sky-pilot

Hi

Before all I want to say I never flew a n airplan before,( well only a 2 channel little toy)

And I guess that it is time to taste how it is like to fly but dont know what to do.. Am i gonna buy a Kit ? ( cauz I have the electronics) in this case what kit is best for a complete beginner..

or as I thought later to make every thing cheaper just go for building? and in this case how am I gonna build ?


I have servo, radio and tx rx so I need the body and the motor/prop unit and the links for the allerions/ elevator::

Which way should I go please .. building or buying.. I dont have so much money,, your help is worthY AS GOLD!


Sky-pilot

cawthraj

Check out http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXPY56&P=ML

and

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXBY18&P=M or http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFMD5&P=M

If you already have the servos, tx, rx, etc.. I'd just buy an ARF trainer and engine, an you will be good to go... :-)

Lowlevlflyer

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Having been in your shoes not too many months ago, I can sympathize with you. It all seems a bit overwhelming at first. Lets look at it this way: You are going to want to start off with a trainer of some sort definitely.

1. Build a Kit, or buy an ARF? I guess the obvious first question is, do you have the time and space to build a kit, or are you ready to start flying quickly? I dont know what's available where you are, but I would assume that most of the same aircraft we have in the U.S. can be bought where you are. I learned to fly on the Sig Kadet LT40. I bought the ARF version, and had it ready to go in two nights and one afternoon of work. Kits obviously take longer to build and get ready to fly, but there is the added satisfaction of being able to say that you built it from a bundle of sticks (if that sort of thing matters to you). There is a price difference in Kits and ARFs, but by the time you buy all the extras to finish the kit, and put in the time, it all equals out.

2. What Tx and Rx, servos do you have? how many channels? All the decent trainers I know of require at least 4 channels (I'm pretty sure you already know that, but thought I'd throw it in just in case). Your engine and prop combination will be determined by the aircraft you purchase. As far as the aileron control rods and other hardware, your trainer will come with all this included in a hardware package, whether you buy a full kit or an ARF.

3. I know this subject has bee literally beat to death here, but are you going to try and learn on your own, or do you have an instructor or a club in your area? If you do, DEFINITELY go out and see them, get hooked up with an instructor that can teach you correctly, and get some recommendations on equipment from them. Seeing some of the aircraft up close and seeing how they perform may help you decide what you want.

4. Lastly, HAVE FUN with this!! Dont spend hours worrying over this combination and that combination. Get a good, solid trainer, find an instructor to get you started, and the rest will fall into place!

sky-pilot

it is the E-flite parts that I have.


And one thing when I mentioned kit, I ment a kit that you can buy, what did you mean in your saying( just to not making things confusing..

I was thinking of these:
since I heard that they were good for beginners

1.yak-55 3d
2.GWS funny park
3.Ikarus 540


I want alerions o´n my plane , I just hate controlling it with the damn back fin hehe.


My stuff?

Here it is:
Servos: 3 EFLH1030 E-flite submicro servos

4n1 unit: just everything you need with a 6 chanel rx, and a 4/6 channel tx

please I want to know if one of these crafts are compatable with my setting.. if they do I well go and buy them tomorrow!

I wanna have fun ! Thanx

Lowlevlflyer

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Ah, I see now that you are refering to electric aircraft. I dont have any experience with electrics yet, but I am sure someone here can steer you in the right direction.

sky-pilot

oohh noooo!!!!!!!


my hope is broken

RCKen

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I'm going to move this thread over to the Electric Forums, you might have a better chance of getting an answer there.

Ken

Matt Kirsch

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Say sky-pilot, if you've never controlled a plane before, how do you know you hate "controlling it by the back fin?" [X(]

Let me tell you that as a beginner, just achieving controlled flight is a thrill in and of itself. The fact that you can make the plane fly around in a circle without crashing will just blow you away.

Anyway, NONE of the three planes you mentioned are good for beginners. The Yak55 and Edge 540 are both high-performance aerobatic planes, and the Funny Park is short-coupled and very sensitive on the controls.

Just hear me out here... You've got the perfect equipment for a GWS Slow Stick. Yes it's a rudder plane, but it's dead easy to fly, and you'll have a much better chance of success with that than you would with any of the planes you listed. As a newbie, you haven't got the reflex actions to deal with a responsive airplane. You need something easy to fly, and the Slow Stick has turned many a newbie into an R/C junkie.

sky-pilot

but the thing with a fin controlled plane( no allerions!) sounds strange I mean just controling the elevator and the rudder..!!!![X(][X(]. Dont missunderstand me OF COURSE I dont want to have a 4 channel aircraft as first machine! No! but I would want an plane with : elevator, allerion and thrust only.. isnt that option as easy the: elevator, rudder and thrust option.


I guess you will say it is a hell differnece but any way the above listed crafte that I mentioned BELIVE IT OR NOT the locak shops SAYING they ar perfect for beginners, yes they sayed that..



One more Question.. would the latest rtf cessna 182 kit be something?


