What an Idiot!
07-28-2014, 07:55 AM
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Might be better if we all contacted the FAA and disavowed this type of behavior and recommend they direct their attention on the pirate operators instead of those who are operating in a responsable manner, and yes stopping all activity until the area was safe to operate in again was the correct thing to do. A home can be replaced but a person can not, firefighters should not have to worry about things like this. I hope the authorities file some kind of charges against this moron.
There's a saying "One "Oh Sh%t" wipes out a thousand "Atta-Boys.""
07-28-2014, 08:38 AM
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And yet the AMA is fighting to preserve FPV as a legitimate part of the Model Airplane hobby. If we are going to save our hobby, we are going to have to cut the FPV out of the mix. Let the AMA know that our only chance is to deny that a vehicle flown FPV is a "model airplane", or else our model airplanes are going to be covered by the same rules as FPV. (Certified equipment, licensed pilots and Air Traffic Control.)
Jim
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07-28-2014, 09:57 AM
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There is money to be made with these multi rotors. some jobs can net you 1500-1800 dollars an hour. If some one not in the hobby goes and buys one of these to do this will not know anything about the impacts. putting rules on us is unfair. my solution is to have the people selling these multi rotors regulate who they sell to. To buy a multi rotor that is camera capable you should have a state run class. this class can be a short half day class where they teach you the rules on how to fly these and with the when and where stuff. Once you complete it you sign a training certificate which allows you to buy the equipment. The class should be free or very cheap.
now these idiots are more informed and the state now has proof that you were trained and if they disobey that then there should be very hefty fines or even jail time.
now these idiots are more informed and the state now has proof that you were trained and if they disobey that then there should be very hefty fines or even jail time.
07-28-2014, 10:25 AM
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And yet the AMA is fighting to preserve FPV as a legitimate part of the Model Aircraft hobby. If we are going to save our hobby, we are going to have to cut the FPV out of the mix. Let the AMA know that our only chance is to deny that a vehicle flown FPV is a "model aircraft", or else our model aircrafts are going to be covered by the same rules as FPV. (Certified equipment, licensed pilots and Air Traffic Control.)
Jim
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Not sure why so many poeple don'/can't see FPV as part of the Aeromodeling Hobby. Remember it's the "idiots" flying rogue that should concern you, not the responsible person getting enjoyment out of flying their quad/hex/airplane/helicopter FPV.
07-28-2014, 10:37 AM
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And yet the AMA is fighting to preserve FPV as a legitimate part of the Model Airplane hobby. If we are going to save our hobby, we are going to have to cut the FPV out of the mix. Let the AMA know that our only chance is to deny that a vehicle flown FPV is a "model airplane", or else our model airplanes are going to be covered by the same rules as FPV. (Certified equipment, licensed pilots and Air Traffic Control.)
Jim
Jim
+1 on your post by the way.
Jerry
07-28-2014, 10:47 AM
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07-28-2014, 11:06 AM
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Kind of like gun control, millions of gun owners did not kill anyone today but the one who did will bring down hammer. I noticed that all the inet vendors like Hking and Hpeople are having quad/fpv sales like crazy, like vultures sensing a kill. 
07-28-2014, 11:06 AM
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Common sense is not that common. As far I am concerned we as a hobby have had no problems till these " drones " came into the picture and I have been flying more than 30 years. Now we are in deep s--t because of these. ANY ONE flying these " drones" should have to get a license and put their license # on it. I do AP and fly all different kinds of RC, but all most all of us had to learn to fly with the help of other responsible people. Now you can just go and buy one of these and in one hour with no training be flying higher than we can see.
07-28-2014, 11:37 AM
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Restrictive rules are made to control the "idiots", but unfortunately, they cover the "responsible person" as well. You seem to be in denial, but I assure you, FPV flight beyond the pilots unaided line of sight is going to be controlled by the FAA. What we need to do now is try to avoid having the same rules cover traditional line of sight model flight as well.
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07-28-2014, 12:25 PM
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I might be wrong, but I seem to remember that RC Pilots had to get an FCC license way back when, seem like even CB users were required to as well. I'm talking late 1960's here.
