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Old 02-26-2003, 06:08 PM
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/877295.asp?0cv=CB20

"HOUSTON, Feb. 25 — A provision deep within the regulations of the new Homeland Security Act is threatening to shut down the popular hobby of model rocketry because the propellant used to make the rocket’s solid-fueled motors is now classified as explosive material.

THE CHANGE IN STATUS, approved in November 2002 as an update to the Safe Explosives Act of 1970, imposes new restrictions on shipping and handling the rocket motors, which have been safely flown by thousands of students for many years.

Under the new rules, which fully take effect May 24, shipping companies are required to have every employee who might touch the rocket motors be certified, pass background checks and get fingerprinted — an added expense the companies are unlikely to bear.

United Parcel Service already has stopped shipping the more powerful versions of model rocket engines, according to Tim Van Milligan, president of Apogee Rockets in Colorado Springs, Colo.

There also are reports that some trucking and railroad firms have stopped shipping the motors, and Fed Ex employees have indicated to some model rocket flyers they likely will follow suit in the coming weeks.

“It is the heart of the problem we face. Because if manufacturers like Estes can’t get rocket motors delivered to stores, the hobby is completely dead,” Van Milligan said."
Hats off to the Bush administration for giving kids another excuse to stay inside playing video games and also for putting a few more American employers out of business
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Old 02-26-2003, 06:29 PM
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We discussed this quite a bit last week on this thread:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/showthread...469&forumid=59

Last night though, the local news ran a story about how the government thinks there may be Iraq UAVs in the US. Even interviewed Mike McMurtry (Sean's Father) who runs a LHS here.

(Realplayer Link for news story)
http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/player...eo=f2510pm2.rm]
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Nearly everything can be considered an explosive material by the gov't! Something needs to be done to stop this sort of paranoia because you know who they are coming for next.

They can take my RC planes when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!

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Originally posted by bdphil
Nearly everything can be considered an explosive material by the gov't! Something needs to be done to stop this sort of paranoia because you know who they are coming for next.

They can take my RC planes when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!

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Talk about paranoid. How much duct tape and plastic was sold recently?

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I prefer to take my RC planes from their cold dead hands!
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Old 02-26-2003, 06:44 PM
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Kind of funny actually. Our future military will need people with technical backgrounds, but those interested in technical hobbies are being "discouraged."

And so continues the dumbing of America.....
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Originally posted by bdphil
Nearly everything can be considered an explosive material by the gov't! Something needs to be done to stop this sort of paranoia because you know who they are coming for next.
What's more, it's inconsistant. Rocket motors are not explosive, the propellent burns. Something like an auto airbag on the other had does have an explosive charge as part of the gas generator.

The administration essentially dumped all explosive classes together. Now a Class B or C flammable item is in effect the same as a Class A primary high explosive. Ridiculous.
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http://www.rocketryonline.com/
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Originally posted by visioneer_one


What's more, it's inconsistant. Rocket motors are not explosive, the propellent burns. Something like an auto airbag on the other had does have an explosive charge as part of the gas generator.

The administration essentially dumped all explosive classes together. Now a Class B or C flammable item is in effect the same as a Class A primary high explosive. Ridiculous.
I don't think thats correct (disclaimer: I could be wrong). I think airbags use a solid, which when burned produces a rapidly expanding gas when ignited...sodium azide or something. Incidentally, that is the same principle as used in the rocket motor.

What makes either "explosive" is preventing the rapidly expanding gas from freely escaping. This is somewhat different than traditional "explosives" which cause a pressure wave due to the rapid expansion being so fast...whether contained or not....I think.
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Please guys, read this page:
http://www.space-rockets.com/arsanews.html

It has up-to-date news on the topic and some hope in ending this.

Also, below are the idiots repsonible for this. If they represent YOU, then call them, write them a letter, etc. But coordinate it with the above website for maximum effect.

Senate Bill 1956 Cosponsors - Senator Herb Kohl (Sponsor)
* Senator Cantwell, Maria
* Senator Durbin, Richard J.
* Senator Hatch, Orrin G.
* Senator Schumer, Charles E.

