RCPRO Club 40, bubbless tanks after 2012, etc
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RE: RCPRO Club 40, bubbless tanks after 2012, etc
Fill your clunk tank full and lean running problem solved!
At least that is what I did and I still won races!
Finally I did the only sensible thing, I removed the tank all together! (Glow go bye bye!)
Later!
At least that is what I did and I still won races!
Finally I did the only sensible thing, I removed the tank all together! (Glow go bye bye!)
Later!
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RE: RCPRO Club 40, bubbless tanks after 2012, etc
James,
I have been watching this thread and agree with you. This has digressed to the level of the Jerry Springer show.Seems the appropriate thing to do would be toconcede to difference of opinion and play by the rules as they are published for which ever race you are going to attend. And move on before other racers are turned off AGAINby this crap.
ORIGINAL: rcpilot32
Chuck, I think I am going to do a sensable thing. I have heard enough of the complaining and bickering. I want no part of it.
Someone, please remove my name from the list of registered pilots for the T-Town race and the nats.
I'm not going to waste my time and money to go to a race where I expect people to be in each others faces.
THIS WILL SURELY KILL CLUB 40 RACING. Many people are reading these posts and will feel the way I do.
Negative comments will kill racing.
Good luck.
James Barr
Chuck, I think I am going to do a sensable thing. I have heard enough of the complaining and bickering. I want no part of it.
Someone, please remove my name from the list of registered pilots for the T-Town race and the nats.
I'm not going to waste my time and money to go to a race where I expect people to be in each others faces.
THIS WILL SURELY KILL CLUB 40 RACING. Many people are reading these posts and will feel the way I do.
Negative comments will kill racing.
Good luck.
James Barr
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RE: RCPRO Club 40, bubbless tanks after 2012, etc
If you read my first message, this was a thread to get input on bubbless tanks for AFTER 2012 for RCPRO Club 40 and to get opinions.
I did this because the RCPRO Club 40 Committee had already voted on eliminating bubbless tanks from RCPRO Club 40 AFTER 2012.
This topic had NOTHING to do with the race in Tuscaloosa or the Championship race in Waco.
Even though Barry disagreed with Tim Batt, Tim thanked me for allowing people to voice their opinions.
So Skully and I had a tif, big deal. Both of us agree that bubbless tanks are superior. We just disagree on implementation in RCPRO Club 40. I am allowing the RCPRO Club 40 Committee to set the RCPRO Club 40 rules. Perhaps I should not have started the thread.
Club 40 is much stronger now than it was 6 months ago with several new groups starting this year. Club 40 will be fine.
I did this because the RCPRO Club 40 Committee had already voted on eliminating bubbless tanks from RCPRO Club 40 AFTER 2012.
This topic had NOTHING to do with the race in Tuscaloosa or the Championship race in Waco.
Even though Barry disagreed with Tim Batt, Tim thanked me for allowing people to voice their opinions.
So Skully and I had a tif, big deal. Both of us agree that bubbless tanks are superior. We just disagree on implementation in RCPRO Club 40. I am allowing the RCPRO Club 40 Committee to set the RCPRO Club 40 rules. Perhaps I should not have started the thread.
Club 40 is much stronger now than it was 6 months ago with several new groups starting this year. Club 40 will be fine.
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Many of you folks know me... most may not... but I thought I might add my comments.
My local club and one other here in the Cleveland area started up Club 40 events locally in 2010. So this is our 3rd season. Doing well here so far.
To prove a few points, my plane was built 100% stock out of the box. I used everything. The intent was to demonstrate to all of the new racers that special equipment does not win races. From the box, the only thing I did differently was seal the ailerons and elevator gaps, and I did not use the shrink-wrap for pushrod attachment (old fashion thread and glue worked fine).
After the first flight, I changed the wing bolts (put 1/4-20 in), Removed the spinner and substituted a spinner nut, and I swapped out the stock fuel tank and replaced with a bubble-jett.
Why the tank then.. if my intent was to fly purely stock.. ?
Simple... the front of these planes (and it varies often from plane to plane) is not rigid. They shake. In my case this situation, and the stock spinner, were generating fuel foam and bubbles. Caused the engine to run poorly, impossible to get a good needle. The bubble tank was a 100% simple, fool proof method to resolve that problem.
Does the bubble tank provide a performance advantage racing these aircraft? No my friends. Does it prevent blown plugs and a toasted engine ? Most definately. Just a simple way to eliminate at least 3-4 big variables in the fuel system. (not to mention avoids a mess .. the handful of stock tanks that I have seen crack or leak).
