FlyerInOKC

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Welcome Papasal! You won't find a finer array of curmudgeons to associate with then right here! I feel your pain Flyboy. Nothing like a bum knee to let you know when a weather change is on the way!

Joe Nagy

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Hi Everyone;

& Greetings to you all from Wickenburg, Arizona.

+ a special welcome to Papasal; your brief history in modeldom, kinda parallels my own, but I have a few yrs on you, anyways, Welcome Aboard, U will luv it herein!

& for U older guys', climbing ladders, roofing, painting home roof trim/sealing....Yikes! A few years back I barely survived a bout of Meningitis, it made an genuine old man of me; now have poor balance, do not dare climb stairs or ladders, lost my hearing totally/now have both L&RS cochlear inplants, and this year, close to my 75th B'day underwent LS hip replacement. I too, at one time tried to do/fix everything.....now, I farm most work out to specialists; so U older guys bewares: Old Man Time is on the lookout for usins', & know for sure that He has found me.

& a Special thank-you so much to UK Telemaster Sales, [gosh but wish I knew your first name, it may be Dave?], for your simply beautiful coverage of the La Coupe des Barons meet in France a month or so back. I simply luved the coverage, and have watched the 45 minute video many times. I have the Barons' plans and plan on building one soon, but have to finish up a few other ships first; + I just stumbled on to a new one: wait until you hear this: 2 weeks ago, in our local newpaper was a notice for an estate sale only 2 blocks from my own home, and listed was an RC Model Aircraft. Quite naturally, I had to go over and see what it was.....Long story Short.....I place a bid for the item with the Estate rep's daughter, heard nothing for 4>5 days, then she called me and said the RC Aircraft was mine if I still wanted it. OH BOY! 5 minutes later we/[Me & Wife of 53 years, Shirley, {The Shirl}], were laoding my new treasure into the back of our huge SUV. What was it you ask? It is a Proctor Nieuport 11 Bebe kit, about 90% built, & I mean beautifully, I doubt that I could do better, complete with 2 pairs of Genuine Proctor 6" wire spoked wheels, & you know how scarce and expensive these wheels are, all contained in an expertly built 1/2" birch plywood storage box. I keep pinching myself; do I really own same; go out periodically to check the Bebe, & Yes She's mine,. I do own 2 more Proctor Bebe kits, + about 5 or so other Proctor kits: Antics, Antic Bibes, Mini Antic, but have been reluctant/[afraid] to start building same, as they seem to be so complex. Over the years Proctor flyers I have spoken with all luv their planes, and shrug off the building details as a new and wonderful learning experience.

And I think I need to speak to Donnyman re relocating: U say your heart is in Brooklyn, NY, OK, just think about 2-3 months ahead, U know exactly what the weather is going to be like. Texas is nice and warm, maybe floods a mite when it rains, We were in a similar state a long time ago. We lived Southen Ontario Canada, about 500 or so miles west of NYC only a few miles from the northern shore of Lake Erie; about he same Climate as NYC, finally had enuff and decided to move South, again short story Long. Moved to Phoenix, Arizona in 1980, luved it, hated the traffic, retired, and 4 yrs ago moved out to the small, quiet, frontier western goldmining town of Wickenburg, about 50 or so miles NW of Phoenix. We luv it here, have not left on any vacation trips at all. just stay home, & have a nice home on top of a hill with about a dozen huge Saharo[cowboy cactus] in my yard. It is a mite warm in summer, but then we think of the winters, [6+ months of back east], smile quietly and enjoy the heat, just turn up the AC; So d-man, give Arizona some thought.

There now, I guess I have aggravated you All enuff for one message herein, so I will close, best regards to you all from Wickenburg. Arizona,

Joe Nagy.

Telemaster Sales UK

Yes Joe, my name is David or Dave, I answer to either. My full name is David John Davis, proper Welsh innit? (Brief pause to respect the gallant Welsh Rugby Team who nearly beat the mighty South Africans in the Rugby World Cup Semi Final in Japan earlier today!)

I was usually a Dave in the workplace until I worked in a place where the office manager was called Dave Thomas. There I answered to David to avoid confusion! Mind you in one place I worked I was known as Sir David! Can't think why! I haven't sold Telemasters in the UK, actually, throughout Europe from Serbia to Ireland, since 2008. If I knew how to change my handle in this site I would.

