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Brushless Draganflyer?
I noticed that some of our 4-rotor heli colleagues from the x-ufo club have succeeded in converting their machine to brushless.
And of course I thought,can that be done to a draganflyer too? Havent found any topic on this subject but I'm sure it can be done?
Now that would be a quantum leap for using the DF as an AP platform?!
And of course I thought,can that be done to a draganflyer too? Havent found any topic on this subject but I'm sure it can be done?
Now that would be a quantum leap for using the DF as an AP platform?!
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
ORIGINAL: flyingdutchie
I noticed that some of our 4-rotor heli colleagues from the x-ufo club have succeeded in converting their machine to brushless.
And of course I thought,can that be done to a draganflyer too? Havent found any topic on this subject but I'm sure it can be done?
Now that would be a quantum leap for using the DF as an AP platform?!
I noticed that some of our 4-rotor heli colleagues from the x-ufo club have succeeded in converting their machine to brushless.
And of course I thought,can that be done to a draganflyer too? Havent found any topic on this subject but I'm sure it can be done?
Now that would be a quantum leap for using the DF as an AP platform?!
And support is done at a German speaking forum with parts only available though them. Shipping takes weeks and is not cheap.
I want to see one fly around stable at a few hundred feet and shoot video like Sky gets before I'm spending money on it.
The DF can NOT be converted to use brushless because you need an esc for each motor and the board will not support that.
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What are the diferences in brush and brushless motors that keep you from just switching out the motors?
What are the diferences in brush and brushless motors that keep you from just switching out the motors?
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What are the diferences in brush and brushless motors that keep you from just switching out the motors?
What are the diferences in brush and brushless motors that keep you from just switching out the motors?
The DF board doesn't support that.
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I thought the same thing until I spoke with Mike at Spectro. He said that the flight board has to be reconfigured to be compatible with brushless motors.
I thought the same thing until I spoke with Mike at Spectro. He said that the flight board has to be reconfigured to be compatible with brushless motors.
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Yep I know its gonna be near impossible ,but hey the germans succeeded in a similar conversion too!
The x-ufo is basically a toy,and I am pretty sure support for BL esc's is not factory implemented.
Now for the stability of some modded ufos,have a look at the videos below..
I can read /write and understand/speak German so their site has few secrets to me.
As for prices,I think their stuff is not so expensive,and shipping is off course a long way to the states/canada,but not everybody on this planet lives there..if I have to order me some spare parts from DFI i will be looking at a 2/3 week delivery time,not to mention the additional shipping cost and possible import taxes(I had to pay an extra $120 for my DF upon delivery!)
So thats all relative I'd say.
But what I meant to say is,If a few techies can hack something like the x-ufo,it should be possible to do something similar with the DF ?.
I'm not an electronics expert ..Just some wishful thinking here....
http://www.comdesign.at/mywiki/image...rnsaal-web.wmv
http://www.comdesign.at/mywiki/image..._buero_web.wmv
http://www.olleroppa.de/data/speedtestkurz.wmv
http://www.erop.de/X-3D_BL_gross_rucksack.divx
The x-ufo is basically a toy,and I am pretty sure support for BL esc's is not factory implemented.
Now for the stability of some modded ufos,have a look at the videos below..
I can read /write and understand/speak German so their site has few secrets to me.
As for prices,I think their stuff is not so expensive,and shipping is off course a long way to the states/canada,but not everybody on this planet lives there..if I have to order me some spare parts from DFI i will be looking at a 2/3 week delivery time,not to mention the additional shipping cost and possible import taxes(I had to pay an extra $120 for my DF upon delivery!)
So thats all relative I'd say.
But what I meant to say is,If a few techies can hack something like the x-ufo,it should be possible to do something similar with the DF ?.
I'm not an electronics expert ..Just some wishful thinking here....
http://www.comdesign.at/mywiki/image...rnsaal-web.wmv
http://www.comdesign.at/mywiki/image..._buero_web.wmv
http://www.olleroppa.de/data/speedtestkurz.wmv
http://www.erop.de/X-3D_BL_gross_rucksack.divx
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Thanks for the cool video links! I bet the motors were burning hot after lifting the backpack. I think I said earlier... if you live near Germany, then get the copter they make.... and for north americans the DF is cheaper.
