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fly2smile 10-28-2012 01:14 AM

Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417" after crash
 
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Normally I do start my Piper at full throttle to evitate any kind of problems during the start.
That's very safe for the plane but it just doesn't look scale when you start like that. So after
years of starts at full throttle I wanted to start her slowly. Not being used to that procedure
and facing the end of the runway I pulled the elevator to hard and suddenly had her torquing
some feet over ground.

The motor is strong enough to torque and so for some seconds I gave full throttle but didn't
manage to stabilize her and so - in a moment when she was only a few feet over ground - I
pulled the throttle back totally.

My PIPER "landed" on the tip of her left wing and thenshe harshlytouched ground with the
tail wheel and then forwards on her propeller. So the left wing, the tail wheel and the
propeller were the parts that were damaged.
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Rebuilding the left wing

</span>The first we did was to remove the plastic sheet. The first diagnose then was that the damages
looked much worse than what it would actually take to repare them and so we optimistically
scheduled an afternoon's workto fix it.

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351411418

First we repaired the fins that were broken without any material lacking. Wepulled them back
into their original position and joined them with superglue. For that we used a hollow needle
with the superglue bottle; that way we can allocate the superglue very precisely and we can
inject superglue into the woods as well. Inner healing . . .

Then we looked after the wing ear which had suffered most through the crash.

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412033

From ply wood (2mm) we made a reinforcement . . .

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412402

. . . adjusted . . .

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412394

. . . and then glued it.

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412580

Then the badly injured binding piece (holm) got an additional reinforcement.

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412539

This building lot was then injected with superglue.

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351412877

So now the wing was fully repaired and just lacked the plastic sheets from ORACOVER to be ironed on.
That's the advantage of wood structures - even seemingly big damages can be repaired quite easily.

Here's a close look on the repaired wing:

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351413146

http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351413194

As soon as I find the time I'll post the pictures of the next steps we took . . .

Happy landings - Peter http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif</p></div>

grosbeak 10-29-2012 05:02 AM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
Nice repair - looking forward to the next pictures!

fly2smile 10-30-2012 07:53 AM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
<div><div>Hi there,

and thank you grosbeak for your positive feedback. It's fun posting a thread here in Germany
and getting comments from Canada. It's my frist thread overseas and it feels good to cover
so huge distances.

. - . - . - . - . - . - . - .

So now the ironing starts; first we covered a section on the downside of the wing, where the
original plastic sheet had a long cut.
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The strictly rectangular shape of the wing made it very easy to cut and iron the plastic ORACOVER sheet . . .
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So far the ironing has just taken half an hour. The plastic sheet was just attached on the borders of the
wing with the electric iron, the big surface in the middle was shrunken with a heat gun. That was fun and
veeeery quick. So now there's only the wing ear left . . .
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The lower plastic sheet has been put on, but no yet shrunked in order not to bend the wing ear just
from one side. First we ironed the upper plastic sheet on and then shrunked both sides by turns.

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</div></div><div><div>So five hours after tearing off the original plastic sheets to judge the damages the wing was o.k. again.
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I now prefer the looks of the left wing over the right one. The ORACOVER sheet is better quality
than what the chinese manufacturers used as original sheet . . .</div><div></div><div>So then we continued with the rebuild of the tail and the tail wheel. I'll come up with the continuation soon . . .

Happy landings - Peter http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif</div></div>

my05monte 10-30-2012 02:00 PM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
AMAZING!! Thank you for posting your repair. When people like you post how to's, it gives us beginners a lil more confidence in making ours. Can't wait to see the finished plane[8D]

fly2smile 11-02-2012 07:23 AM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 


Hi there,

to be honest I'm a beginner too. I'm just lucky to have a friend that is expert in this since many years
and who shows me how to go about it. So here we go on with the . . .</p>

<span style="color: #1f4072">Rebuild of Tail &amp; Tail wheel

</span>The damages the tail suffered were only partly due to my pilot error. Pulling off the plastic sheets we
discovered, that the tail of this PIPER had not been built well in China. So we decided not just to
repair the damage but to reinforce the wooden structures according to our standards.</p><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351866272</div></div></div><div class="n">




























On the picture below you can see that the holm is not glued to the tranversal end because it is some
millimeters short and if that were'nt enough . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351866561</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . the upper two holms (see red circles on picture below) do en in the middle of nowhere. They
weren't broken through the crash, the really do end in the nirvana. The structure of the tail was held
together only through the part that carried the tail wheel. How that withstood so many landings is a
real miracle.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351867588</div></div></div><div class="n">




























So now we teared away the plastic sheets to evaluate well the damages to the structure.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351867921</div></div></div><div class="n">




























