Where does FAA airspace start?
02-28-2011, 05:00 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
As far as the FAA is concerned they own ALL the airspace of the US. Not all of it is controlled (meaning under active control of an ATC facility or tower), but the FAA can regulate aviation activity in all the airspace of the US.
02-28-2011, 05:03 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
Considering some airports have their airspace defined down to the ground,
the answer to your quetsion is 0'
Look at the definition of FAA's airspace "Class G".
FAA rules the roost as to what they allow you to do in their Class G airspace... you cant do what they say you cant do in their air
the answer to your quetsion is 0'
Look at the definition of FAA's airspace "Class G".
FAA rules the roost as to what they allow you to do in their Class G airspace... you cant do what they say you cant do in their air
02-28-2011, 06:29 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
Could be pilot or student pilot requirements to operate in Class G, but it is uncontrolled; even Class E is uncontrolled under VFR.
"uncontrolled" is not to be confused with /not under FAAs heavy hand and regulation /
FAA can and does say what it will not allow to go on in ClassG
But the answer to his question is still "Zero feet, because its 0 anywhere the FAA wants to say its zero".
We just went thru this in the Aerial Trespassing thread.
Some folks will point out that FAA had to pay a guy when FAA started using the airspace a dozen feet above his house... but what didnt happen was the FAA didnt have to give back the airspace they 'took'. FAA gets to take what they want and maybe you can get paid for it if you're lucky in court
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Looking at it the other direction,
how low does FAA allow planes to fly?
Well, the regs are clear-
Sec. 91.119
Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
02-28-2011, 07:45 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
ORIGINAL: pipercub4
What altitude does common airspace end and FAA airspace start? Some one told me it was 100ft. Just was wondering...
What altitude does common airspace end and FAA airspace start? Some one told me it was 100ft. Just was wondering...
02-28-2011, 08:19 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
ORIGINAL: hook57
If you say so Kid, after all, in the words of Lord Epoxy you do know it all! All the while the blind will lead the blind while the misinformed become more misinformed.
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
as Silent and I have mentioned,
''uncontrolled'' is not to be confused with /not under FAAs heavy hand and regulation /
FAA can and does say what it will not allow to go on in ClassG
But the answer to his question is still ''Zero feet, because its 0 anywhere the FAA wants to say its zero''.
We just went thru this in the Aerial Trespassing thread.
Some folks will point out that FAA had to pay a guy when FAA started using the airspace a dozen feet above his house... but what didnt happen was the FAA didnt have to give back the airspace they 'took'. FAA gets to take what they want and maybe you can get paid for it if you're lucky in court
Could be pilot or student pilot requirements to operate in Class G, but it is uncontrolled; even Class E is uncontrolled under VFR.
''uncontrolled'' is not to be confused with /not under FAAs heavy hand and regulation /
FAA can and does say what it will not allow to go on in ClassG
But the answer to his question is still ''Zero feet, because its 0 anywhere the FAA wants to say its zero''.
We just went thru this in the Aerial Trespassing thread.
Some folks will point out that FAA had to pay a guy when FAA started using the airspace a dozen feet above his house... but what didnt happen was the FAA didnt have to give back the airspace they 'took'. FAA gets to take what they want and maybe you can get paid for it if you're lucky in court
02-28-2011, 08:31 PM
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On a side note the only thing I can find on "common airspace" is in the E.U. It refers to a system which in some E.U. countries airspace would be basically borderless. This is due to the small size of many countries in Europe and the difficulties with managing military training flights. A logistic nightmare.
02-28-2011, 10:12 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
The more correct answer is that there is no such thing as "FAA airspace". There is the airspace of the United States of America and the FAA has authority over all of that. Some of that airspace is under positive control and can extend to the ground in many places. But controlled or not, the FAA has authority, granted by Congress, over all the airspace of the USA. In other words, the FAA can make rules regarding who does what and how in the airspace of the USA.
03-01-2011, 05:49 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
Are we going to start with this discussion again?
