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Old 10-02-2011, 05:15 PM
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I am missing it guys, help me out with some Photoshop'ed arrows or something....
Old 10-02-2011, 11:06 PM
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Aw and dam, As a joke I applied the star upside down on
my new " Pole Star " just to draw attention but not meaning
any disrespect. I meant to draw attention to the fact that
it was not ordinary.
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:08 AM
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Here are the Coast Guard decals that come with the 450 size AH-64 Apache. They are even pictured in the instruction manual.


Old 10-03-2011, 02:05 AM
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I am missing it guys, help me out with some Photoshop'ed arrows or something....

I have an Alpha F-86 with the same mistake.
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Old 10-03-2011, 04:40 AM
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Thanks for the history lesson. I wasn't aware that the prototype had carried that color scheme. Today's not wasted; I learned something.
The YF-16 with the Red White and Blue color scheme had a smaller more pointed nose than the later production F-16s. The kit shown has the fatter/longer production nose, the horizontal tail has regular elevators rather than a full-moving tail. The pilot seat looks upright like regular fighters, the F-16 has a more reclined seat (30 degree recline). Also, the wingtips have always had the AIM-9 Sidewinders on them, the kit does not (that's understandable).

So, I would call this ARF a WAY-OFF SCALE version of the F-16. At least if they plan on using that color scheme, they should put YF-16, not F-16 in the insignia.
Old 10-03-2011, 06:11 AM
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Interesting. I also just noticed the warning in the lower right hand corner about this being an advanced aircraft "not for beginners" that has to be flown at an AMA field. Had no idea they were doing that now, putting these warnings on planes. Back in the day it sorta went without saying.
Old 10-03-2011, 06:37 AM
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Interesting. I also just noticed the warning in the lower right hand corner about this being an advanced aircraft ''not for beginners'' that has to be flown at an AMA field. Had no idea they were doing that now, putting these warnings on planes. Back in the day it sorta went without saying.
Shame that I will not be able to buy and fly this model at my non AMA farm.
Old 10-03-2011, 06:39 AM
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Interesting. I also just noticed the warning in the lower right hand corner about this being an advanced aircraft ''not for beginners'' that has to be flown at an AMA field. Had no idea they were doing that now, putting these warnings on planes. Back in the day it sorta went without saying.
Goes along the same vein as the "Caution - I'm Hot" warning on the McDonald's coffee cup I'm holding...
Old 10-03-2011, 07:53 AM
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Desecration? Really? A QC/production mistake at best. Notifying the manufacturer would have been more meaningful. It's obvious nothing was meant by it. I'm sure our symbols/decals look as weird to them as theirs do to us.
Old 10-03-2011, 08:06 AM
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At least if they plan on using that color scheme, they should put YF-16, not F-16 in the insignia.
The [defunct or absorbed?] manufacturer, General Dynamics, is also missing from the base of the vertical stab so I wonder if this is yet another example of the mfg having to pay royalties to the company that now owns rights (Lockheed-Martin?).
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At least if they plan on using that color scheme, they should put YF-16, not F-16 in the insignia.
The [defunct or absorbed?] manufacturer, General Dynamics, is also missing from the base of the vertical stab so I wonder if this is yet another example of the mfg having to pay royalties to the company that now owns rights (Lockheed-Martin?).
Don't know about the royalties, but Lockheed bought the Fort Worth Division of General Dynamics (aircraft division) around 20 years ago. General Dynamics still exists. So, that's a good point about royalties. If they have to pay the royalties, who do they pay it to, General Dynamics, or Lockheed since this is the YF-16?
Old 10-03-2011, 09:10 AM
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At least if they plan on using that color scheme, they should put YF-16, not F-16 in the insignia.
Actually, there's lots of photos of that aircraft where it says "F-16" on the tail:

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true


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Interesting. I also just noticed the warning in the lower right hand corner about this being an advanced aircraft ''not for beginners'' that has to be flown at an AMA field. Had no idea they were doing that now, putting these warnings on planes. Back in the day it sorta went without saying.
Shame that I will not be able to buy and fly this model at my non AMA farm.
LOL, that is ashame!
Old 10-03-2011, 10:36 AM
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Maybe its a prototype for the Thunderbirds where they put some of the markings on upside down so you can read them when they zip by inverted
Old 10-03-2011, 11:31 AM
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This kind of thing happens quite often, in fact so often that I'm more surprised when I don't see any labeling discrepancies.
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At least if they plan on using that color scheme, they should put YF-16, not F-16 in the insignia.
Actually, there's lots of photos of that aircraft where it says ''F-16'' on the tail:

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true


Interesting!! Look at the cars in the background, some vintage there too.
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A real simple solution to the problem if the vendor want fix it.