I have set up other pilots airplanes, stock tank with fortunately a more stiff front end on the plane.. and they flew great and engines ran well. If the engine is lean, it will still go lean in the corners with a bubble tank. It does not provide positive pressure greater than muffler pressure. If you think running 2-3 clicks leaner in the turn will win you the race or that the bubble tank causes people to win or go faster ... it is time to get more practice flying the race course and prove yourself wrong. (in fact I have demonstrated to more than few people, that setting rich and letting the engine unload sometimes is faster). It is ALL about corner exit speed. Many of you will agree.
Bob Brassell
My local club and one other here in the Cleveland area started up Club 40 events locally in 2010. So this is our 3rd season. Doing well here so far.
To prove a few points, my plane was built 100% stock out of the box. I used everything. The intent was to demonstrate to all of the new racers that special equipment does not win races. From the box, the only thing I did differently was seal the ailerons and elevator gaps, and I did not use the shrink-wrap for pushrod attachment (old fashion thread and glue worked fine).
After the first flight, I changed the wing bolts (put 1/4-20 in), Removed the spinner and substituted a spinner nut, and I swapped out the stock fuel tank and replaced with a bubble-jett.
Why the tank then.. if my intent was to fly purely stock.. ?
Simple... the front of these planes (and it varies often from plane to plane) is not rigid. They shake. In my case this situation, and the stock spinner, were generating fuel foam and bubbles. Caused the engine to run poorly, impossible to get a good needle. The bubble tank was a 100% simple, fool proof method to resolve that problem.
Does the bubble tank provide a performance advantage racing these aircraft? No my friends. Does it prevent blown plugs and a toasted engine ? Most definately. Just a simple way to eliminate at least 3-4 big variables in the fuel system. (not to mention avoids a mess .. the handful of stock tanks that I have seen crack or leak).
I have set up other pilots airplanes, stock tank with fortunately a more stiff front end on the plane.. and they flew great and engines ran well. If the engine is lean, it will still go lean in the corners with a bubble tank. It does not provide positive pressure greater than muffler pressure. If you think running 2-3 clicks leaner in the turn will win you the race or that the bubble tank causes people to win or go faster ... it is time to get more practice flying the race course and prove yourself wrong. (in fact I have demonstrated to more than few people, that setting rich and letting the engine unload sometimes is faster). It is ALL about corner exit speed. Many of you will agree.
Bob Brassell
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Just want to make something clear, my post above was done in fun, I really did fill my clunker full and those with bubble-less tanks did not have an advantage over me, I never used one because of the additional cost involved ($60+). I left C-40 since I am all electric now and at the end, my only glow engines were the C-40 ones and tinkering with glow engines and props no longer held any interest for me and became more of a hassle than it was worth, again for ME!
I do still fly a 'Raider, only an electric one. (And I can keep up with OldBob on the race course! )
Later!
I do still fly a 'Raider, only an electric one. (And I can keep up with OldBob on the race course! )
Later!
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ORIGINAL: DonStegall
If you read my first message, this was a thread to get input on bubbless tanks for AFTER 2012 for RCPRO Club 40 and to get opinions.
I did this because the RCPRO Club 40 Committee had already voted on eliminating bubbless tanks from RCPRO Club 40 AFTER 2012.
This topic had NOTHING to do with the race in Tuscaloosa or the Championship race in Waco.
Even though Barry disagreed with Tim Batt, Tim thanked me for allowing people to voice their opinions.
So Skully and I had a tif, big deal. Both of us agree that bubbless tanks are superior. We just disagree on implementation in RCPRO Club 40. I am allowing the RCPRO Club 40 Committee to set the RCPRO Club 40 rules. Perhaps I should not have started the thread.
Club 40 is much stronger now than it was 6 months ago with several new groups starting this year. Club 40 will be fine.
If you read my first message, this was a thread to get input on bubbless tanks for AFTER 2012 for RCPRO Club 40 and to get opinions.
I did this because the RCPRO Club 40 Committee had already voted on eliminating bubbless tanks from RCPRO Club 40 AFTER 2012.
This topic had NOTHING to do with the race in Tuscaloosa or the Championship race in Waco.
Even though Barry disagreed with Tim Batt, Tim thanked me for allowing people to voice their opinions.
So Skully and I had a tif, big deal. Both of us agree that bubbless tanks are superior. We just disagree on implementation in RCPRO Club 40. I am allowing the RCPRO Club 40 Committee to set the RCPRO Club 40 rules. Perhaps I should not have started the thread.
Club 40 is much stronger now than it was 6 months ago with several new groups starting this year. Club 40 will be fine.