La Coupe Des Barons will take place on 13th June next year. It seems that we will be taking a team down south again but this time, the club which has organised the event for the last fifteen years has passed the baton onto the club at Jonage near Lyon, France's second largest city, so we will have a shorter distance to travel, about 140 miles (226kms) less for the round trip.

We held a committee meeting this morning to organise some events for next year. I drove my 1974 Rover there. The meeting also co-incided with the club president's birthday so we were all forced to eat a four-course lunch with aperatifs and wine. Unfortunately for me I haven't been very well just lately. Nothing too serious just a cold which turned into a chest infection and which has hung around for three weeks but I'm on some powerful meds so reluctantly I just drank tea or water! The ladies of the club always bring cakes, puddings or other types of desert to these meetings so we all had to eat a cake, an apple tart and a chocolate mousse before we could go flying. As the clocks have just gone back there wasn't that much time for flying, I'd taken three models with me but in the end there was only time for me to fly the electric trainer. There are a lot of retired beginners in my club and I gave one of them a little instruction on taking off as he was always too brutal on the controls and somewhat dangerous to other members.

A special welcome from me Papasal.It's nice to have some fresh blood here. If you're wondering what La Coupe Des Barons is all about, it's a competition for three-channel French trainers which look a bit like WW1 monoplanes. You may see a video of it here just scroll down to "Video Coupe 2019." I prefer the 2017 video myself which is available on YouTube. Bye for now: https://saffiotipatrick.wixsite.com/vl38/les-barons

donnyman

Papasal..........Joe Nagy Welcome, pull up a chair, kick back and relax, we want to hear your complete modeling story. P'sal, one of us,(Mr. Ghostler) has a red and black ringmaster he cranks up every now and then so you can compare notes. I haven't flown one since 1960 or so and haven't covered the one on my ceiling yet.

Joe--- we have Arizona high on our list of places to move to because I was stationed at Williams field ( near Chandler ARIZ.) in the early sixties and my wife was born in Phoenix where we met and married. as most here know I would return to Brooklyn in a flash but the snow stops the both of us. If I ever get my motorhome in shape we will give Wickenburg the once over for sure! It gets pretty hot here also so no problem with that.

Let me again say WELCOME to you gentlemen, don't be shy, post some pics so we can get to know you better. I don't know about the rest of these guys but I truly enjoy going through this thread and rereading the old post it is very pleasant an fires many memories. and we have a international group, all wonderful people! ENJOY. .................................................. ........DONNY

ETpilot

Flyboy I hope you have a good stack of firewood for those cold days ahead. Temperatures here are really nice. But soon I’ll fire up the wood burning stove. Nothing like having a wood burning stove heating the house on a cold day.

I got some bad news the last couple of days. Wild hogs are on the rampage again. I’ve gotten 3 calls already and I only have one trap. I set up my trap, today, in this lady’s yard that got really torn up. I made a deal with her. She will pay for material and I will weld a new trap with priority for her needs. This is about the 3-4th time she has been hit. I’ve got material for another trap so when done I’ll have 3 traps. I haven’t been hit so far, but so long as they don’t touch my runway I’m happy.

I finally got my Something KAOS done. Covering not that good but good from a distance. In the air who cares. This is a pretty large plane for me. It still needs a canopy. So I’ll try to make one and if not then I’ll buy one. I’m mostly a DIY guy so try to make one is first. Maiden probably next year.



Next couple of airplanes will be foam built. They should not be too difficult. A hearty welcome to the new members here.

FlyerInOKC

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I like the looks of that Kaos!

donnyman

Nice lookin bird ET

40+ years ago I built a controline bird for my son it was a swordsman 18 here's a pic. I built two recently one for me, when my son saw his his could not believe how small it was I had to remind him he was seven or so years old with his first one, which he flew quite well , all seven laps and a wind blown wing over into the ground. He was smashed and never forgot it. He now has a replacement. I found the kit at a swap meet the box was a bit beat up but the kit was complete so I copied it one for each of us.

Now that the little bird is off my secondary bench I can get back to the other bird I should not have started.....A King Kobra
When This is finished I get to concentrate on this, Yeah it's a hard life but somebody hasta do it

FlyerInOKC

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(Sigh) So many airplanes so little time.

Telemaster Sales UK

Gentlemen, I considered putting the following into yesterday's post but decided to sleep on it as this post deals with a sad and serious matter.

