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Old 05-29-2010, 11:03 PM
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Scoop...Hangar 9 Phoenix 7 debuts with BPA Masters/BPA Advanced Victories!

The Hangar 9 Phoenix 7 made its' competition debut at the Chicago Classic Pattern Championships by winning 1st place in BPA Masters flown by Mike McConville and also won BPA Advanced flown by Tim Redelman.

The models was one of the original maufacturing prototypes and was powered by the Evolution .61 short stroke engine with Mac's pipe/header and APC 11 x 7. Outstanding performance...see your hobby dealer.

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Thanks for update's Rusty.

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Scoop...Hangar 9 Phoenix 7!

Mike Hilderbrandt brought another of the Phoenix 7 production prototypes. Mike's is powered by a Webra Black Head, Mac's pipe/header...pulls the model well but nothing like the Evolution short stroke.

Notice that Mike also painted the canopy silver and added a colorful AMA number.

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Rusty - What's the word on the P-7 delivery, number of unit's on first batch, and the part's situation. I see on the site, they are showing the fuselage as a separate purchase. I heard August ?

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Is that the old cross flow Webra, or modern Schnuerle ported version? I have a STS ported Supertitre Blue Head, would that be about right? It is only slightly less power than the HP Gold Cup.
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As of today, P7 availability is early Aug. Number of units on the first batch.........should be enough
Will be full parts support as with all Hangar 9 models.

Engine in Mike Hilderbrandts is the OLD cross flow Webra.
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the evo 60 mike was using with an 11x7 apc on the pipe tached at 13800 on the ground and had to be turning 14+++ in the air. Putting an old vintage motor on the p-7 sounds cool but the evo 60 is new and has parts available and is cheaper than those sought after cool vintage motors. the smart money is on the new motor in my mind. The set up mike was flying is as fast or faster ? than my Hanno powered p-8. Just some food for thought when your contemplating your future p-7...


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Hmmmm.... I get 13,800 on the same prop with my O.S. .55 AX using a Mac's quiet pipe. Seems as there are several viable options in the modern engine department.

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Mike what is the part number for the engine and pipe?
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Ron, Just put the order in myself. Part numbers are as follows. Evolution 60 is EVO0600 the macs pipe is MAC1250 and the header is MAC2591. You'll also need the 8-32 pressure fitting and its number is MAC9021 and APC 11070 is the 11x7 prop.

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Thanks Tim I will get my order in.
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I got 14,000 from a HP Gold Cup .60 and venturi muffler. Pretty sure the Webra's got pretty much the same.
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Those numbers of Mike's can't be right. I have been playing with my Evo 60 w/ Evo1 Jett muffler and have been getting numbers of 14800 with an 11x7 and 15600 with a 10x7. I would think that a tuned pipe would run stronger than the tuned muffler.

The engine/muffler got a few positive comments from the last SPA meet I attended.

I put a Phoenix 7 on pre-order at the LHS as soon as they popped up on the website. August will be a long wait.
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I tached it those are the numbers i saw cant speak to the thing being tweaked to the max lean setting or the pipe being at the exact lenght it needs to get the absolute performance. As for the other vintage engines I was mearly pointing out that its a new motor and wont cost you the prices of the vintage engines. and you can get parts readly instead of having to scrounge around a pay large prices for the old parts as many of us have had to do lately.


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Yes, I can get better numbers with plain mufflers from other engines. Either he got those numbers with a bigger prop, or they were misquoted. I got about 13,800 from and old ST STS ported Blue Head and standard muffler.
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Is that on an APC 11 x 7?

Admittidly, to me the number seemed low for the performance the model has. It has BIG power and speed. I remember in the day getting mid to upper 14K rpm out of my OS 61 but that was turning a Rev-up 11 x 7-1/2 which were normally under pitched.

Watching my P7 vs. Mark's P8 (OS 61 FSR/Rossi pipe) I'd say they are very close in speed and power.
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Is that on an APC 11 x 7?
It was just a few years ago, so it may have been. Or a wood MA. Sure not a Rev Up. But with a Semco muffler so proably a bit more RPM than with a modern OS muffler, but less than with a tuned muffler.
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I haven't had the time to look it up, as my wireless cable has been very slow of late...but...
The Sienior pattern comp. doen't allow tuned pipes?
The Classic pattern comp. does?
Or is there something I am missing..??
Perhaps I am thinking about the no pump/supercharging rule in SPA?
Or the no tuned pipe for the Sundowner class in giant scale aircraft racing association...(I think that is what the initials stood for )
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I'll take a wood paneled 1971 Chevrolet wagon with the clam shell rear door.

Vince
Yeah, actually, I would too, being a hardcore GM fan. My grandfather had a huge white 1973 Impala clamshell wagon, smallblock 400- still wish I took it off his hands when he was offering. Would've been a heck of a plane hauler for sure. I referenced the Squire in the scenario since they were more iconic- hence more familiar to everyone than the GM Estate wagons of the day. I'm half tempted to pick up a clamshell if I run across a good deal. Anyone know what equipment I'd need to replicate an early 1970's era field box to set on the tailgate? Already have an old Kraft Gold box- gotta go for the whole effect ya know.
What could be more American than that, a GM clamshell wagon, Kraft radio and an American designed Phoenix 7 that was hand crafted by the Horizon Hobbies’ craftsmen out on Fieldstone Road in Champaign, IL USA. It would be interesting to see some pictures of the Phoenix 7s being built.


Huh???
This isn't made in the USA!...
CHINA>... and the NEW "China" INDIA, and some in Vietnam, are where these planes are produced....

I took out my "WESTERN" skining knife that I have from when I was 10years old....it says "made in BOulder Colorado USA"
I wonder if they are still made there? I will have to see if they are still in business...

That knife new today would probly cost around 140-200$ if still made here!!
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looked it up...
Westen knives went out of business in 2007!...
the USED knifes are selling for over 170$....

I think I will keep this one!...
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I think that it was a good move by h9 to build this plane.
Sometimes simplicity is very good.
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Using the Macs pipe with the Evo 60 what length should the header be cut to? Also, how much performance difference is there between full tuned pipe/header and tuned muffler?
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Do you mean STOCK muffler vrs header/pipe combo?
Answer: Depends what you want out of the setup:
600 RPM's is on the low side, with good lowend.
1000 RPM Increase can be seen but with low end suffering...
THis isn't as noticable in the larger 2-stroke engines but when you are in the .46-.90 size, it gets
to be an On/Off switch, that is very dependent on prop/fuel use...

Keep it around 600 rpm increase and you will have VERY good performance...All around
that isn't touchy, and have a very broad power band...

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Using the Macs pipe with the Evo 60 what length should the header be cut to?

Follow the instructions on MAC's website...
Gives good direction...

Be conserverative, and you will be rewarded with a fantastic runnig engine, with power to spare...
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Got a new toy this weekend at our annual Jets Over The Heartland jet meet from Horizon buddy David Payne. Its another pre production prototype so some things are being changed in the "official" version but I think he was tired of me asking when there gonna be here. Another good buddy John Redman hooked me up with the Electric retracts. And a quick swipe of the mouse and an EVO 60 and Macs tuned pipe setup were here! I also ordered the new Jett muffler to try on the engine also. As I have no real instruction booklet I'll try and post some assembly pictures as time permits but they may differ in the end from whats coming from Horizon and Hangar 9. I want to send a personal Big Time THANK YOU! to David and Johnny and also to Rusty Dose for helping me get wound up about Classic Pattern.
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