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Old 11-17-2006, 01:44 PM
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Hello,

There have been a few threads with some smaller pattern ships lately. The SPA list mentions sizing down some of the classics. Does anyone have any favorites. I flew a Bridi Sun-Fli 4-20 with a OS 25Fabc. I know of the Flea -Fli, New Era, Tweedy Bird, Dash 25 and Supra Fly 25. I know MK kitted several others. Seeing the threads just got me to thinking about some of them.

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I just got a new Norvel .074 last weekend and I was thinking about a little Brushfire. I know some here probably cringe at me changing classic designs, but I have to have fun. This has a 37.25" span and a carved foam fuse top.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:20 PM
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I just got a new Norvel .074 last weekend and I was thinking about a little Brushfire. I know some here probably cringe at me changing classic designs, but I have to have fun. This has a 37.25" span and a carved foam fuse top.
David,

That looks great! Make one for an OS15 and I will build it... I have had a lot of fun with small planes, you will try stuff with them that you would never think of with bigger stuff.

I have a partially built baby pattern ship from Gus Ozols, the designer of the Boxer series of planes. I can't remember what it is called at the moment (old timer's setting in??). I have a ST19 waiting for it when I get that far down the pile. Should be lots of fun.


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Mark, I can scale it up a few inches, say, 40" maybe? The span on this plane is deceiving because of the almost delta shape and the huge fuselage. PM me your address for a copy, and specify the span you want.
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David,

E-mail sent to you.


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Old 11-17-2006, 05:17 PM
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Back in my USAF days the 25 size were the only ones that fit my budget

Had all of these at one time or another: Sun Fli 4-20, Supra Fli (had 2 from the kit & 1 arf), Mattlas 20, Curare 20, Aurora 25, Joker 25 and Dash 25. The Joker flew the best, but it also had an OS 32 & the small MK retracts. One of the Supra Fli's also had a 32 & retracts. The others used the OS 28F.

They were all a lot of fun, maybe one day I'll pick up another MK kit put one together just for kicks
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I am currently building a Gator Flea, it's a .40-sized Compensator. Since the Compensator is on the list of acceptable models, I assume it's acceptable.
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One of the small pattern aircraft kits I have stowed away to build. I’m thinking one of my OS 50 SXs with a pipe would be a good power plant.
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:28 PM
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I think you would have to create a new class for that 8178. You would make the BPA stuff look slow....
Old 11-17-2006, 06:40 PM
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I think you should strap one of those turbines to the tail. LOL
Old 11-17-2006, 07:35 PM
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Dave;

Do you happen to have the Miss Norway in your collection? If so I would be willing to pay to have a reduced plan for electric outrunner in the 450 to 480 class. I've seen a couple of these sell on Ebay in the last few months, bid short on both!

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Old 11-17-2006, 07:45 PM
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Jon, I wish I did have the Miss Norway. It appeared in RCM in something called the FTC II of 1974. I assume an FTC was some sort of special edition issue. Anyone here have a copy of that issue?
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I have a Miss Norway kit in the box, which at some stage I'm going to make a start on duplicating and building. Do a search here for another thread where I've posted some pictures of the plan.
Old 11-18-2006, 12:37 AM
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The RCM FTC II is Flight Training course vol. 2. I am trying to remember who had one. I made copies of the manuever descriptions many years ago. It was a great start for the novice/ sportsman pattern schedules. Give me a little time to see if I can locate it.

There was a pretty detailed build documented for the Miss Norway. I have wanted a Miss Norway ever since. I never knew it was kitted.

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Turbo,

Would love to see the build details if you can find them.

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Default RE: Smaller pattern ships question?

Well, after some real serious searching, I found my Miss Norway plan from RCModeler. Wing span 57" length 54 1/4" wing area 610 sqin. I wonder if I could get these reduced at one of the copy shops?? Its a one page plan but a scratch build as there are no instructions. If anyone finds that build article I would gladly buy a copy of it!

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Old 11-18-2006, 10:29 PM
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Default RE: Smaller pattern ships question?

I have the Miss Norway article scanned from FTCII.

If anyone wishes to have a copy, PM me before the end of the weekend (Nov 19 CONUS) with your email address and I will send it back to you in .DOC form. The entire file is over 5M, so if you can't take that, let me know and I will send pages individually.
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Ron;

Thank you very much for the construction article!! If I can ever help you just let me know.

Jon
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Default RE: Smaller pattern ships question?

Thanks for the file, grotto2. I've done a little work on the plan. I just need to re-draw the firewall pattern and the gaps in the fuselage views. Enlarged to the correct size, it will be totally usable.
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Dave;

Are you thinking of putting the Norvel in the Miss Norway? Or increase to the full size plan?

Jon
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Jon, I enlarged it to full size. But, I was thinking it might be cool to scale it down just a little for one of the new light weight .55s.
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I'm thinking 30 to 35 inch wing and drop an outrunner in the nose and try it electric.
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Sorry about the less-than-perfect scan. It's a rather thick book and I didn't want to destroy it.

-Ron
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Ron,

Many thanks again for the article scan. Just what I need to get cracking on it. As a point of interest, the scanned plans have a few details that the kit plans do not have; wing templates and canopy mould details, for instance.

It was good to see some info about possible engines to use. OS H60 as used in the article or a Webra Blackhead as shown on the plans. Both of these are fairly modest in the power department meaning a K&B61 should be a good bet too. A ST PDP Bluehead or an HB61 PDP would be fantastic. Why am I mentioning these engines in particular, well that's now my dilemma !!

Any of the modern 46 - 53 sized engines would easily be powerful enough and the new 55's would be be top notch too.

DerFly.
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ORIGINAL: turbo.gst

I think you would have to create a new class for that 8178. You would make the BPA stuff look slow....

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My Peppermint Pattie (42" span Banshee look alike) powered by an HB.15 used to easily pass the piped/retract equipped full size pattern ships of the early Eighties. The only problem with this PP rendition was keeping it in sight.

The PP did the most mind blowing Lomcevaks I have ever seen. It did them so violently that you could actually hear them.


Ed Cregger


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