Firstly a brief explanation about public services in my part of France and in rural France generally. Rural France is losing population rapidly. There is no work to speak of for the young, so most of them clear off to the more prosperous towns and cities. The local villages tend to co-operate to provide an acceptable standard of public services. One nearby village for example, offers a kindergarten, my village has a junior school and the town of Aigurande, (population 1600 and falling) has a college for the older children. Similarly, the post office in my village is only open in the mornings and the one in the next village is only open in the afternoons. We rub along.

About six months ago, one of our contributors, a gentleman who lives in Jamaica, posted a request for an off-cut of black Solartex. I happened to have a piece and I went to post it off to him. I found that all of the local post offices were closed. I discovered later that the young man who worked the afternoon shift in the next village had committed suicide and that all of the post offices were closed for the day as a mark of respect. He was a man in his late twenties and if I had to sum him up in one word, I would describe him as "neat." Neatly trimmed hair and beard, uniform which would pass muster with the Brigade of Guards. What caused him to take his own life I do not know.

We have two brothers in our club who look very similar. They are both members of the committee and were competitors in La Coupe Des Barons. Unless I saw them both together, when it was obvious that one was rather older than the other, I was for ever mixing them up! The elder of these two brothers had a son aged thirty; I've never met the young man. His younger brother told us yesterday at the committee meeting that this young man, his nephew, had killed himself by jumping off the viaduct, a former railway bridge, at Cluis. He leaves a wife and two small children. Even in my rural idyll some people have unbearable troubles..

I suppose it was ever thus. In 1887 AE Housman wrote:

We still had sorrows to lighten
One could not always be glad
And lads knew trouble at Knighton
When I was a Knighton lad.

Some half a dozen of us are going to the internment on Wednesday.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Imag...nUoMvsM:&vet=1

GallopingGhostler

Got one of those still, built it for my son some 20 years ago.



He had difficulty with excessive dizziness in turning the 3 second laps required for these half A's, so I got him into R/C cars instead.

FlyerInOKC

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That was the type plane I started flying with back in 1970. I bought and engine and built a profile plane because I couldn't afford one of the fancy plastic Cox airplanes.

ETpilot

Telemaster, I will never understand suicides. As a law enforcement officer I have been on many suicide scenes. Personally, it has struck close to home on a few occasions and with two good friends. I had a good friend with a promising aviation career. He was an FAA pilot examiner. He certified me as a flight instructor and later an instrument flight instructor. He became Chief pilot for the newly formed police helicopter unit. Rivalry caused a complaint to be filed against him. The complaint was later determined to be false. But the stress of the situation was too much for him to bear. He shot himself in the helicopter hangar. I still think about him from time to time.

Fast forward a few years, I’m retired visiting with another friend. During lunch the conversation of the suicide of our friend comes up. We both can not understand why or how this happens. We both agree we cannot or would not ever commit suicide.

Fast forward a few more years. I try to contact my friend with no success. After many attempts to contact, I decided to call the company where he works. The person there was very hesitant to talk to me and stated he did not work there anymore. Pressing the issue, the person finally told me that my friend had committed suicide by shooting himself. It was a very difficult day for me. I still think about them often. I still see their names on the Memorial List.

Just something I don’t understand and will never understand.

FlyerInOKC

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I have worked with the VA since 2011 and suicide is one of the most gut retching problems the Veterans are fighting. Some Vets, my son included started carrying cards with the Crisis (Suicide Prevent) Hotline on them to hand out to other Vets. I was working a convention back in 2017 and ran across a Vet in very bad shape. I was lucky enough I knew of a booth in the same convention for a program that could help her in her area. I walked her directly over there and introduced her, they got her in the program. If that was the only thing I did that trip is worth it. Veterans have some very dark places in their heads and some can't handle it well or on their own. The hardest part is get them to ask for help and to accept it.

donnyman

This picture prompted to me get one again. I remember you posting it some time ago, I have to get the pilot, canopy, wheels and lead out guides but that will have to wait. it now hangs from the ceiling.

donnyman

It is odd that you mention suicide at this time I am faced with a situation as we speak. two other times I was faced with it and did not Know what to do then as now. I do know it is a state of depression that seems to limit ones ability to reason other than submission to the urge to end it all. I have always considered it as "taking the easy way out" but I do have very limited knowledge of the subject. Depression is a very hard thing to over come, all I have been able to do is keep my mouth shut and listen with (sympathy/ frustration?) It may seem cold hearted of me but I have little patients for those that anticipate such action. maybe because I know there is next to nothing I can do that helps.

donnyman

One more subject, The U.S. has taken down the leader of isis. But I fear some worst nut will replace him. I don't know what terrorist hope to gain, resentment and revenge from the victims is the only response, the bombing of civilians in cities during ww2 proved that.

