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http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/

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Ethanol is the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to gasoline. Just do some searches on the internet about Ehanol, and you will find some very interesting reading. Or, just ask any mechanic.:eek:

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We have station in town that sells 100% ethanol free gas that I've always bought my gas for my planes from  I think it's time I start buying all my gas from now on from them. :eek:<div>
</div><div>Ken</div>

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We still have 2 places in town, besides 1 of the marinas, that still sell ethanol free fuel. Sometimes a little more money, but I still buy from them.

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330,000 miles on my 1993 Cherokee off of gasoline from 7-11 without any tuneups, same injectors, no fuel additives, no magic oils, no magic oil filters, etc. Nothing but the cheapest that money can buy for this 260 cubic inch 190 hp station wagon.
What type of gas does 7-11 sell..?

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Yeah, been using E10 for a really long time in multiple cars and pickups with zero problems. Also in small Honda engines and Kawasaki 4 wheeler and all run great.

Triple A would not be my first choice of info. They are there to scare people, that is how they sell their product.

Normal regular gas has about 114,000 BTU
E10 has about 112,000 BTU
E15 has about 109,000 BTU of energy per gallon.
Diesel fuel has about 130,000 BTU of energy.

Why does the BTU matter? Well consider the difference between gas and diesel fueled vehicles. All things being equal, a diesel powered vehicle gets about 30% more mileage per gallon of fuel. But the fuel only accounts for 14% more energy than gasoline. So why does the vehicle get more mpg with diesel? It's the compression ratio of a diesel engine vs the low compression of a gasoline engine. The higher compression an engine operates at, the higher the thermal efficiency.

With 87 octane gas, you are limited to very poor compression ratio to avoid knocking. An engine that is set-up for flex-fuel is a very poor idea, because it could easily operate at 12 to 1 compression, but because it also must run on 87 octane, it is limited to about 9 to 1. So you are really not using E85 to it's best advantange.

Finally about the so called "phasing". Sounds like BS to me. For some reason it doesn't happen with E10 which is close to the same, and strangely it also doesn't happen with E85 which is nearly all ethanol.

A strange thing about E10. If you take 9 gallons of gasoline and add 1 gallon of ethanol, how many gallons of E10 have you made? If you say 10 gallons, you are incorrect. It only makes about 9 1/2 gallons, which is why E10 has over 98% of the energy content of regular gasoline.

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It's on FOX,why would you believe anything Glen Beck's network tells you?

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Years ago I heard that E10 would dry up and prematurely ruin all neoprene seals, diaphrams, hoses, etc.
Interesting to see what a slight difference in BTUs means in terms of MPG.

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Here is an interesting fact about oil:

In the past 140 years since oil has been used, about 1.1 trillion barrels of oil has been used. (1100 billion barrels)
This sounds like a huge amount of oil, but if you put all that oil into containers that measure 1 mile per side (a cubic mile), it would only fill 42 cubic miles. Much smaller number, just 42 containers of 1 cubic mile each.

Still sounds like a lot?

Well, if you spread all that oil over the entire surface of the Earth, how thick would resulting oil film be?

When you run all the numbers, it come out to be 0.0135 inch, thinner than 4 sheets of copier paper from your printer. Actually a single sheet of copier paper is 0.004" thick, so it is closer to the thickness of 3 sheets.

That not the amount of oil we use each year, it's the amount that has been used the last 140 years.

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The hose and gasket thing is no longer a problem since modern trucks and automobiles are now designed to run on alcohol blended fuel up 85% (E-85) so the components are designed with that in mind. My new F-150 has a Flex Fuel engine that can use E-85 but the owners manual states there is a drop in power and fuel economy by using the stuff. Keep in mind that an engine specifically designed to run on alcohol can produce significantly more power than a gasoline fueled engine of the same displacement, recall the alcohol dragsters from the mid 1960's until the 1990's.

Alky is here to stay so if you want to run it in a gas engine on an RC model you need to raise the compression ratio slightly by milling the head. Also, change the fuel air mixture to get the most power out of it. Doing this will actually soup it up.

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I know if I put today's fuel in any of my motorcylces, boat or lawn equipment -it tends to screw them up and almost becomes granulated when I don't crank them up every month-just pulled carb off of my boy's honda 230 for the 2nd time in 6 months it was running lean and would not idle-clean carb and runs good again -I have tried using stabil and seafoam and it still tends to crud up every three-six months if not ran. The residue in the carb was flakey and granular it looked like old pieces of tite bond glue after it has dried

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I love Ethanol! It really spices up my drinks!

Seriously, I have a ton of two and four stroke lawn equipment and gas aircraft and have had no issues in any of them. I have a Weed Wacker from 1984 that still runs great! Never have rebuilt the carb. In Ohio E10 is all I ever see at the gas station.