Thanx

aeajr

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In general, a high winged plane is more stable so it is easier to fly.

In general a wing with a lot of dihedral is more stable so it is easier to fly

In general, a high wing plane with a lot of dihedral in the wings that is controlled by the rudder and elevator more stable and easier to fly than a plane with flat wings and ailerons.

If you have an instructor, then follow their recommendations. If you are trying to learn on your own, start with a three channel high wing plane with a lot of dihedral in the wings that is controlled by the rudder and elevator.

ALMOST READY TO FLY and EASY TO BUILD KITS - STARTER PLANES


Below are ARF and simple kit planes. You will need to buy a radio if you don't
have
one, so you might want to read these articles on radios. The
articles are written for sailplane beginners, but all the info applies to
electrics too.

Entry Level Radios - If you have to go cheap
http://www.rcezine.com/cms/article.php?cat=&id=44

Computer Radios - The recommended path for almost everyone
http://www.rcezine.com/cms/article.php?cat=&id=65


Slow stick - $35 -
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze. This is an excellent choice for
people who have a smaller space to fly.
Can also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space.
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...&products_id=2
or
Slow stick Complete Package incl radio - $150
(need battery charger)
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=602
The Slow Stick Info Site
http://mattsrc.rchomepage.com/ssir/index.shtml
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...hreadid=122951
video
http://www.skrogg.com/sun.wmv

Tiger Moth - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...products_id=20
or
Tiger moth Complete Package incl. radio - $150
(need battery charger)
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=343
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze.
This is an excellent choice for people who have a smaller space to fly. Can
also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space. Cool looking little plane.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=GWS1020
Review
http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/articles/tiger_moth.asp

Tipsey - $55
Remove the wing and it goes back in the box for simple
protected transport or keep in the car fun!
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/tipsy.htm
Review
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/pdf/gr6232.pdf
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?...at=198&id=3871

Magpie -
I recommend the $55 package with two wings.
Has slow fly/trainer wing AND an aileron sport wing.
Master the first, then advance to the second.
They offer a complete package with both wings and all the electroncis for $160
Makes it so easy to get it right!
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...51#post3502851
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=SmoothE+build
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv

SmoothE - E$50
Easy to build Balsa and foam kit. Build as 3 Channel Slow Flyer
Optional 4 channel aileron trainer when you are ready
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=19&pp=15
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV

Frog - Foam kit - $39
http://www.foamfly.com/customer/prod...acfe94b8213f09
Instructions
http://www.foamfly.com/Plans/Frog_Instructions.PDF

Dandy - $42 -
Wood kit
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.php
Complete package - $122
Build thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359035
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandy.wmv

Dusk Stik $40
Balsa Wood Kit
Similar to GWS Slow stick or ParkZone Slo-V in design
http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php
Complete package with all electroncis - $112
http://www.mountainmodels.com/duskstik.php


Ask all the questions you wish. We will try to help.

sb13

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I've been flying for a couple of months now and I started with a u can do 3d electric plane from Great Planes. This was not a good choice! It's a low winged plane that is some what touchy to a beginer. I practiced on my pc first with the G-3 and that did help but it was different with the real thing. I crashed many times and glued the nose back on and went out time and time again. After many repairs and spur gears I finally got used to the plane but I have to say that it is not a good choice for a beginer. I have built 2 electric planes now and I bought a nitro trainer that I have flown 5 times by myself now. I joined a club and the teachers there are great and it really helped. I'm now putting a mini funtana together which will be electric too. I'm turning more towards the nitro though. My low wing experience makes the trainer easy to fly but I should have started out with that trainer to begin with. A 4 channel is fine to start with but make sure it is a trainer type of aircraft. I think you should learn on a 4 channel if thats where you plan to end up anyway just dont go with any of the planes like that yak that other guy told you about. Go with a trainer and join a club if possible, believe me several hundreds of dollars later I realize this is a good thing to do. Most clubs have people that are willing to help you learn and they have all been in your shoes. My trainer is the hanger 9 alphe and it flys well. Just start out right and save yourself the grief and money. Again, go with a 4 channel becouse there is nothing hard about that type of trainer to fly. If you want to use a certain control it's there when you're ready for it. Good luck to you and happy flying!

sky-pilot

well thank you so much aeajr! I really appreciat deeply your help.

I just waant to say that I have the following electonics(all E-flite):

3 sub-micro servos EFLH1030
6 channel 4n-1 controller(Blade-cp blackbox)
and a 4 ch E-flite transmitter.
Are they okey for an aircraft?

Now I am gonna take the time to look through all these sites and see what plane Is located nearby where I live!

Jsut one question: about the E-starter , is it an easy thing for me?


Thanx/ Skay-pilot

aeajr

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If you want an aileron trainer, the e-starter is a good choice.

