heavy to me....
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Jeff,

That's the ticket!! Thanks for the info, I'm gonna order one today.

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Also, how about the Tettra tank from Central Hobbies - TET4061 400cc 14oz 58x54x178 would that work ?

(http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/fueltnk2.html)
Based on what appears to be the maximum 2.5" dimension sideways and height wise, it should. At 58 mm it is ~2.28" wide and 7" long so it should fit nicely.

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Thats good. I only know because the standard MK tank in my Beetle is 12 OZ and I am replacing it in a very defined area with the Tetra and it fits and I'll take the extra 2 ounces. Also great tank for my YS's to boot.

If you want the Sullivan above, I had to order mine from Alex at Sullivan directly. 100 in stock minus two now -

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Photos of the Sullivan S414 16oz Cylindrical tank install.

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Also, how about the Tettra tank from Central Hobbies - TET4061 400cc 14oz 58x54x178 would that work ?

(http://www.centralhobbies.com/Fuel/fueltnk2.html)
Based on what appears to be the maximum 2.5'' maximum dimension sideways and height wise, it should. At 58 mm it is ~2.28'' wide and 7'' long so it should fit nicely.

David
Be carefull with those dimensions posted on the CH website. Some are not actual. Call them and ask to verify the dimensions before ordering. I ran into a problem trying to fit 16oz in my Sun Fly 5.
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