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I don't know what your putting in the tank but it sounds like you the problem is not the fuel. If you're going to store equipment for six months you might want to drain the tank. I have never had any fuel related issues in ten years since they have been pumping 10% ethanol in any of my cars, trucks, bikes, or lawn equipment, never once.

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Stuck with that crud in Illinois too. Tends to dry out Zenoah carb diaphragms.

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9 gallons plus 1 gallon equals 9 1/2 gallons. Hm mmmm must be some new kind of math?

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This is a common lab experiment. Mix 1 unit volume of ethanol and 1 unit volume of water and mix well. Then measure the resulting volume, and it is 1.92 units of volume, not 2.0 units. This is due to the difference in size of water and ethanol molecules. Gasoline works this way too with ethanol, so you end up with a smaller volume than the volume of the two parts mixed together.

Oil companies get about 3% more volume of gasoline from a barrel of oil when they can mix in ethanol. And it is a lower octane too, since the ethanol brings it up to the standard 87 octane. Of course if you live in a mountain state, you may be buying 85 octane fuel because of the lower air pressure.

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Hey guys,  Recently visited the most respected small engine repair shop in town.  He stated that over 90 % of all repairs on mowers, weedeaters, ect are now  fuel related.  He said that alot of the carbs are still clogged up after cleaning them and have to be replaced with new carbs.  Advised to always keep your fuel tanks full of gas to prevent condensation to bond with ethanol.  He stated an easy test to see if your gas station actually has pure gas is.   Use a cheap glass rain gauge.    Put exactly one inch of water in it.  put 3 inches of gas in it.  wait 15 minutes.  if the water level rises and fuel becomes cloudy your gas has ethanol in it. 

Hope this helps     later

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Ethanol in gasoline has to be one of the biggest scams in history. It serves no purpose other than to help the ethanol producers.

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This problem goes all the way back to Fred Flinstone's day. The solvents of pure gasoline evaporate away and leave a gummy varnish inside the carb.
I don't doubt that 90% of his repairs are fuel related, with modern engine improvements there isn't much left to repair except for lazy owner/operator type issues.

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This is exactly right. I am a small engine mechanic by trade and for the past 2 years, most of my work is fuel related. The ethanol absorbs water, then settles out of the gas. You end up with water/ethanol mix, that turns to a jelly, at the bottom of the float bowl, or tank and low octane fuel on top. The water causes corrosion and the jelly stops up jets. About half the time, I can just flush out the fuel system, and save everything, but the other half is replacement, as the corrosion clogs the passages (especially on the newer EPA lean burning motors), and they cannot be cleaned. The diapram carbs can almost never be saved anymore.
Here are few pics of what I see on a daily basis. The white balls are ethanol "jelly".

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PLUS 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ad infinitum.

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The biggest problem with ethanol is we are we taking food and making something else out of it that is abundant (energy in the form of oil) when people need that food. Even the UN told us to stop. What a terrible joke.

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Those photos look just like the sludge inside the float bowls of the 1930 Tillotson carbs back in the 1930s and all other carbs I've looked inside of since then..

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I think it's time I start buying all my gas from now on from them.  http://www.dvxs.info/1a8.jpg

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The UN is crying about all the 85 IQ people who continue to have 4-5 children and who have no hope of getting fed from the sweat of their own parents labor. Why should WE be held accountable for the stupidity of others..?

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Hey combatpigg you are right. We should just be held accountable to our own stupidity. Have you checked the prices at the grocery store lately?

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Check this out combatpigg.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...corn-low_N.htm

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I am never shocked by food prices. I am shocked by fuel prices. With common sense you can see that fuel prices dictate the cost of everything else. You don't need to plug your brain into the news media every night to figure that out.
Have you ever managed 1000 acres of land..? If so, who is supposed to DICTATE to you how you should decide to earn your keep and work your land..?
Your idealism would have been right in lock step with the Soviet's failed scheme.
The Mall Rat Cubicle types who read USA Today have their own version of reality, but the 5% who are the real producers have their own version as well.
I only hope that Social Darwinism eventually wins out when SHTF.
Let's first IGNORE the problem of the one's who spawn 4-5 children per family who have no hope or CAPABILITY of feeding their own and then that problem will eventually prove unsustainable and it will go away.
This attitude might require me to defend what is mine, but I will rather live like that type of a man than the type who tries to pay "ransome" to placate the 85 IQers who might threaten your tranquility if you don't gibs dem dat..

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Nobody, and I mean nobody, but the EPA, the corn lobby , and the ethanol producers, support ethanol. The Sierra Club, you know, the tree huggers, don't even support it, because it's production, causes more pollution, than it prevents. Every auto manufacturer, domestic or foriegn are against it. The only reason there is even production, is because of government subsidies.
You people need to get your heads out of the sand, and do some research.
Ethanol is only good for those who's pockets are being lined.

