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    Bad Day

    Couple of club members.....don't know much about the plane other than I thought I should video it...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tPAnrGr06Y
    Drop the puck already!!!!!!!!

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    RE: Bad Day

    Bummer! Cool plane!
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    RE: Bad Day

    What the heck happened??? I'm guessing, but maybe the left fus had more weight in it & made her roll-over. Just a guess. The wind sounded kinda strong, but not THAT strong.
    Too much horsepower- Just right !!!

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    RE: Bad Day

    Sounds like one engine was not pulling as hard as the other. What a shame.

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    RE: Bad Day

    Yeah, that was a real cool looking plane!!
    Too much horsepower- Just right !!!

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    RE: Bad Day

    I think that was a F-82 (?) twin Mustang. Looks like he lifted too soon and turned too early. Most warbirds need to be flown a little faster than sport planes do.

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    RE: Bad Day


    ORIGINAL: daveopam

    Sounds like one engine was not pulling as hard as the other. What a shame.

    david


    Yes and I suspect it was a tad tail heavy as well. Sorry for your loss. Is it repairable? It would be a great rebuild and modification thread for the winter. I'd also install retracts to even make the plane more awsome.


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    RE: Bad Day

    What a shame, did someone yell "hold full up elevator" in the background?
    Poor advice...

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    RE: Bad Day

    ORIGINAL: Mr Cox

    What a shame, did someone yell ''hold full up elevator'' in the background?
    Poor advice...


    Yes, but I'm not sure who they were talking to, could have been someone else other than the pilot of that plane. But your right- it was bad advice if that was the case.


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    RE: Bad Day

    It always helps when you're in a bad situation and some clown yells while you're trying to recover. I do like the guy right after that that says that at least now he has two P-51s.
    K-Bob. The K is silent. \"The only time you can have too much fuel is if you are on fire\"

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    RE: Bad Day

    Too bad. The plane looked generally pretty unstable in flight.

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    RE: Bad Day

    The plane looked to be in a stall from the moment it left the ground, the tail didn't
    come up before it was lifting off. Tail sould have come up before up elevator was
    applied and a gentle climb out before turning was attempted, that would have given
    the pilot time to determine what trim changes would be needed while gaining altitude
    and making them. Up elevator is only held on continuously during taxiing only, once
    the plane is lined up for take-off no up elevator is needed until the tail comes off the
    ground and the plane has reached enough speed so that the wing and stabalizer are
    both in the "Flying Mode" otherwise you are inducing a stall, especially on a warbird.
    A tough lesson to learn, hopefully the plane is repairable, one of my favorite twins is
    the P or F-82 twin Mustang.

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    RE: Bad Day

    I wonder if the ailerons were reversed. That is the first thing I would look for.

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    RE: Bad Day


    ORIGINAL: daveopam

    Sounds like one engine was not pulling as hard as the other. What a shame.

    david
    I've flown a lot of twins and I agree Dave. One engine running poorly and insufficient speed led to a stall-spin scenario. Getting more speed on the runway and a shallow departure straight out for a bit longer to build up more speed would have helped. Onward ever!
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    RE: Bad Day



    Could certainly have been quite a few issues, the obvious one we pick are "twin troubles" ... but could it have been a bit 'tail heavy' ?? ...would we ever know?

    Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor

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    RE: Bad Day

    He was fighting the rudder so hard it was not only scrubbing airspeed, but pitching the nose every time. I could not see an obvious signs of tail heavy. Most tail heavy planes have little to no aile control. The ailes looked to be working fine till it stalled. IMHO

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    RE: Bad Day

    So if there's space to make a forced landing,is it normal practice for aircraft susceptible to asymmetric engine problems which is quite noticeable by this stage of its flight, to just cut throttle, nose down level wings and kiss the dirt on an even plane rather than continuing to tryfighting it to stay airborne when there's area to land? Just wondering, or was it just a call that he made at the time? I find this interesting.
    Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor

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    RE: Bad Day

    Yeh, I wached the vid again.... Agreed!

    ORIGINAL: Oberst


    ORIGINAL: daveopam

    Sounds like one engine was not pulling as hard as the other. What a shame.

    david


    Yes and I suspect it was a tad tail heavy as well. Sorry for your loss. Is it repairable? It would be a great rebuild and modification thread for the winter. I'd also install retracts to even make the plane more awsome.


    Pete
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    RE: Bad Day

    If I were flying it and the rudder could not trim it out, I would cut power and stop climbing. Not chop the throttle, but reduce power until I could manage the yaw. The results could have been the same as the video. But the odds would have been better. With the engines at 1/3 throttle the pull from the good engine would not be as drastic. Plus as any glow guy knows the lean engine may have settle down. At least long enough to get it on the ground.
    It's easy to arm chair quarterback this video. I mean no offense to whoever was on the sticks.


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    RE: Bad Day

    Agreed !


    ORIGINAL: daveopam

    If I were flying it and the rudder could not trim it out, I would cut power and stop climbing. Not chop the throttle, but reduce power until I could manage the yaw. The results could have been the same as the video. But the odds would have been better. With the engines at 1/3 throttle the pull from the good engine would not be as drastic. Plus as any glow guy knows the lean engine may have settle down. At least long enough to get it on the ground.
    It's easy to arm chair quarterback this video. I mean no offense to whoever was on the sticks.


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    RE: Bad Day


    Another peanut gallery induced crash.

    "Up elevator" guy should pay half of the damages.


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    RE: Bad Day



    crashed






    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaK1trKs2Vw



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