We also need to pray for those in California those fires is scary.

FlyerInOKC

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The problem with a group like ISIS is command and control is decentralized and killing a supreme leader has little long term affect. The only effect means is to eradicate the group completely. In world where military actions are limited in nature and air strikes are surgical to prevent civilian casualties, an all out unlimited war is not an option.

Telemaster Sales UK

There are many reasons why people commit suicide but common reasons include, loss of livelihood, end of relationships and debt. Then there are drink and drugs but they're often a reaction to not being able to cope.I suppose that people commit suicide when they feel that the future offers them no chance of happiness. Apparently it's a common form of early death amongst American males aged 65 or more, our age group, and the highest suicide rate is amongst white middle-aged American males. Some of these men may have been displaced by economic change. Their skills are no longer valid or valued and they are often reluctant to learn new ones to suit the current economic situation. I can speak from some experience. I lost my professional job in 2008 as a result of the Crash and the subsequent government cut-backs; I was an adult career(s) adviser. I was 60 in 2008. Though I was interviewed for several other posts, they always took a younger person, a few short-term contracts excepted.

Fortunately I've always lived very simply so although I was rather low at the time, at least I was not financially stressed. At 71 I cannot see me topping myself before my date with the Grim Reaper! Perhaps if I contract some extremely painful fatal illness, otherwise no. According to a report by the British Office for National Statistics in 2012, the most common age at death for a British male is 85 so I've got another 14 years but there are no guarantees! For a Frenchman the average age at death is 79 and for an American it's 76 apparently. Mind you you shouldn't believe everything you read.

If you love someone who's suicidal you can be there for them and perhaps you can help them find something which will bring back joy to their lives.

A final word on suicide. According to this document the American suicide rate 15.3 per 100,000 people, the rate in Great Britain is 8.9 and the rate in France nearly 18. I don't know what's happening but something is going on. https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...e/suicide-rate

My next post will be aeromodelling related. I promise.

acdii

One thing Trump did was remove the ROE that was hamstringing troops, which is what allowed them to take this evil person off the face of the earth. They already got the #2 guy, and there is a good chance that the bundles of information the raid obtained, they will soon get the #3 guy. That guy was a real POS. He took the lives of three of his children with when he blew himself up. I believe Trump when he said he want's us out of this war, so the gloves came off. This past weekend was a result of that.

Anyhow, back to the hobby. Hey Donny, how is that sander holding up for you? I see that Perma-Grit sander you have. I saw those in Toledo a few years ago and was skeptical in they would last, so never bought them. I have had diamond files that were supposed to last forever fail after a few uses.