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So, you see this as just an evil, self serving, get rich quick plot of Uncle Sam's...?

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forget using this crap.go to webstie called pure-gas.org..it gives names and address of gas stations selling etanol free gas.in my area there are several.its inthe 4.oo plus range but thats cheap.they usually have the gas for race vehicles but will gladly sell you the etanol free gas no problems.my engines hve never seen regular gas.

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Which network (or other source) do you trust?

Jess

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CP is correct that energy costs drive the cost on everything else. The real driver of cost of products made from corn is not the ethanol industry, but the increadible amount of corn, soybeans, wheat, and rice that are exported to Asian markets. There was not much demand for corn before ethanol and exports, but thanks to all the jobs exported to China and India and a number of other up and coming countries, corn prices finally got above the cost of production. Now that those countries have developed a middle class working on production lines that used to be here, they want a better diet and now have the money to buy it. So the next time you are buying food and clothes at Wally World, your food costs more and the socks and tee shirts cost less because it's a world economy.

If you are paying $4/gallon for "real gas" without ethanol, fine by me. I'll keep using E10 for $3.05/gallon and be equally happy.

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<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">If Food production is so important then why did the US ship over 50 million metric tons of corn to forgin countries than ever before ... that was before the drought of 2012</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">of course. another question why does Brazil have only Ethonal or Disele for fuel, No gasoline? Don't Indy Cars use Methonal same as Nitro Motors?</span></span></span>
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It takes .85 gallons of diesel fuel to produce the corn to make one gallon of ethanol. E85 and E10 are a way for the government to look like they are doing something about oil dependence, not a way to actually solve the problem. If someone were to design tractors that would run on pure ethanol we might have something, but that creates a whole host of other problems.

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$3.05 a gallon for E-10 ! We're paying $3.80 for it in upstate N.Y.
It may be isolated to my Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi but I get 100 miles +/- more per tankful with Non Ethanol fuel than I do with the E-10 and the only place I can still get it is Vermont which for whatever reason sells the non Ethanol for the same price as the E-10.
Yes maybe most places sell the non E-10 for a premium over the E10 but to me it would be worth it just purely due to the extra mileage, why else would BP, EXXON, MOBil and the lot be boasting astronmical profits and claiming that E-10 is the wonder cure for the environment, HMMMM 25% decrease in mileage equals a 25% increase in net sales equals Uncle Sam gets a 25% increase in taxes collected on said fuel EVERYTIME it changes hands right on down to the guy pumping it in his tank.
Just a personal observation but if you ask me E-10 is nothing more than a money maker for everyone involved EXCEPT the end user who takes it in the backside.

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It's not the government nor EPA that wants it. It is the corn lobby and the politicians that are influenced by the corn lobby.

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My natural instinct is to oppose any thing favored by the UN. That organization has zero regard for the well-being of the US. In the case of ethanol, however use of corn to make alcohol for fuel is patently ridiculous for this nation, especially in time of drought. Watch beef prices in coming months.

I have little interest in the affairs of other nations, but it would seem that use of ethanol as fuel makes more sense in places like Brazil where the abundance of sugar cane lends to far more efficient alcohol production.

jess

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$3.80 a gallon, you are getting it from the Empire state too! You also have the worst road system of any state that I have lived in, I partly because of terrain, partly due to the fact that everything was laided out two centuries ago. The three years I lived and drove in Rochester were interesting compared to Kansas, Texas, California, and Virginia. However, hard to get lost in upstate NY, since it seemed like every road was named for the two towns it connected, but never went around. So for someone used to much wider spaces, it seemed like stop and go driving. Although it was refreshing having moved there from California that at least you have the "go" part of driving. I would tell friends out there that a traffic jam was three cars together all going the speeding limit, while in California you sat on roads marked for much higher speeds and moved a couple car lengths at a time. Ugh!

Unfortunately for the consumer, what we call "regular gasoline" is a complex blend of lots of chemicals and there is no standard formula. Worst yet, the oil companies have had enough time to figure out that they can put out a poorer product, yet meet the requirements of octane with the addition of ethanol which boost octane levels. Since the addition of E10 products the oil companies are getting 3% more gas from a barrel of oil that they could not use before.

So I would bet that if you took the so called pure gas and mixed 9 gallons of it with a gallon of pure ethanol, you would not see more than a 2% drop in fuel mileage. But the commerically sold E10 may be all over the map, depending on what their blend is and your geographic region. Because the last time I heard, when they spike fuel prices on one coast or another, they claim that prices go up because each little region has it's own blend due to EPA regulations.

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if any of you want methonal..........not ethonal, in small quanities it's called HEET. can be bought at wawa stores pep boys etc. it's in the yellow bottle. [not iso heat either] it must be HEET in the bright yellow bottle. it's 100% methonal. it's used as gas line anti freeze.........RON