By the way, why does that guy keep kicking the poor copter in one video?...what did it ever do to him? It went on and on. Sadistic!
I wonder how much these copters in the videos are modified and tricked up by the personal owner?
By the way, why does that guy keep kicking the poor copter in one video?...what did it ever do to him? It went on and on. Sadistic!
I wonder how much these copters in the videos are modified and tricked up by the personal owner?
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I wonder how much these copters in the videos are modified and tricked up by the personal owner?
I wonder how much these copters in the videos are modified and tricked up by the personal owner?
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
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Yep I know its gonna be near impossible ,but hey the germans succeeded in a similar conversion too!
The x-ufo is basically a toy,and I am pretty sure support for BL esc's is not factory implemented.
Now for the stability of some modded ufos,have a look at the videos below..
I can read /write and understand/speak German so their site has few secrets to me.
As for prices,I think their stuff is not so expensive,and shipping is off course a long way to the states/canada,but not everybody on this planet lives there..if I have to order me some spare parts from DFI i will be looking at a 2/3 week delivery time,not to mention the additional shipping cost and possible import taxes(I had to pay an extra $120 for my DF upon delivery!)
So thats all relative I'd say.
But what I meant to say is,If a few techies can hack something like the x-ufo,it should be possible to do something similar with the DF ?.
I'm not an electronics expert ..Just some wishful thinking here....
Yep I know its gonna be near impossible ,but hey the germans succeeded in a similar conversion too!
The x-ufo is basically a toy,and I am pretty sure support for BL esc's is not factory implemented.
Now for the stability of some modded ufos,have a look at the videos below..
I can read /write and understand/speak German so their site has few secrets to me.
As for prices,I think their stuff is not so expensive,and shipping is off course a long way to the states/canada,but not everybody on this planet lives there..if I have to order me some spare parts from DFI i will be looking at a 2/3 week delivery time,not to mention the additional shipping cost and possible import taxes(I had to pay an extra $120 for my DF upon delivery!)
So thats all relative I'd say.
But what I meant to say is,If a few techies can hack something like the x-ufo,it should be possible to do something similar with the DF ?.
I'm not an electronics expert ..Just some wishful thinking here....
I agree if you can read /write and understand/speak German and live closer for delivery and parts it may be right for you.
I've been following the forum I can understand in english, and they are having Lots of problems with them.
Read it and see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=29&pp=15
Not one of them have come anywhere near flying and taking video like Sky High has here and proven how capable the DF is.
You said: If a few techies can hack something like the x-ufo,it should be possible to do something similar with the DF ?.
Those few techies were the Inventors of the ufo.
As far as I'm concerned the DF is a very stable and Reliable helicopter, brushless would be nice and i'm sure the people working on the Rc Toys have thought of it. I have to believe if the people at DF thought they could put a Trouble Free brushless version out they would, who knows maybe they are working on one.
All I'm saying is I would rather be flying a proven product, then spending hundreds of dollars trying to get one to fly.
Brushless for the DF would mean Huge changes new main board 4 esc's 4 brushless motors all new wiring harnesses, maybe a new frame to get all the wires though.
I'll let RcToys electronics experts figure it out and buy one when all the bugs are worked out and it flys.
Happy Flying,
Lacey
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
Oh,my bad, I thought Silverlit was the inventor of the X-UFO and Jast and his mates developed the X-3D gyro board as a replacement for the mechanical gyro.Which by the way I was not referring to,I know they will come up with an official brushless version start of next year.
And you're right to let the guys at DFI/Spectrolutions develop the hypotethical brushless version of the DF ,I was just wondering if anybody
has ever tried to perform such a piece of surgery themselves (theres a lot of smart people out there im sure).
What I do hope is that such a board WILL be available soon for us draganflyer-flyers because I wouldnt mind to get my 8mp cam airborne ,
which is not going to happen even with the heavy duty motors.