[link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10167174/anchors_10167174/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#10167174[/link]
And after reading all the posts, What does it have to do with the AMA?
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[link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10167174/anchors_10167174/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#10167174[/link]
And after reading all the posts, What does it have to do with the AMA?
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03-01-2011, 06:02 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
ORIGINAL: hook57
As I stated before I deleted it, the FAA does not own the NAS as Silent stated,
As I stated before I deleted it, the FAA does not own the NAS as Silent stated,
So I am unclear, if my statement is incorrect/inaccurate does that mean that there are indeed parts of the airspace of the US that the FAA does not have authority over? Again recognizing the difference between positive control and regulatory authority.
03-01-2011, 07:01 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
ORIGINAL: hook57
Well of course, and I would hope that a CFI with 14 years of experience would know the difference.
ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
I tried to clarify that colloquial use of ''own'' to use the more correct ''under the authority'' of term. I also stated twice about the various levels of controlled airspace. I did fail to make the distinction about where ''space'' started.
So I am unclear, if my statement is incorrect/inaccurate does that mean that there are indeed parts of the airspace of the US that the FAA does not have authority over? Again recognizing the difference between positive control and regulatory authority.
ORIGINAL: hook57
As I stated before I deleted it, the FAA does not own the NAS as Silent stated,
As I stated before I deleted it, the FAA does not own the NAS as Silent stated,
So I am unclear, if my statement is incorrect/inaccurate does that mean that there are indeed parts of the airspace of the US that the FAA does not have authority over? Again recognizing the difference between positive control and regulatory authority.
That controlled airspace (please don't start the navigable airspace debate) is everywhere is absurd.
SO the bottom line, are there areas of airspace in the US where the FAA has no authority to regulate? In other words, are there places where I can fly something without any concern that the FAA can either regulate my actions or otherwise assert any authority?
03-01-2011, 07:11 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
Hook please tell me in what portion of the airspace, in the U.S.A., do the FAR's not have to be followed. The FAA has direct control, IE. class B airspace, or indirect control, the FAR's, over aircraft operation the second they leave the ground. The control of the airspace is indeed limited, but over aircraft operation it is only limited by the scope of the FAR's, which can be changed. So as far as aircraft operation is concerned they basically "own all of the airspace." You used the term certificated as if I thought that involves control. No I know that just means you have shown you know and can abide by the standards set forth by the FAA. Whether you are certificated or not does not dictate whether or not you have to follow the FAR's. The FAR's are a form of indirect control. If you are found in violation of the FAR's then you can be punished. There is not a portion of airspace in which at least one FAR is not in effect. Is there anywhere that you can take a passenger up and do aerobatics without parachutes being worn for example (91.307c). That my friend is control. Yes I agree my choice of the term "general rule'" was vague. Also what on Gods green earth does it matter if I defined space?
P.S. since we are dealing with regular people and not lawyers I use the terms "own" and "control" in the layman's terms.
P.S. since we are dealing with regular people and not lawyers I use the terms "own" and "control" in the layman's terms.
03-01-2011, 07:22 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
I agree that this thread has nothing to do with the AMA. I was willing to let it go for a day to see if perhaps it might possible work it's way to being applicable to the AMA forum, but I see nothing of that sort happening. I'm moving the thread.
Thread moved to: All Forums >> Radios, Batteries, Clubhouse and more >> The Clubhouse
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Thread moved to: All Forums >> Radios, Batteries, Clubhouse and more >> The Clubhouse
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03-01-2011, 11:23 AM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
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03-01-2011, 02:18 PM
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RE: Where does FAA airspace start?
ORIGINAL: hook57
It's not a ''simple'' yes, but yes.
It's not a ''simple'' yes, but yes.
So there are in fact areas where the FAA has absolutely no authority? When I say authority I mean that they are not the ones who get to define what is, and is not, permitted to happen. Even Class G airspace falls under the authority of the FAA, I mean they define what it is so how would that not be under their authority?