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Old 08-20-2011, 06:02 AM
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I've never seen a CL build Thread?

Why is that? Or are they someplace else?

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Old 08-20-2011, 06:08 AM
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Most CL activity is over on Stuka Stunt or one of the other specialized forums... just too few of us checking in here to make it likely that we would post a build thread here.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:18 AM
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Check out Stunt Hangar.com
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:36 AM
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I know Stuka Stunt.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:38 AM
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Laughing... some of the good ones visit here.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:39 AM
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EDIT! But you got it!
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Old 08-20-2011, 04:16 PM
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I have one on here! I answered another modelers question and ended up posting the whole build here besides on Stunt Hangar forum. My Avatar shows the model, I am 5 Ft 8 In, the Taube is 7 Ft 4 In.
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How is this? In 1960 I wanted to build a Messerschmitt -262 and there were no kits on it. So I found a picture of a 3 view and made mine from it with a 48 inch wing span.
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That looks very good. Howcome it is built to fly clock wise? How was it to fly?
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Royf,

I believe there was an Me-262 (tail-dragger!) prototype with a single, propellor engine. ...To confirm the flying abilities while waiting for the turbine engines to be provided. (There were some problems, there. And their TBO (time between overhauls) was "rather brief," too.)

Pretty model! In 1980, wife, kids and I saw an Me-262 in a static display at Frankfurt/Rhein-Main Airport when we flew home from my final Army tour in Germany. No idea how authentic the displayed aircraft were. Shoddy construction. Coarse surfaces. An He-111 alongside the Me was just as awful.

Your Me is much, much nicer to look at.
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Air Classics Nov. 2011 Volume 47, #11 has a great article on the recently refurbished STORMBIRD which completed its 25 hour FAA required Flight Test Program, on Aug. 31, 2011. Beautiful pictures.

Maybe not for you Masters, but for me I could not even think about mastering that camo. scheme on a model. OTOH what judge could tell if it's good or bad from 15 ft. Oh, yes, some THINK they can but what the heck? Quiet the project for twin electric ducted fans.
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Royf,

I believe there was an Me-262 (tail-dragger!) prototype with a single, propellor engine. ...To confirm the flying abilities while waiting for the turbine engines to be provided. (There were some problems, there. And their TBO (time between overhauls) was "rather brief," too.)

Pretty model! In 1980, wife, kids and I saw an Me-262 in a static display at Frankfurt/Rhein-Main Airport when we flew home from my final Army tour in Germany. No idea how authentic the displayed aircraft were. Shoddy construction. Coarse surfaces. An He-111 alongside the Me was just as awful.

Your Me is much, much nicer to look at.
Lou, you're right about the tail-dragger ME262. Several of the early 262s were tail-draggers. And, those planes at Rhein-Main are actual combat planes from WW2 - they all flew in the war. The HE-111, for one, took part in the bombing of Stalingrad. Downstairs at the far East end of the terminal are also a BF-109G and a JU-87 Stuka. You wanna talk about "rough" finishes on a plane, you should see the Stuka. Almost nothing on the plane fits together flush. One of the "seasoned" (don't like the "o" word - I'm too close to being in that category) airport workers there told me that during much of the war they were putting planes together so fast they actually left stuff out, replaced with rough sheet metal.

I was stationed in W. Berlin, Sembach AB, Wiesbaden &Stuttgart - flew out of R-M regularly throughout my USAF career.

BTW, I agree with you - Royf's 262 looks GREAT!

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Finally saw a CL build. I was just looking in the wrong places.

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Finally saw a CL build. I was just looking in the wrong places.

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Old 10-18-2011, 11:33 AM
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Just google Stuka Stunt or Stunthanger.

You will find two good CL Forum websites.



So go for it!

Look for me there!
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ORIGINAL: Avaiojet

Just google Stuka Stunt or Stunthanger.

You will find two good CL Forum websites.



So go for it!

