Classic RC Pattern Flying Discuss here all pre 1996 RC Pattern Flying in this forum.

Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Reply
Old 06-13-2011, 04:38 AM
  #651
Jim Oliver
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: DEATSVILLE, AL
Posts: 700
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Thanks for the update.

Have you tried the APC 11x7? There was a time when I didn't know how much better the ugly APC props performed than the wood Zingers; now, I realize that they're not even close. The Xoar wood props are pretty good, but I consider Zingers to be a "prop kit". There is a prop in there someplace, but you gotta cut and sand 'till you find it!

Would one of the Jett mufflers add worthwhile R's to the Kraft without requiring too much tail weight?

Jim
Jim Oliver is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2011, 04:49 AM
  #652
hook57
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Aurora, IL
Posts: 945
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

I left the K&B plug in because it was running fine and 11.5 K is not all bad for a new (old) engine! It now has an OS plug and has been fine,about 11.8K RPM now but that's also in part due to more leaning. She'll have a pipe on her in short order so I'm not considering a Jett muffler, I would go to a Macs though if not the pipe. I haven't tried the the APC yet Jim, but I plan too. I justhappen to have a shoe box full of Zings, TF Super M, and Rev-Ups so I wanted to use them/some. I do have a home made pitch guage that I check them on though and they are not that bad, I'm mean unless I want to split hairs. Haven't flown the P-7 in two weeks now because of the wonderful Chi-Town weather we've had..

hook
hook57 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2011, 06:05 AM
  #653
Jim Oliver
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: DEATSVILLE, AL
Posts: 700
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Not to argue the "point of the prop",

I didn't know how much difference there is between the APC and Zinger until I began to fly Control Line Aerobatics. It's easier to get comparisons in things like lap times, line tension changes and speed changes (or lack thereof!) when flying the CL aerobatic models. Everything is close by and happens quickly, compared to RC.

I have a pile of Zingers, too; the ones I actually use have all been reworked, but still don't compare to the APC, much less the $50 carbon props.

As always, YMMV!

Jim
Jim Oliver is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2011, 09:19 AM
  #654
stuntflyr
 
stuntflyr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posts: 1,881
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

True Jim,
But then there are those instances where a certain old Rev-Up or Top Flite makes the model! It'll be interesting to see how these "new" Classics respond to the newer props and engines.
Chris...
stuntflyr is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 06:48 AM
  #655
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

WHERE IS A GOOD C/G
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 06:53 AM
  #656
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

CG??
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 06:56 AM
  #657
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

CG PLEASE
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:01 AM
  #658
Wagner24314
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Yankton, SD
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

if it will barely sit on its tall with no fuel your CG is prefect. also test in flight the plane when rolled inverted should have just a slight arc to the ground also when roll knife edge the fuse should stay paraell to the ground for moment
Wagner24314 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:03 AM
  #659
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

C/G PLEASE
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:08 AM
  #660
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

CG ON P7 PLEASE
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:10 AM
  #661
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

THANKS. MINE HAS FIXED GEAR, WIRE IS BENT REARWARD SO IT SITS ON NOSE WHEEL.WERE IS YOUR GEAR LOCATED.?? THANKS
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:12 AM
  #662
Wagner24314
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Yankton, SD
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

about 1 1/2 inch ahead of the gear mounts

here is were my p-8 will sit on its tall i have the sharpie mark on the tall just to make sur it will stay for the pic

im still a litte to nose heavy
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Nl28408.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	129.6 KB
ID:	1625091  
Wagner24314 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 07:18 AM
  #663
RAPPTOR
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: WEST PALM BEACH, FL
Posts: 1,474
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

THANKS A BUNCH
RAPPTOR is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 02:39 PM
  #664
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!


Quote:
ORIGINAL: RAPPTOR

C/G PLEASE

CG ?? Initially I set mine to the recommended 7 1/16". After some flights I've moved it rearward to 7 1/2". Now it suits me.

Try yours first at the safe spec of 7 1/6" and then go from there..........everybody has different taste.

Joe M.
JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 06:35 PM
  #665
KLXMASTER14
 
KLXMASTER14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Simi Valley, CA
Posts: 971
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

The rudder hinges pulled loose today on flight 17. Keep an eye out for hinge security.
KLXMASTER14 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2011, 06:42 PM
  #666
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!


Quote:
ORIGINAL: KLXMASTER14

The rudder hinges pulled loose today on flight 17. Keep an eye out for hinge security.
I really don't remember which hinges were pre-installed and which ones I installed......if any. Just your rudder came loose ?

Joe M.
JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2011, 10:00 AM
  #667
KLXMASTER14
 
KLXMASTER14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Simi Valley, CA
Posts: 971
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Joe M-

Yep. Elevator and ailerons are secure.
KLXMASTER14 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2011, 04:42 PM
  #668
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

First..........go back to page 25 and read post #616.

With the Dub Jett style muffler, everythings OK, but can't use it due to our clubs' noise restrictions.

Using the supplied EVO NX muffler, I just couldn't get any performance. It's like the supplied muffler is strangling any performance. I could not tune out a leaning condition on any outside maneuver and was constantly popping plugs even with the use of the head shim gasket kit. I saw some fuel foaming at the carb line so I installed a smaller tank completely covered in foam.......same annoying lean-out !

After a lot of frustration, and wasted time, I finally got rid of the EVO NX and installed an O.S. 65AX.

Now I've got a nice dependable quiet engine and plenty of power...........not screaming power......but dependable power !

Only downside is I had to re-butch the cowl for the O.S.[:'(]

Total weight not too bad at 8.5 pounds.

Put a couple of break-in flights on the new engine today. So far so good..........

Bottom line is now I'm a happy camper !

