Camarillo, CA Channel Islands Condors Field Closure
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If you signed a contract with a 90 days provision you might as well not have a contract at all, ours at least is year to year
Not in California a few miles from the ocean for sure, Land back here is much more affordable,, just hard to find where you can fly,, urban sprawl is just about everywhere
Not in California a few miles from the ocean for sure, Land back here is much more affordable,, just hard to find where you can fly,, urban sprawl is just about everywhere
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I am not sure I don't agree with the ban if you are flying lipo powered electrics there.
Please use some common sense. If the place is sensitive to fire starting, ban Lipo's
I am not sure I don't agree with the ban if you are flying lipo powered electrics there.
Please use some common sense. If the place is sensitive to fire starting, ban Lipo's
But wait - that might ruin someone's "fun". And we all know fun and rules or even common sense don't mix.
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ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
If you signed a contract with a 90 days provision you might as well not have a contract at all, ours at least is year to year
Not in California a few miles from the ocean for sure, Land back here is much more affordable,, just hard to find where you can fly,, urban sprawl is just about everywhere
If you signed a contract with a 90 days provision you might as well not have a contract at all, ours at least is year to year
Not in California a few miles from the ocean for sure, Land back here is much more affordable,, just hard to find where you can fly,, urban sprawl is just about everywhere
My point is simple - if you don't own the land, better keep the landlord happy. If you do own the land, better keep the neighbors happy. Flying model airplanes is not a right.
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We negotiate during the summer for the following year. Since we have a long off season due to Midwest weather that would give us many months to hunt a new site. Since we pay more than a sharecropper would it makes no Cents or Dollars for the landlord not to renew year to year
You're right, we try to keep out landlord happy, we actually have tried to buy the land, but there are easement issues since the flying area of the lot we use doesn't have road frontage. We have a great location surrounded by trees for sound deadening for neighbors and a scrap yard behind us, we'd buy it in a minute if we could.
You're right, we try to keep out landlord happy, we actually have tried to buy the land, but there are easement issues since the flying area of the lot we use doesn't have road frontage. We have a great location surrounded by trees for sound deadening for neighbors and a scrap yard behind us, we'd buy it in a minute if we could.
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Breaking a contract has consequences
I have rental properties, I have rental contracts with my tenants, I can't go tomorrow and kick out my renters without being sued and loosing big, same way they can't leave without paying and without risking loosing their security deposit and or me suing them for lost income. A contract at least gives the landlord a reason not to kick you out until the contract is fulfilled. That's a whole lot better than nothing
I have rental properties, I have rental contracts with my tenants, I can't go tomorrow and kick out my renters without being sued and loosing big, same way they can't leave without paying and without risking loosing their security deposit and or me suing them for lost income. A contract at least gives the landlord a reason not to kick you out until the contract is fulfilled. That's a whole lot better than nothing
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ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
Breaking a contract has consequences
I have rental properties, I have rental contracts with my tenants, I can't go tomorrow and kick out my renters without being sued and loosing big, same way they can't leave without paying and without risking loosing their security deposit and or me suing them for lost income. A contract at least gives the landlord a reason not to kick you out until the contract is fulfilled. That's a whole lot better than nothing
Breaking a contract has consequences
I have rental properties, I have rental contracts with my tenants, I can't go tomorrow and kick out my renters without being sued and loosing big, same way they can't leave without paying and without risking loosing their security deposit and or me suing them for lost income. A contract at least gives the landlord a reason not to kick you out until the contract is fulfilled. That's a whole lot better than nothing
anytime. Generaly it is the landowner that is holding the most cards in most cases, And even though your lease may be for a year or more the landlord will most
likely have a clause that will let them termnate the lease within a certain time frame if it is their interest to do so.
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Actually, my point is to take exceptional care to protect your landlord's property and your relationship with them. When we get down to the point of trying to enforce a contract - we've already lost the field. NOBODY is getting rich leasing land to R/C clubs. If we become a pain to our landlord, we're done - 30 days, 180 days, 270 days, whenever. It's a whole lot easier to keep a field than it is to relocate.