With a special knife we then straightened the balsa edges to make it easier to produce and glue
the parts to rebuild that part of the structure.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868102</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Rattling the struts we realized that there were yet more hidden damages under the cover. So we
detached the servo . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868304</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . and teared more plastic sheet away.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868365</div></div></div><div class="n">




























As much as possible we fixed the existing structure and handled the plastic sheets with care in
order to able to iron them on again after gluing the damaged parts together.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868498</div></div></div><div class="n">




























While the glue was drying we ironed the original foil on again.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868614</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Where we detected fissures we injected superglue with the hollow needle into the wood structure.
That's a very fast way to repair and it is amazingly robust afterwards.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 480px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868804</div></div></div><div class="n">













































Here another balsa edge is straightened . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351868872</div></div></div><div class="n">




























So now the original structure is repaired wherever it was possible and all damaged parts that had
no remedy are removed. The next step will be the production of the missing parts and then the rebuilding.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1351869105</div></div></div><div class="n">

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</span><span style="color: #000000">To be continued . . .

Happy landings - Peter http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif</span></p></div>

fly2smile 11-07-2012 11:03 AM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
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Hi there,

so now it was time to rebuild the wooden structures http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f.../red_smile.gif:

On the following picture one can see the little board that held together the structure of the tail and the tail wheel (see
red frame). This little board was even weakened by a recess path for a metal strip (see some pictures farther down).</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313140</div></div></div><div class="n">



























So in order to avoid the weakening of the replacement board we rasped down a path for that metal strip in the
plastic of the tail wheel suspension structure. This plastic piece doesn't suffer any by this while the wood structure
would be severely weakened by doing it there.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313408</div></div></div><div class="n">



























Then we took the measures of the fuselage . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313537</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . made notes . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313569</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . and introduced those measures into our turbo CAD software.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313653</div></div></div><div class="n">




























That was then cut out by our cnc-mill:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313749</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Here are the finished parts . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313816</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . loosely put together to test the adaptions.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352313937</div></div></div><div class="n">




























But not every part fitted just like that and so we reworked the parts a bit.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352314055</div></div></div><div class="n">




























We made this frame to reinforce the wooden structure in this part of the tail. The original structure didn't have such a frame.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352314198</div></div></div><div class="n">




























We made yet another frame to reinforce the end of the fuselage. Additionally we extended the two holms that end in
the middle of this picture, shortly behind our first new frame.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352314377</div></div></div><div class="n">




























In the end we relocated the frame on top, that carries the tail wheel.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352314536</div></div></div><div class="n">




























That marked the end of the repairs on the wooden structure.

I'll be back with the pictures of the ironing of the plastic sheets and the finishing.

Happy landings - Peter http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif</p></div>

fly2smile 11-11-2012 02:08 AM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
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Hi there,

here is how the job was finished:

The next day the glue had dried off and that's how it looked:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 480px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352626472</div></div></div><div class="n">













































Then we tested where to locate the tail wheel:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352626598</div></div></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352626638</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Then we sanded the wood structure . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352626756</div></div></div><div class="n">




























. . . and started to iron on the plastic sheets - red on the bottom and white on the sides, just like it was before.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352626872</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Then we marked the three holes for the screws of the tail wheel suspension.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627007</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Then we injected superglue into those holes in order to make them more stable so that they'll really hold those screws.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627138</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Then we covered both sides whith white ORACOVER foil.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627221</div></div></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627250</div></div></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627283</div></div></div><div class="n">



























Then the tail wheel was mounted:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627355</div></div></div><div class="n">




























The carbon trifoil airscrew had also been damaged:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627936</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Here she is with the new one:</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352628005</div></div></div><div class="n">




























So there she is again - ready to fly. The repair was worth the while and I'm happy to have my PIPER back again.</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627583</div></div></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352628081</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Crash ???? What crash????</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627640</div></div></div><div class="n">




























So now she's back on her winter storage place under the roof - very scale . . .</p></div><div class="n"><div class="clearover"><div style="width: 510px; float: left">http://rc-modellflieger.com/s/cc_ima...g?t=1352627743</div></div></div><div class="n">




























Happy End !

I'll try not to return with a thread in this crash and rebuild section, but I do hope to see you all in
another thread elsewhere.

Happy landings - Peter http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif</p></div>

atron 04-28-2013 05:48 PM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 
LIKE!

Like it a lot!

rt3232 05-04-2013 05:35 PM

RE: Detailed report: The rebuild of a PIPER 1:3 with 1.417
 


hi Fly2smile


Great rebuild/repair, But you cheated you used a router :D should been by hand


Cheers Bob T


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