Papasal

Hey Guys......THANK YOU for the warm welcome. As of right now I don't have ten post yet to share photos. Donnyman COME to Reno, NV.! Yes some times we do get snow,it doesn't last but a few days, but summer temps can go to over 100 degrees, but it may only last a week. Southern Nevada is always windy and over 110ish degrees. But upstate Nevada is very pleasant.....most of the time. We have two nice club fields here..... One in Carson City NV. that's a State Park! Also one near to where the Reno Air races are. Lot of events here in No. NV. Any way Thanks again guys. I really enjoy RC. Has anyone built their own radio set? I did back in the 70's. The ACE Silver Series 7ch single stick set. Man that was fun! took awhile, but it worked! Today I have what is called essential tremors , or the start of Parkinson's, not sure. My doc says that when it gets worse we'll get a scan. Right now I shake worse when I get excited. I've noticed that small screws are getting a little tough. Soldering is almost impossible, almost, I'll do it but it ain't pretty!....Lol. But back to the topic of suicide. I was there at one point in my life, and I have to say the feeling of total hopelessness can be over whelming. Being a guy and trying to make ends meet and feeding your family, and failing miserably.....many times, takes it's toll. If not for the saving power of my LORD and Savior JESUS CHRIST, I wouldn't be here right now. It's hard even to this day to talk about. But there is HOPE guys.....always hope. Today I hoped the sun would come up.......yep it sure did and even though I'm only 63, when our Great Granddaughter comes over the joy she brings to my heart can't compare to anything.....yes I said Great...... What a delight she is. AND she loves airplanes! I will teach her to fly indeed. She's only 18 months old.....so we have time. Men I'm certain we all have stories of great personal suffering. I have many Brothers in the LORD that are VETS. My youngest Son Michael is still in the United States Air Force since 1999. I'm a very proud Papa; but I know he probably has ptsd too. We say at church...."Just keep showing up". And I add it's not what you feel....your feelings will lie to you....it's what you know! I want you guys to know I'm not a religious person; I DO have a Relationship however with The Creator of my soul Jesus the Messiah. I mentioned my Dad was a POW of WWII; I've seen PTSD. It's torture. I didn't get the privilege of serving, I was sixteen with a wife and a little girl, I needed to take care of them. So I did...or tried. My daughter was 2yrs old when she went to heaven; my only blood daughter. I have two Sons now, one is a traveling RN, taking after his Grandmother my Mom. The other is Military taking after his Grandfather my Dad. My wife now Val has a Son and a Daughter. GOD has blessed me with a new Daughter and three Granddaughter's, and yes a Great Granddaughter. I am truly blessed, my Son Sal has a Daughter and they live in Texas; my Son Mike has my first Grandson and is stationed in Germany. I can keep going but I'll stop here. I do have .02 on the middle east.....but that's a topic for another forum. And yes I agree Donny...pray for our friends in California the fire's are not letting up. We're not that far from Northern California and when the wind blows just right we get the smoke that settles into the valley here. It's very sad, but like I said before.....there is hope. Thanks for listening guys.......that's important too.

GallopingGhostler

Back in 1973, I learned that balsa flew better. After a series of expensive one shot Cox RTF flights, I built and flew a Sterling Beginner's Eindecker with Cox .049 Babe Bee. I crashed it many times flying over mowed lawn grass with only having to straighten the music wire landing gear and sometimes aluminum motor mount (which Sterling replaced with a plastic nylon one later).

I've rediscovered CL flight with the larger aircraft, which are more fun. I've been dragging my feet lately, but found that my 42" Sterling Ringmaster on 50' lines a worthy flyer with mucho fun. Disfruto definitivamente. (I definitely enjoy it.)

Telemaster Sales UK

Committe Meeting, Sunday 27th October 2019. As the club president, the gentleman on the left in the glasses, celebrated his sixty-ninth birthday earlier in the week, we combined the two events.

donnyman

Those Perma-grit sanders are fantastic. I have several different shapes and want more. They sand very fast yet it is easy to control them.
I am not sure what ROE is but what ever happened I am fond of the result, other than the death of innocence.

What we call war today is confusing to me since Vietnam, far too much political influence is involved, If I had control and dispatched forces to a war zone my generals would have one rule.... WIN, and end it NOW!
I like what was once said..... "Speak softly and carry a big stick" ..... I"ll add, don't be afraid to use the stick!

donnyman

PAPASAL

I think you are on the right track, If not for JESUS CHRIST none of us would be here! And the sun will RISE no matter what, we just have to learn to appreciate it.

Please continue to post here we will listen, maybe even respond. though you may not always like the response you will find all here (so far) have said things with respect. and that's the way we like it.
You can believe YOU ARE NOT ALONE! a lot of water has flowed beneath our bridges though we may not speak to it. being able to say that alone is a blessing.

I look forward to seeing what you have in the way of pictures!

FlyerInOKC

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Papasal, I agree Faith can be a great comfort as is knowing you are never on your own! I am a Lutheran and we believe we are chosen by God and justified by Faith and not by works. Works cannot save you but where you find Faith you will find works. For Faith without works is dead.

On building radios my first radio was a Heathkit 3 channel duel stick radio with KPS-9 servos. I was wrong I must have started C/L around 1970 because the Heathkit was built in 1973. I got a deal on the kit because it was discontinued and the last one the Denver, CO Heathkit store had. I built it for a high school Electronics class project. I got an A+. A classmate on seeing my kit bought the new 3 channel single stick radio with KPS-10 servos. I'm sure he conned his parents into buying it by saying I had already bought one. We weren't the only ones building Heathkits just the only ones build R/C controls for airplanes. My first R/C airplane was a Goldberg Cessna Skylane. powered with an OS Max .20 I believe. It survive was short lived but it was well enjoyed.