Maybe FPV should be licensed in the same manner, kind of like Amateur Radio. Learn the rules & fly by the rules or face a federal offense.
The AMA could conduct the class and administer the test like the HAM guys.
I'm sure the FAA would prefer that route over regulating all model aviation.
Control line quad copters would be exempt.
Maybe FPV should be licensed in the same manner, kind of like Amateur Radio. Learn the rules & fly by the rules or face a federal offense.
The AMA could conduct the class and administer the test like the HAM guys.
I'm sure the FAA would prefer that route over regulating all model aviation.
Control line quad copters would be exempt.
07-28-2014, 01:13 PM
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Sorry I think it is going to come down to anyone that wants to fly FPV/Drones, or unmanned aircraft will need to be licensed and insured. The way some videos I have seen had to have been made can and does pose a threat to people and property. Too many people go to a store or online and purchase equipment then just go fly. I think some people do not take this seriously. They just want to go have fun. We all know some of the RC aircraft we fly could and can be very dangerous and can even cause death.
07-28-2014, 01:27 PM
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Article in the Wall Street Journal today about schools trying to teach drone flying having to use simulators or tie the drone to the ground with a rope!
http://online.wsj.com/articles/there...tions_business
07-28-2014, 01:42 PM
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07-28-2014, 01:52 PM
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There is money to be made with these multi rotors. some jobs can net you 1500-1800 dollars an hour. If some one not in the hobby goes and buys one of these to do this will not know anything about the impacts. putting rules on us is unfair. my solution is to have the people selling these multi rotors regulate who they sell to. To buy a multi rotor that is camera capable you should have a state run class. this class can be a short half day class where they teach you the rules on how to fly these and with the when and where stuff. Once you complete it you sign a training certificate which allows you to buy the equipment. The class should be free or very cheap.
now these idiots are more informed and the state now has proof that you were trained and if they disobey that then there should be very hefty fines or even jail time.
now these idiots are more informed and the state now has proof that you were trained and if they disobey that then there should be very hefty fines or even jail time.
It's like if you wanted to add a 220 volt drier outlet in your garage. Anyone can go down to Home Depot and buy the outlet, wire and circuit breaker and assuming the breaker box is readily available can easily add that outlet. But if you get caught doing it you'll have the government down on your neck so fast your head will spin.
07-28-2014, 03:13 PM
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07-28-2014, 03:23 PM
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Control line? I also wonder about less than that with what the FAA has said. Think about it, any model aircraft flight has to be reported to FAA if within 5 miles of an airport. Isn't a kid throwing a balsa glider from the dime store in his back yard flying a model aircraft? (Okay, I might be an old fa*t and I might not know where balsa gliders are available any more, but throwing a glider is a model aircraft flight, isn't it?) Do they want to be called before every one of these? What about paper airplanes? What about flying a micro airplane in my living room? It's a model aircraft, it's flying and the new regs don't say that it has to be outdoors. Do I have to warn them every time I fly a 0.5 gram ministick in my living room?
Where are the lines?
Dave
Where are the lines?
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07-28-2014, 04:12 PM
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Therein lies the problem. The main exception for a hobby is that WE CAN'T MAKE MONEY AT IT. That is precisely why the commercial drone companies (manufacturers and users) are pushing so hard for regulations against our hobby - they don't have those hobby exceptions.
It's like if you wanted to add a 220 volt drier outlet in your garage. Anyone can go down to Home Depot and buy the outlet, wire and circuit breaker and assuming the breaker box is readily available can easily add that outlet. But if you get caught doing it you'll have the government down on your neck so fast your head will spin.
It's like if you wanted to add a 220 volt drier outlet in your garage. Anyone can go down to Home Depot and buy the outlet, wire and circuit breaker and assuming the breaker box is readily available can easily add that outlet. But if you get caught doing it you'll have the government down on your neck so fast your head will spin.
07-28-2014, 04:14 PM
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Not a problem. They get a complaint, they show up, they follow it home. It is more of a problem if you get some rookie who thinks that any remote controlled airplane is an "illegal drone" and tries to arrest you for flying a park flyer on your own property. It has already happened.
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