House Bill 4864 Cosponsors - Rep. James Sensenbrenner (Sponsor)
* Rep. Baldwin, Tammy
* Rep. Conyers, John Jr.
* Rep. Gallegly, Elton
* Rep. Green, Mark
* Rep. Johnson, Nancy L.
* Rep. Keller, Ric
* Rep. Pence, Mike
* Rep. Schiff, Adam B.
* Rep. Smith, Lamar
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our contry is getting rediculous if you ask me...you know when you go to the airport now you arent supposed to lock your luggage, if you do they can cut the lock off and search your bag, and they are doing random luggage searches...this is getting way out of hand...now they are taking away american freedoms!
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Originally posted by Fireslinger28
our contry is getting rediculous if you ask me...you know when you go to the airport now you arent supposed to lock your luggage, if you do they can cut the lock off and search your bag, and they are doing random luggage searches...this is getting way out of hand...now they are taking away american freedoms!
And when you leave it unlocked, and get robbed blind, its not their fault!
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Stalin said in 1945:

We will take America and never fire one shot............................

they are working on it real hard, sad, we "was" such a good nation.
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Hats off to the Bush administration for giving kids another excuse to stay inside playing video games

Along these same lines, when I first got into the hobby I was 11 and obviously needed a lot of financial help from my parents. When asked why they would spend so much money on my little hobby, my dad would always reply: "it's cheaper than bail." This hobby gave me a better alternative to staying out late and getting in trouble. Also, it kept me interested in the age old art of using my hands to make something I can be proud of rather than numbing my brain with video games and TV. While probably no longer true that I need airplanes to keep my out of trouble, what's to say there aren't numerous kids in the same place I was 8 years ago?
I apologize for ranting on my own personal beliefs, but I too am one who is upset with the people in charge for taking away our freedoms and putting fear in our heads.
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That model rockets aren't radio controlled, something tells me they will be getting banned at some other places..
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Well it's a good thing... (post # 16)

That model rockets aren't radio controlled, something tells me they will be getting banned at some other places..

<<<<<<<<<<,

Some are. I have a SR 71 model that is controlled by 2 channels, and fires off like a rocket. Trouble is the engines are around $6 each and so it hangs on the wall. However it was rather exciting. Went up fast and came down at about half-fast!!

Actually it was pretty easy to land as long as the speed was kept up until about 5 ft. off the ground where a gentle round-out could be performed.

Yep, while I am a strong conservative, IMO Bush is just like his father -- another AH. Total control over the populace. It has been planned since WW II that we return to a few kings and a lot of serfs. They're getting there.

Comes the revolution we all can be serfs???
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Hummm!

Looks like most of the sponsers of this bill are democrates!
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There is 'corrective legislation' being introduced to excuse certain items (specifically model rocket engines) from the Safe Explosives Act. I forget who's introducing it but it's in the other thread. Should be no need to panic or be up in arms about it.
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Thanks for the info, Ryan.

Keep the political jabs out of this, fellas. If they continue, the thread will be closed. Thanks for your cooperation.
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Hummm!

Looks like most of the sponsers of this bill are democrates!
Gee, imagine that.

Mike, while R/C related, this topic is political!
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Thats typical, take MORE of our rights away-yet they are still selling BOXCUTTERS!, which is one of the reasons i'm in med school right now.

Check out my alias, I used to fly for an airline.
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If it wasn't for model rockets 30 years ago I wouldn't be this hobby today. I have three daughters who enjoy building and launching rockets. I may have missed it but what is AMA doing about this?
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Well people in Iraq are not alowed pencils as they might poison everyone with the lead, so try see it from their eyes. If you go along with all of this 'war on terrorism' thing, it means that you are with it 100%. That means that you support it when you get good things out of it, and you support it when you have to make a sacrifice. Its not all peaches and cream, and if you want this to happen, you have to make a sacrifice.
However, I don't support it. It is stupid, just like the rest of the war on terrorism. It is designed to scare people, so to justify a huge defence budget, to line their own pockets. Being people inside the hobby, we know how harmless they are, yet, to any other person they will be made 'afraid'. It has worked so far. Model Rocketry is still legal, just harder to import. Fireworks are illegal over here, but that doesn't mean there are non on new years......Its a pity that a small hobby like this should be effected by the desire for money.
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Come on, people in Iraq can't have pencils because of lead? I may be totally wrong but I don't think lead has been used in penciles in a very long time. They are now graphite. Sounds like your trying to spread some type of urban leagend. And as far as trying to scare people I think that was accomplished on 9/11. Also this is not an all or nothing thing as you say. They can come up with some things to help protect our country (which is good) but they can also cross the line such as in the case with model rockets. I will get off my soap box now. No disrespect was ment by any of my coments.
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