I don't know anything about the components you have. Micro servos would be OK.

sky-pilot

it is actually a micro heli components and the servo are sub-micro. so would they work.. do you think?

sky-pilot

well , I have looked at the models you posted and found only two models from the list localy:

SLOW STICK and Tiger moth

Since I dont wanna buy from "outside" I am just heading for a local buy. Among the aircrafts that I found in Swedish web-shops I took extra look at these : e-starter, slow stick , tiger moth.

what I would wish fro you is to take a look at theese Swedish sites and see with your pro. eyes which ARF planes are suitable for a newbie like me. I decided to have it 3 channel as you said.

http://www.vastrc.com/slowflyers.htm


http://www.skanehobby.se/index.php?c...sort=3a&page=1


check out the shockflyers too
http://www.umearc.se/cgi-bin/article...8&subgroup=204

check under "flygplan"
http://www.mft.nu/

If you wonder why I ask you this, well cauz the shops themselves confirming that the EDGE 540 3d is absoulotely perfectly easy for a beginner???

Sky-pilot

aeajr

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My grandparents were from Sweeden. Maybe we are related. Ha Ha!

The Tiger Moth is a great first plane
Teh Slow stick also

If you are going to learn on your own, I recommend them. fly them with very little wind. 3-6 km/h. No more, until you are comfortable.

If you want ailerons, then the e-starter is an excellent choice.

sb13

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I think a 3 channel is a mistake. Learn on a 4 channel! What in the world are you afraid of? You can learn on this without a problem even on your own as long as it is a trainer model. I just dont get it?????????????

aeajr

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I presume this is directed to me.

Not afraid of anything!

We are not talking about right or wrong here we are definately talking shades of gray.

When learning without out an instructor, I think the three channel, high wing, high dihedral winged planes give the new flyer the greatest chance of success. That does not, in any way say that starting on a four channel plane will lead to failure.

Some people learn on low wing warbirds, all on their own and are very successful. But the success rate using this approach is lower.

Tendancy, opportunity for success, chance of winning, these are not absolutes, they are relative phrases.

I am just going with percentages here. The exploding number of successful self learners is coming out of the two and three channel small electric market, not the 4 channel planes.

sky-pilot

WOW! is it raelly true that they are from Sweden! do you know which city?

Alright , so I have the coice of E-starter, the tiger moth and the slowstick..good

now I have to take a look at the equipment that I have and see if the are suitable

as I said I have 3 micro servos of 9 grams and a receiver and ESC

I wonder if the Tiger moth can carry My 4n1 controller (reciver and ESC), I dont think so cauz the 4n1 is a heavy thing and my 9,6 nimh 650 mah battery is way too heavy right?

so Can I have these stuff on the tiger moth? how much must the equipment weight

Sky-pilot

aeajr

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OK,

Do you have a way of weighing your equipment?

Is the battery NICD or NIMH?

Do you know the amp capacity of the speed control?

I think they are from Someplace outside of Stockholm. Gothersburg? Something like that.

My first name is Anders, a common name there, I believe. Anders Edward Anderson. I use my middle name because my parents always called me Ed.

sky-pilot

Hi, Yea you mean Göteborg!


here is all the info I found about the equipment:

4-n-1 controller EFLH1027A: 2,3* 2,0* 4,0 *( must weigt something like 3 servos =about 27g)

3 mciro-Servos EFLH1030 : 2,2cm*1,2cm*2,2cm* they weight about 9 grams each

9,6 nimh 650mah EFLH1061 : 8 cells of AAA shaped about 60 grams I guess

They are all E-flite electronics
All the parts are from my micro Helicopter from E-flite

i dont know how much they weight but you can imagine how much an 8-cell NIMH AAA battery weights! An about the speed controller inside the 4n1, ..no problem, cauz the heli would take the 11,1v lipoly and the amp capacity is no problem.

So I dont now if the Tiger would carry these stuff,, lets just ruogf-count:
3 micros= 27 g
4n1 27g
battery 69g

The tiger must carry about 114 g!

Would he hold !

aeajr

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The slow stick and the e-starter should have no problem.

The tiger moth is available in several models with different size motors. If it is the Tiger moth 3 channel with the 350 motor, you should be fine.

Go for it!

sky-pilot

yeah there are also different sizes of the tiger moth , one called pico and the another is called gws big tiger and then just so called tiger moth?

the one in that shop is about 81m in span only :


However, just befor going further, Is this tiger moth we are talkin about , the flying weigt is 270 gram !! are you sure that my electric equipment (114g) is suitable for it

http://www.vastrc.com/slowflyers.htm

aeajr

My Feedback: (2)

Am I sure? Now. I can't be sure that equipment I have never seen, don't have true weight for and haven't tried will work in the plane.

The receiver/speed control is the only part that concerns me.

The Slow stick would have no problem with it.

You might want to get a ligher battery pack.

If you are unsure, get the slow stick. It can carry a lot of weight.

sky-pilot

I checked the battery and OMG! IT WEIGT ALMOST 100G!

Well, that measn that I cant have ving the tiger moth with this battery.. right? if so lets forget it if I take a look at the e-starter then would it carry a 100 g battery?


Talknig about taking the model out-side in a box, which is best between the e-starter or the
slow-stick?

Thanx for taking the time, man!