Look for me there!
My handle onStunthanger isKenP51.Good site. I think I have posted just once. I have looked atStuka Stunt., but not joined.


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Old 10-18-2011, 01:42 PM
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I see you have a goodly number of post onStunthangerAvaiojet.
I have other irons in the fire right now including a rc build (thread on this site) and have been out of control line for some time now, but really getting the urge to return.
I have a rc wing (the rest of the plane is long gone) that is about 10" x 50" 500sq".
The only engine that I have that even comes close is a st .34 rc. I could quickly convert and slightly lighten ithe wing although it is reasonably lite now. It has a fairly thick symetrical airfoil (about 18%). A built up fuse and tail would make a fairly lite plane.
Does the st .34 sound like enough power to make a nice flying stunter with that wing?
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If you can keep the weight down it should fly fine. I had an own design 540 square inch, 48 oz airplane with a Fox stunt 35, which I thought flew wonderful. I built a second one, got the weight down to 42 oz, and realized that the first one was a lead sled, so to speak. I still competed with the first one on windy days, as the second one was not a good wind airplane. Your engine is probably more powerful than a Fox stunt 35.
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If you can keep the weight down it should fly fine. I had an own design 540 square inch, 48 oz airplane with a Fox stunt 35, which I thought flew wonderful. I built a second one, got the weight down to 42 oz, and realized that the first one was a lead sled, so to speak. I still competed with the first one on windy days, as the second one was not a good wind airplane. Your engine is probably more powerful than a Fox stunt 35.
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I have a rc rebuild going on now that I have to finnish before I start any thing else.
And my working time on that is severely curtailed at the moment as we are moving to another apartment in a week or 2.
But I agree the st must have at least as much (likely more) power than a fox .35, way newer design. So I will use that wing to build a control line plane around.
Will do a build thread when I start.
Dang I am looking foward to it.
Now to start looking at designs to get some rough numbers from tail feathers and moment arms. Built up tail feathers, light sheet box fuse. Wing can carry the L.G.
I think the wing may have been a small ugly stick or something similar. Once I strip the covering I can start removing some material to reduce weight. I will shoot for low 40 something ounces.

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At Stuka Stunt, Leonard has venturi's and other engine accessories that can help you convert an R/C engine to CL.

I would straighten the wing.

Great beginning though. CL guys are as helpful as RC guys. Modelers are modelers!

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Dihedral is OK, just know that the leadout exits need to be at the height of the vertical CG. Find some of Al Rabe's posts on building near scale suburb flying CL stunt airplanes with dihedral.
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Yeah I was thinking of mountig the wing kind of mid wing like a Extra 300. Maybe just below middle to compensate for the dihedral. And then bring the leadouts out, out the top part of the tips. I know we usually put them on the bottom for looks, but for flying perfomance I think the top is were they need to be.
The real fly in the ointment is this bird has to be have a removable wing. I got to be able to store the plane and even more important get it in the car, PT Cruiser plus 1 or 2 passengers, Wife and son. I see a removable mid wing as haveing a structurely weaker or and heavier fuse. I could mount it from the bottom with a removable lower section of fuse that could bolt back on after attaching the wing. I think if I bolted it at 4 points to the bottom of the wing (2 near L.E. and 2 near T.E.) and also at 4 points to the rest of the fuse (2 just fowar of wing and 2 just aft of wing), that would make the fuse structurally 1 piece.
The drawing is rather crude but maybe it shows what I am thinking
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The real fly in the ointment is this bird has to be have a removable wing.
I think you are roughly on the right track. The removable section is probably better with wing and bottom of fuselage as one piece, like in the attached plan and article (1.58MB PDF file). I found that file ... somewhere on the internet.
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The real fly in the ointment is this bird has to be have a removable wing.
I think you are roughly on the right track. The removable section is probably better with wing and bottom of fuselage as one piece, like in the attached plan and article (1.58MB PDF file). I found that file ... somewhere on the internet.
Now that is a way better ideal. Ilike it a lot. Ilike that plane

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you got it!
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