grotto2

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This should be easy...

Jim Thomerson

I have a # 3 and two # 2's.

grotto2

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It was a little hard to find an unbuilt kit. I watched eb@y for years until one surfaced, then made duplicate parts from the kit to build this.

I had one when I was 11-12. Never got it to fly.

controlliner

I believe it was a Carl Goldberg product.

grotto2

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Nope.

BtnFlyGuy

Ican't name it, but that thing is so "old-school" ugly it's gorgeous! Me want to build one!
Planes light, lines tight...

grotto2

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You have to be willing to carve. That wing's solid balsa!

BtnFlyGuy

My "other" hobbies are woodworking and boatbuilding so Ican handle a plane pretty well for shaping a solid wing, but it would make a pretty nifty traner with a simple built-up flat bottom wing for the novice builder/flyer. Is the fuse also a solid slab? I'd build the fuselage similar to a hollow core door, downsize it a bit and hang a .15 on it. (I love those li'l beasties!) The front end certainly looks rugged and the upright engine promotes easy startups. The wheels are turning already!.
After someone guesses the pedigree of this thing, could you let us have the particulars?

controlliner

Tell us, tell us, the suspense is killing me..........oh , and do you have the plans?

grotto2

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I'm certain Jim nailed it, as he has three of them. And he was classy enough not to say right off and spoil the fun.

It's a Guillows Trainer.

There were three sizes made: #1 for .049, #2 was .10-.15 and #3 was for .19-.36.

There are not plans so much as instructions for assembly, being marketed to juniors. What I have is in pretty sad shape, but I'll try to post something soon.

-Ron

Oh-And the reason I never got it to fly? It had a 'weekend' McCoy 35 in it.

BtnFlyGuy

Cracks me up...I truly knew it but was hesitant to toss it out until I found out about the solid wing. I'm easily bluffed at cards, too.

grotto2

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Assembly instructions.

grotto2

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Plan. Note 80% scale!

proptop

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I had the small one...baby bee .049
A friend has the middle one with an .09 Diesel...

At least they fly better than they look

grotto2...yours looks nice, finish wise, but...I think you know what I mean

Kind of a "utilitarian" design, huh!?

For a while, we had throttle on a Cox .049, and my nephew could get the small one to hover/fly laps at a crawling speed with the nose pointing about 85 degrees up from level...sometimes could get it to go backwards...[8D]
I think I still have parts of that one around here somewhere...

grotto2

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I understand completely. Marry a homely woman and dress her up nice.

Jim Thomerson

Some figures on the #3. Span 35 in, chord 8 at fuse, 6 1/2 at tip (fixed flap),wing to nose tip 5 1/4, wing to front of stab 5 1/2, stab span 15 1/2, chord 5 tapering to 4, fuse 3/4 wide, 2 in high. Rudder 3 1/2 high. Such a trainer is easy to build and very sturdy. I'm recovering from some leg problems, and went out Sunday to fly for the first time since early June. Flew my #2 with McCoy 19 on 65 ft lines. Flew three fights and did not crash nor fall down.

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Jim-

Can you tell us more about the specs for #2? I was going by memory on the displacements in the previous post, so I'm not certain about that, even. Wingspan, length of #2?

-Ron

Gungadin

I had the Guillows Profile Trainer #1 with a OK Cub .074. Flew it on 25" Dacron lines. Must have had 30 or 40 flights on it when I was about 12 yrs. old, before I did it in learning to do loops.

Schultz

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I've owned three of the #2's and sold the last of these at a swap meet last winter. Got that one at a garage sale for a buck. It had a Fox 35 on it!! They had a preformed wing and fuselage made of very hard balsa and a preshaped engine crutch made of hard pine or some variety of hardwood. Flew mine on 52' .012" lines with an OS 15. They will loop and fly inverted if you are very careful.

Jim Thomerson

There is a #3 kit on ebay. Guillow basic trainer 3 should find it.

grotto2

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What a coincidence!
Actually, there's a bit more than that. Two #3s and one #2.

Bill Rademacher

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This is such a coincidence-

My incoming stepfather bought one of these for me when I was 7 or so, about 1968, and I put it together not even knowing how to do modeling, etc. I had it for a few years, never flown, and then lost track of it when I entered the service. I have been looking and looking for information for it for years and years.

I have to get one of these and build it, and fly it. It's like unfinished business... Mine had a cox 15 on the nose, never even started it.

unbelievable

billrad

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Looks like yet another one has turned up on that auction site.

Hossfly

Here is a site where OLD Kits can be found.

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?mat=balsa

At this time there are 32 pages with some 20 +/- kits per page for the link ending in balsa. THEY DO BE PRICY in most cases. However there are many items for the particular modeler looking for a specific item. BTW this is NOT an auction. [8D]

There are many different classifications/ lists of items there, so look around a bit.

Good luck!

DaveSR71

That is one nice Guillows Trainer 3!

Mine did not look that good 50 years ago and now looks even worse!

This thing still being around and mostly in one piece speaks well for its durability.

I know that the McCoy .35 was buried in the sod 5-6 times a day with all that was needed for the next flight was straightening of the T.F. 10x6 nylon prop and cleaning the mud out of the intake.

You know this thing will almost kinda sorta fly inverted? That's how you get mud in the intake!

If ever I get caught up building stunt planes guess I will have to restore the old thing.

Thanks for the memories grotto!