I've also got a Hangar 9 Jackal and will probably use the same powerplant.

Joe M.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Zx72315.jpg
Views:	14
Size:	56.6 KB
ID:	1628520   Click image for larger version

Name:	Xt59955.jpg
Views:	14
Size:	63.1 KB
ID:	1628521  
JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2011, 03:18 AM
  #669
Free Bird
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Farmington, CT
Posts: 2,231
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Quote:
Using the supplied EVO NX muffler, I just couldn't get any performance. It's like the supplied muffler is strangling any performance.
Did you try removing the baffle in the muffler? With it gone it'll make a difference.

FB
Free Bird is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 01:13 PM
  #670
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Been having a blast with my Phoenix 7 !!!

For you fellahs using EFlite 60-120 size retracts: On my last flight the other day, I had to land by skidding her in on the muffler as the nose wheel wouldn't come down. No damage.

If you look at one of my pictures you can see both of the small gauge retract wires going into the unit simply snapped off. There was nothing physically touching them, so they had to have broken just from engine vibration.

I picked up another set today. My fix was to apply some clear silicone to the wires (see picture) to prevent any more vibration damage.

Joe M.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Jh14445.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	104.6 KB
ID:	1634846   Click image for larger version

Name:	Vq50453.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	79.6 KB
ID:	1634847  
JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 02:00 PM
  #671
edp
 
edp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Canton, OH
Posts: 534
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Hey Guys,
I too had problems w/ the E-flight nose gear. Here are a few pics of what to look for. Mine had a frayed wire and only a few strands soldered to the buss bar. I used solder wick to clean the buss bar and then trimmed and tinned the wires. Now I have strong, clean solder joints capped off w/ silicone for protection. I don't know why it is the nose gear that has the problems. I hope this will someone out there.



_____________________________

Ed Peel
Alliance Balsa Bees Inc. #492

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Ca82826.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	80.2 KB
ID:	1634854   Click image for larger version

Name:	Gb90378.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	71.0 KB
ID:	1634855   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ci98172.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	73.0 KB
ID:	1634856  
edp is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 04:55 PM
  #672
R_G
 
R_G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Farrell, PA
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!


Quote:
ORIGINAL: edp
I don't know why it is the nose gear that has the problems.
Made in CHINA! []
R_G is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2011, 03:49 AM
  #673
Taurus Flyer
 
Taurus Flyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Almelo, NETHERLANDS
Posts: 2,405
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Quote:
ORIGINAL: edp

Hey Guys,
I too had problems w/ the E-flight nose gear. Here are a few pics of what to look for. Mine had a frayed wire and only a few strands soldered to the buss bar. I used solder wick to clean the buss bar and then trimmed and tinned the wires. Now I have strong, clean solder joints capped off w/ silicone for protection. I don't know why it is the nose gear that has the problems. I hope this will someone out there.



_____________________________

Ed Peel
Alliance Balsa Bees Inc. #492

Ed,

Vibrations are an enemy of electronic wiring. Cupper will bend and break near the connection if it isn’t mechanically supported. Direction, amplitude, and frequency, even speed (m/s2) within the waveform of the vibration, but also wiring mass and free lengths all do affect the process of degeneration of the connection. If cupper bends the material is changing too, it will be harder (stiffer?) and bend on a new place!
It's possible the speed of vibration within the waveform near the noseleg has higher values (less dampened?) than near the mains so wiring with shorter lengths (lower mass) will bend and break.

Nowadays we have shrink tubing, different diameters, yellow, green, red etc. to protect the connection.

“Broken wire” can be end of the planes life!

A Picture of the wiring of main power switch of my o. Taurus o.e.

There are pieces massive wire soldered parallel with the multi strain wiring, and protected by the yellow shrink tubing. The group of wires is protected by red and green tubing. I always have two isolation layers between metal with different potential (double isolation),

And in the past?
Taurus by Ed Kazmirski, read picture 2 composed from a description. The story isn’t changed in the past 50 years only the way of detailed "leave it away" engineering.
My question for you is, will silicone compound be the way to do the job? Isn't it too flexible? I am afraid it can be when using an IC engine and the free wiring is too long.

Cees
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Ki19179.jpg
Views:	7
Size:	104.9 KB
ID:	1635104   Click image for larger version

Name:	Av69305.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	149.1 KB
ID:	1635105  
Taurus Flyer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2011, 06:07 PM
  #674
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

Hey Cees, your response sounds like Einstein's “Fear of Relatives” to me !!

The actual problem is that the turbo-encabulator is simply not oscillating at a required weekly frequency. Check this out by using a tuning fork. Simply tap the tuning fork and hold it to your forehead.

This oscillation causes both of the wires to free-wheel and will cause the tribbal-valve to oscillate at at even higher frequency. This is too bad, because with high frequency at its max, the max may not be enough ! Although the wires menstrual cycle may be at a disadvantage, any advantage can be adjusted by trivvilating any other adjustment !!

Adding a non-supporting set of freeloading wire supports may exasperate this condition !! This can be easily tested with either an AC volt meter or an accurate blood–pressure tester.

Also, high amperage of the deadly kind may be experienced with ANY 220 or 440 volt retract system when using extension cords of any kind. This problem can be easily resolved by increasing the size of both the wires to 8 gauge. Please guys, DO NOT use your tongue when testing any 440 volt systems !!!

Bottom line..............the silicone-in-a tube should work.....signed, Professor Erwin Corey.

Joe M.

JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2011, 06:13 PM
  #675
JoeMamma
 
JoeMamma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Lenox Township, Michigan
Posts: 818
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Scoop! Hangar 9 Phoenix 7...ARF!!!

edit
JoeMamma is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:41 PM.