And you're right to let the guys at DFI/Spectrolutions develop the hypotethical brushless version of the DF ,I was just wondering if anybody
has ever tried to perform such a piece of surgery themselves (theres a lot of smart people out there im sure).
What I do hope is that such a board WILL be available soon for us draganflyer-flyers because I wouldnt mind to get my 8mp cam airborne ,
which is not going to happen even with the heavy duty motors.
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
We now have finished our Big Brushless Quadrocopter Project.
It is airborne yet.
Our new Q4 / Race / BL / 50 is in original DraganFlyer Size.
You can use this Frame (without BL) for your Standard DF's also.
We use a Hybrid-Electronic (x-3D) and Standard Components, BL- Motors Robbe Roxxy or other.
Here is a pic and a video also, let me know what you think about this project.
(sorry for my bad english)
Link to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULe7VuR0rE
It is airborne yet.
Our new Q4 / Race / BL / 50 is in original DraganFlyer Size.
You can use this Frame (without BL) for your Standard DF's also.
We use a Hybrid-Electronic (x-3D) and Standard Components, BL- Motors Robbe Roxxy or other.
Here is a pic and a video also, let me know what you think about this project.
(sorry for my bad english)
Link to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULe7VuR0rE
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
Hi Will,
with the Foam Blades not so much (the quadrocopterweight with lipo 3s 2100 ist ~760 Gramm)
but with the better Blades or with our CF-Blades, we can lift ~ 600Gramm plus
with the Foam Blades not so much (the quadrocopterweight with lipo 3s 2100 ist ~760 Gramm)
but with the better Blades or with our CF-Blades, we can lift ~ 600Gramm plus
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Danke, Hammer...600 grams, about 21 ounces for we Americans . A pound and 5 ounces ought to allow quite an AP package to be carried!
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
ORIGINAL: flyingdutchie
Good news Hammer !,havent seen it in the x-ufo shop yet..(very curious about the price off course [:-])
Good news Hammer !,havent seen it in the x-ufo shop yet..(very curious about the price off course [:-])
This Customized Quadrocoptersystems are not in the xufo-shop.
Greetz
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
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i posted nothing about prices - i don't know what you mean exactly ?
This Customized Quadrocoptersystems are not in the xufo-shop.
Greetz
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ORIGINAL: flyingdutchie
Good news Hammer !,havent seen it in the x-ufo shop yet..(very curious about the price off course [:-])
Good news Hammer !,havent seen it in the x-ufo shop yet..(very curious about the price off course [:-])
This Customized Quadrocoptersystems are not in the xufo-shop.
Greetz
Hammer
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
Hi!
These problems are related to the china mainboard and the china transmitters. They are gone with the X-3D Brushless. The brushless UFO is completly developed and produced in Germany.
The question is, if you like to have a stable intelligent hovering platform to attach a 300$+ camera or if you like to fly indoor and outdoor like a helicopter but with a safe and robust aircraft? In the first case, the last thing I would trust is a IR horizon detection. The other problem is the height. If you fly high you can not see if the aircraft is falling or ascending. In the second case you like to have a controlled but fast and flexible platform. The X-3D offers you a very fast and reliable controller design, highly optimized for fun and precision. The special high speed brushless controllers in combination with the motors, very light weight CF Frames and LiPo batterys enable very efficient flights with a lot of motor power to stabilize the UFO in any situation. The brushless UFO is always (!) doing directly what the pilot is commanding with the sticks. You can do looping outdoor and land precisely on a chair afterwards with the same setup.
Check out the most recent video: http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...71832011367019
...250g weight including a 640mAh LiPo (10-15 Minutes flight time), 1.3kG thrust, up to 35 Minutes flight time with a 2Ah LiPo....
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flyingdutchie,
I agree if you can read /write and understand/speak German and live closer for delivery and parts it may be right for you.
I've been following the forum I can understand in english, and they are having Lots of problems with them.
Read it and see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=29&pp=15
flyingdutchie,
I agree if you can read /write and understand/speak German and live closer for delivery and parts it may be right for you.