1. Remove the decal.
2. Buy another decal
3. Put it on correctly.

If you don't like the way the placards are installed from a vendor you have 2 options available. The above option or just dont buy the product to begin with. I think that the F-16 is a pretty popular model and I am sure there are other vendors who sell them.

My 2 cents worth.

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I'm sure our symbols/decals look as weird to them as theirs do to us.
However, if the manufacturer is in the country I think it is, then I believe it also uses a star and bar form for its national insignia with similar orinentation. It would be helpful to find out if these decals/stickers/insignia/markings are applied at the factory or by the customer...
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ORIGINAL: willig10

A real simple solution to the problem if the vendor want fix it.

1. Remove the decal.
2. Buy another decal
3. Put it on correctly.

If you don't like the way the placards are installed from a vendor you have 2 options available. The above option or just dont buy the product to begin with. I think that the F-16 is a pretty popular model and I am sure there are other vendors who sell them.

My 2 cents worth.

Glenn Williams

At first I thought we could invade and occupy China because of such an obvious and deliberate sacrilegious "desecration", but then I realized your idea is much better.

Gerry
Old 10-03-2011, 05:33 PM
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I agree that it is probably just an oversight by the manufacturer. The photos of the Finnish aircraft model box are interesting, though. Visiting Finland this summer as well as several aviation museums and the Jami air show I was pleased to note that Finnish Second World War aircraft are faithfully restored, swastika and all. On the other hand, I noticed several books with the swastika replaced with a blue and white roundel (???), or blurred out. Ironically, I purchased the above mentioned model kit. The decals for the correct markings are included, but hidden behind blue decal film that has to be cleared off first!

I think it's kind of sad to see political correctness skew historic accuracy...
Old 10-03-2011, 07:00 PM
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As someone who works in the industry I can tell you first-hand how often stuff like this happens. Just ask Sears about the time their catalog had men modeling underwear where one of the men's masculinity was making its catalog debut.

Even with a small army of proofreaders, things slip by. The unfortunate thing is that once the catalogs are sent out, there's no way to fix it.

That's the nice thing about the web... The ink never dries.
IMHO this thread it a little more than a tempest in a teapot.

Nitpickers, I say...

http://www.plaidstallions.com/images/brickmantooth2.jpg
(Picture from 1975 Sears catalog.)
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Nitpickers, I say...

http://www.plaidstallions.com/images/brickmantooth2.jpg
(Picture from 1975 Sears catalog.)

? Can't tell what's wrong with that low rez picture.
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Visiting Finland this summer as well as several aviation museums and the Jami air show I was pleased to note that Finnish Second World War aircraft are faithfully restored, swastika and all. On the other hand, I noticed several books with the swastika replaced with a blue and white roundel (???), or blurred out.
Any post war photos would have the roundels. Photos have probably been edited in case anyone wants to take them to Germany.

Many museums outside Germany seem to put historically correct markings on their German aircraft, even ones that fly.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...eet.asp?id=505
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/pictures/bf109/
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Nitpickers, I say...

http://www.plaidstallions.com/images/brickmantooth2.jpg
(Picture from 1975 Sears catalog.)

? Can't tell what's wrong with that low rez picture.
The original is a pretty small picture printed on newsprint. It takes a little imagination to be convinced of what may be actually shown.

Perhaps after singing along with the song at the link below, whatever it is that might be pictured there will be visible to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd2gD_6YFos
(Zoot Fenster singing "The Man On Page 602")
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All the planes at the Flying Heritage museum in Everett, WA have their correct markings..


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