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Building a Tiporare .40
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">Hi, I´m going to build a Tiporare .40 from Doxilia´s set of plans.
Engine will be an old O.S. .40FS. The goal is to build it with retracts, as light as possible and with material that I´ve in my workshop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">The idea is to use the Tipo as a “rocket pattern” trainer and get some flying skills before the flight of my Curare .60: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10672934 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR"><o:p></o:p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">You can get the Tiporare plans from this link: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=7825947<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p> |
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Some photos of the plans:<div>
</div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M...0/DSC03869.JPG </div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...0/DSC03870.JPG </div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...0/DSC03871.JPG </div> |
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:" new="" lang="EN-US">I´ve a pair of Chinese retracts. With some sanding and adjustments I made them to move smooth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:" new="" lang="EN-US">And I made a modification in order to have nose wheel steering.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div></div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-t...0/DSC03883.JPG</div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...0/DSC03881.JPG</div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC03880.JPG</div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...0/DSC03875.JPG</div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-m...0/DSC03872.JPG</div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...0/DSC03873.JPGhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...0/DSC03874.JPG</div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...0/DSC03876.JPGhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-V...0/DSC03877.JPG</div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-y...0/DSC03878.JPG</div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-X...0/DSC03879.JPG</div>
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Making the templates:<div>
</div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3...0/DSC04085.JPG <div>The standard inverted servo is for the main landong gear retracts, but now I´ve a retract servo.</div><div> </div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H...0/DSC04086.JPG </div><div> </div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-J...0/DSC04088.JPG </div><div> </div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E...0/DSC04090.JPG </div><div> </div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...0/DSC04092.JPG </div><div> </div></div> |
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In order to save weight and problems regarding space for retracts have you considered the use of servo less retracts ?
e.g. hobbyking offer some servo less retracts at a very good price, I would consider this if I were you. |
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Hi alcarafa, I didn´t consider to use servo less retracts. One of the goals in this model was to build it with materials that I´ve already in my workshop.</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">
<span class="apple-style-span"><span style="background:white"><span style="float: none; ">I´d a pair or mechanical retracts over there and adapt them to this model.</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">I´ll try to save weight in other areas.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 7pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Chino<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><br type="_moz" /> |
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More work...<div>
<div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...0/DSC04159.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...0/DSC04157.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...0/DSC04160.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/DSC04161.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...0/DSC04171.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...0/DSC04093.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f...0/DSC04176.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G...0/DSC04179.JPG</div><div></div><div>And this is the retract servo:</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...0/DSC04183.JPG</div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div> |
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Cutting the wing and stabilizer foam cores:<div></div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/DSC04185.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...0/DSC04186.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8...0/DSC04187.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/DSC04188.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a...0/DSC04190.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...0/DSC04191.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...0/DSC04192.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...0/DSC04193.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/DSC04194.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...0/DSC04195.JPG</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0/DSC04196.JPG</div><div></div><div>Will continue...</div>
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Nice work!
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Thank you!
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Yeah, real nice work, chino. Ilove the Tipo :)Ihad a couple or so back in early 90's Iflew pattern with. The 60 sizes.. but same thing really.
Going to be an interesting build, mine were fiberglass shell's Ibuilt up, Ican imagine the challenge ahead forming the nose! Good luck man, keep up the great work ! |
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Yup! Building the nose is a good challenge. It's hard to get it to look just like the glass version. The tuck lines also require some work and are what makes the Tipo rather distinct from the Curare. Dick Hanson used to pump these out at a rate of two to three a week back in the day!
Diego, my apologies for not replying to your PM. I have been traveling abroad and just returned. Was there something specific that you were inquiring about? David. P.S. Note Avatar... glass Tipo 60 in the final stages of completion. [8D] |
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<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">Hi Shimano,
<o:p></o:p></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR"> You are right, the nose section will be a challenge. Let´s see how it looks at the end of construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">Doxilia! Don´t worry, my PM was about the dihedral of the stabilizer. I read something about it but didn´t find the thread again. It said that the angle is less without the tuned pipe, or something like that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">I also asked you about the flight of the .10 version you built, due to the small size and the effects of the Reynolds Number.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ES-AR">Thank you!</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:ES-AR"><o:p></o:p></span></p></p> </p> |
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Some random thoughts i had looking at pics. I recommend wearing gloves working with lead sheet as lead can be absorbed through skin. The nose steering tiller will need to be a smooth shaft instead of threaded.
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ORIGINAL: 790 The nose steering tiller will need to be a smooth shaft instead of threaded. David. |
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Thank you 790! I´ll consider your advices.
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Don´t worry, my PM was about the dihedral of the stabilizer. I read something about it but didn´t find the thread again. It said that the angle is less without the tuned pipe, or something like that. have you read Hanson's original MB article? He talks about the stab anhedral there based on the vertical frontal planform of the model (i.e., pipe or no pipe). If memory serves, for the 60, 3.5" anhedral with pipe and 2" without. Scale as appropriate for the 40. The Pico was built using the 2" criterion being electric and having no exposed "exhaust" of any kind. Of course, the dimension is scaled for the 40" span. Regardless of whether you use muffler or pipe, I would build it per original 60 plan with the larger dihedral and anhedral, again, using the appropriate scaling. I hope this helps, David. |
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Thank you David, I´ll keep the original Tiporare design angle.
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More work on the landing gear....<div></div><div>https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U...4253.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...4254.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...4257.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P...4259.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:" new="">Lightening the stabilizer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div></div><div>https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...4265.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X...4268.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5...4269.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...4272.JPG?gl=AR
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...4271.JPG?gl=AR </div><div></div><div>https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O...4273.JPG?gl=AR</div><div></div><div>Hope this save some weight....</div><div></div><div></div> |
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Chino,
excellent work! In order to keep the model light, make sure you watch the wing and stab sheeting. If you can, use very light 1.5 mm balsa, you should end up at 5 lbs or lighter if you're lucky. I would also cut the fuse sides from 1/8" light balsa and use 1/32" ply doublers or their metric equivalents. Once my fuse top front sheets were carved and sanded to shape, I removed the assembly and hollowed it out. This might be necessary on your model in order to fit the fuel tank comfortably up front next to the FW. In other words, use rubber cement on those three sheets when building so that you can remove it and hollow it out. Oh, I would also use laminating epoxy rather than contact cement when sheeting. I believe it is lighter. Just a couple of suggestions, David. |
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<font size="2">Hi David!</font><div><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; " class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; " lang="EN-US"><font size="2">Yes, I´m using the wood size you recommended me,but not in the lighter side of the scale in ome cases. I´ll sand the wing and stabilizer sheet maybe to 1,2 mm. and 1 mm. respectively.</font></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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