I've been following the forum I can understand in english, and they are having Lots of problems with them.
Read it and see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=29&pp=15
ORIGINAL: laceycopter
Not one of them have come anywhere near flying and taking video like Sky High has here and proven how capable the DF is.
Not one of them have come anywhere near flying and taking video like Sky High has here and proven how capable the DF is.
Check out the most recent video: http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...71832011367019
...250g weight including a 640mAh LiPo (10-15 Minutes flight time), 1.3kG thrust, up to 35 Minutes flight time with a 2Ah LiPo....
Regards
Jast
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RE: Brushless Draganflyer?
Hi Jast,
Nice to see you posting here. Welcome! We've heard a lot about you and the various projects from Hammer. Impressive stuff!
A few questions on that, if you don't mind...You and your group have obviously spent a lot of time thinking about these issues. I've been very impressed with what you guys have accomplished. Anyway...
- What practical technologies are available for self-leveling, as far as you know?
- None of your projects are capable of actual self-leveling. Is that correct?
- If the mission is indeed to do high-altitude aerial photography, do you see value in self-leveling capability, or do you think it's just a matter of having a good enough pilot?
- Does your group have any interest in high-quality, high-altitude aerial photography as an application for your machines?
You mention the problem of not being able to see whether the machine is ascending or descending when at altitude. What about seeing the machine's attitude? The difficulty in flying without self-leveling at high altitude is you can't see small changes in attitude until they start to affect the machine's performance, and by then, it can be too late. But perhaps that's not an issue for a good pilot? Maybe they can see the change in performance and apply the right inputs to correct it, even though they won't know for a few seconds whether the correction was enough or too much?
Thanks for taking the time to post about your projects.
Will
Nice to see you posting here. Welcome! We've heard a lot about you and the various projects from Hammer. Impressive stuff!
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The question is, if you like to have a stable intelligent hovering platform to attach a 300$+ camera or if you like to fly indoor and outdoor like a helicopter but with a safe and robust aircraft? In the first case, the last thing I would trust is a IR horizon detection.
The question is, if you like to have a stable intelligent hovering platform to attach a 300$+ camera or if you like to fly indoor and outdoor like a helicopter but with a safe and robust aircraft? In the first case, the last thing I would trust is a IR horizon detection.
- What practical technologies are available for self-leveling, as far as you know?
- None of your projects are capable of actual self-leveling. Is that correct?
- If the mission is indeed to do high-altitude aerial photography, do you see value in self-leveling capability, or do you think it's just a matter of having a good enough pilot?
- Does your group have any interest in high-quality, high-altitude aerial photography as an application for your machines?
You mention the problem of not being able to see whether the machine is ascending or descending when at altitude. What about seeing the machine's attitude? The difficulty in flying without self-leveling at high altitude is you can't see small changes in attitude until they start to affect the machine's performance, and by then, it can be too late. But perhaps that's not an issue for a good pilot? Maybe they can see the change in performance and apply the right inputs to correct it, even though they won't know for a few seconds whether the correction was enough or too much?
Thanks for taking the time to post about your projects.
Will
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I'm curious to know if flying the x-ufo mod is basically the same as flying a DF without TI. I've been practicing flying without TI but find that when the machine is far away, I have a hard time seeing how it's oriented. With TI on, you can always let it go into a hover and then figure out which is the front and fly it back to you. Without TI, by the time you get that sorted out you're liable to crack it up. I really don't like relying on a circuit board for stability.
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I'm curious to know if flying the x-ufo mod is basically the same as flying a DF without TI. I've been practicing flying without TI but find that when the machine is far away, I have a hard time seeing how it's oriented.
I'm curious to know if flying the x-ufo mod is basically the same as flying a DF without TI. I've been practicing flying without TI but find that when the machine is far away, I have a hard time seeing how it's oriented.
With TI on, you can always let it go into a hover and then figure out which is the front and fly it back to you. Without TI, by the time you get that sorted out you're liable to crack it up. I really don't like relying on a circuit board for stability.
Will