One club field locally has a farmer as landlord. Every Christmas, we give him a bottle of Chivas Regal. He always says we don't need to do that, but he's been a lot easier to deal with since we started.
One club field locally has a farmer as landlord. Every Christmas, we give him a bottle of Chivas Regal. He always says we don't need to do that, but he's been a lot easier to deal with since we started.
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Good to hear there is positive progress. Otherwise, the club could have found an activity that did not violate the rules and restrictions imposed on them. I would have suggested that they host a full size helicopter fly-in as only unmanned aircraft were prohibited.
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Actually, my point is to take exceptional care to protect your landlord's property and your relationship with them. When we get down to the point of trying to enforce a contract - we've already lost the field. NOBODY is getting rich leasing land to R/C clubs. If we become a pain to our landlord, we're done - 30 days, 180 days, 270 days, whenever. It's a whole lot easier to keep a field than it is to relocate.
One club field locally has a farmer as landlord. Every Christmas, we give him a bottle of Chivas Regal. He always says we don't need to do that, but he's been a lot easier to deal with since we started.
Actually, my point is to take exceptional care to protect your landlord's property and your relationship with them. When we get down to the point of trying to enforce a contract - we've already lost the field. NOBODY is getting rich leasing land to R/C clubs. If we become a pain to our landlord, we're done - 30 days, 180 days, 270 days, whenever. It's a whole lot easier to keep a field than it is to relocate.
One club field locally has a farmer as landlord. Every Christmas, we give him a bottle of Chivas Regal. He always says we don't need to do that, but he's been a lot easier to deal with since we started.
You can find the Ohio Stae law regarding leasing agreements here: http://www.ohiolandlordtenant.com/revised.html#5321.06
The botoom line is that a landowner can give reasonable notice, 90 days I think and then it's sionara. Only an ownere who is a complete idiot would ever enter into a leasing agreement that did not give them specific rights to terminate the agreement. The biggest problem for RC is that most flying fields are in areas that were once off the beaten path but are now being populated with houses and industrial courts. People don't like having RC planes near them.
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Someone may have already said it at some point but just in case they haven't, you're going the wrong route trying to complain your way into keeping this flying field. They made a decision already, so you've already lost the battle of convincing them that the field is a good thing. If you whine, attack, send letters, threaten, etc, then you just solidify to them that they made the right decision and that RC guys are no good. That can close doors to having other flying sites available to you. The very best thing you can do is reel in the smear campaign and start asking about your club members to see if anyone knows a city councilman, someone in the parks department, someone who owns some land, anything that might be a lead for a new location. If you accept this loss with a mature attitude you'll at least not have the university administration saying that you all acted terribly.
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I wonder how long it'll be before the university starts flying UAVs (under government contract,naturally) from the condor site.
That aside, the club was too complacent, as many are until something happens.
Our local RC club has had many locations over the years, due to various government entities changes in attitude and landowners selling land. We even have an alternate field available for use if things should unexpectedly change at our present location. Landowners around us have voiced such things as "you are scaring away the deer", (and shooting them doesn't?). "You make my goats nervous", "The horse jumped the fence", and so forth.
That aside, the club was too complacent, as many are until something happens.
Our local RC club has had many locations over the years, due to various government entities changes in attitude and landowners selling land. We even have an alternate field available for use if things should unexpectedly change at our present location. Landowners around us have voiced such things as "you are scaring away the deer", (and shooting them doesn't?). "You make my goats nervous", "The horse jumped the fence", and so forth.
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See http://cicondors.com/pdf/Jan-2013-newsletter.pdf
Looks like they are making progress - they found someone who understands burrocrats to lead the effort.
Looks like they are making progress - they found someone who understands burrocrats to lead the effort.
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The things grown men do will make you want to poke your eyes out with a pencil...
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And not really a lot more than nitro-methane.
Guess what? It's a red flag to the public. Ask a non-modeler who lives near your field, "Which would you rather see our models run on: alcohol fuel or nitro fuel?"