Zagi Set-up Question Please Read!!
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I would like too replace the Factory Speed 400 on my new Zagi but I am kinda new at this, I would like too know what would be the best COMBINATION of Brushless Motor/SpeedControl/Batterries would be ideal for this type of application? Sounds like ya'll know what your talking about so help a guy out! Thank You All. Also I was kinda thinking of putting a Electric Ducted Fan Unit on one also so if ya'll can help me out there also would be great! Oh and one more thing were would be the cheapest place too go to purchase this kind of equip.?? [email protected]
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A brushless Zagi a mega 16/15/2 on 8 or 10 1300CP cells would turn it into a missle zagi. They sure work well. Another good motor would be the Jeti 15/4 on an 8x6 and 8 cells. Look at www.hobby-lobby.com for the motors.
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I can highly recommend a Mega 16/15/4, Jeti JES30-3p controller with a MAS 7x4 prop. It will run great on either of the stock Zagi batteries. I make cheap packs from AA NIMH batteries. For more kick, use 10-cell packs of HE-1100s.
I tried the Magnetic Mayhem brushed motor (a speed 600 type others have suggested), but was disappointed. It drew too much current for the Zagi or NIMH batteries and was too heavy. While it would fly pretty fast it was sluggish and not very aerobatic.
I also have a Mega 16/15/3, but this motor is a bit too hot for a Zagi (in my opinion). It is better suited for a ProJeti type plane.
I have not tried a 480 or cobalt motor, but for the price I would say go brushless you won't regret it.
I tried the Magnetic Mayhem brushed motor (a speed 600 type others have suggested), but was disappointed. It drew too much current for the Zagi or NIMH batteries and was too heavy. While it would fly pretty fast it was sluggish and not very aerobatic.
I also have a Mega 16/15/3, but this motor is a bit too hot for a Zagi (in my opinion). It is better suited for a ProJeti type plane.
I have not tried a 480 or cobalt motor, but for the price I would say go brushless you won't regret it.
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The Astro 020 #803Z works well with MAS 5.5x4 prop. I'm using a Hacker 30A esc. This has been a very solid combination.
Model Number p/n 803Z
Motor Name: Sensorless 020 Motor for Zagi
Gear Ratio: Reversed
Stator Winding: 5 turns # 20
Stator Resistance: 0.075 ohms
Speed (Kv): 2567 rpm/volt
No Load Amps: 1 amp
Best Battery: 7 to 9 cells
Best Prop: MAS 5.5x4
Prop RPM: 18,000/21,000
Motor Amps: 15 to 20 amps
Power Input: 125 to 175 watts
Motor Length: 1.75 inches
Motor Diameter: 0.980 inches
Motor Shaft Dia.: 1/8 inch
Prop Shaft Dia.: 3/16 inch
Weight: 2.5 ounces
Control Type: Sensorless
Control BEC: 5 volts @ 1 amp
Control Mosfets: 12 Mosfets
Control Weight: 1/2 ounce
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Model Number p/n 803Z
Motor Name: Sensorless 020 Motor for Zagi
Gear Ratio: Reversed
Stator Winding: 5 turns # 20
Stator Resistance: 0.075 ohms
Speed (Kv): 2567 rpm/volt
No Load Amps: 1 amp
Best Battery: 7 to 9 cells
Best Prop: MAS 5.5x4
Prop RPM: 18,000/21,000
Motor Amps: 15 to 20 amps
Power Input: 125 to 175 watts
Motor Length: 1.75 inches
Motor Diameter: 0.980 inches
Motor Shaft Dia.: 1/8 inch
Prop Shaft Dia.: 3/16 inch
Weight: 2.5 ounces
Control Type: Sensorless
Control BEC: 5 volts @ 1 amp
Control Mosfets: 12 Mosfets
Control Weight: 1/2 ounce
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TX
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What do you want to do?
I'm running a Mega 16/15/4 with a Phoenix 25 ESC and 8 cell 1700 Nimh HR4/5 packs.
I'm very happy with this combo.
It's really according to what you want out of the Zagi. This combination gives rock solid performance. Decent flight times (6 minutes at WOT). But is neither the fastest, nor the longest duration. It also doesn't have true vertical performance.
My suggestion is to contact Castle Creations at www.castlerc.com
Talk to Pat at Castle Creations and he can set you up with the right combination for what you want. He stocks Mega and Aveox brushless motors. He will also recommend battery and ESC's for what you are wanting to do. Some of his stuff is not listed on his webpage, so it pays to give him a call and talk to him personnaly.
Just my 2 cents.
I hope you have good luck no matter what you decide upon to power your Zagi.
I'm very happy with this combo.
It's really according to what you want out of the Zagi. This combination gives rock solid performance. Decent flight times (6 minutes at WOT). But is neither the fastest, nor the longest duration. It also doesn't have true vertical performance.
My suggestion is to contact Castle Creations at www.castlerc.com
Talk to Pat at Castle Creations and he can set you up with the right combination for what you want. He stocks Mega and Aveox brushless motors. He will also recommend battery and ESC's for what you are wanting to do. Some of his stuff is not listed on his webpage, so it pays to give him a call and talk to him personnaly.
Just my 2 cents.
I hope you have good luck no matter what you decide upon to power your Zagi.
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The Mega 16/15/X series of motors will strap right in place of the stock motor, as they're the exact same size.
If you're going to hop your Zagi up with a super-duper brushless motor, you're going to need to reinforce the wing, or you'll have catastrophic "Zagi flap." The wing will literally start flapping like a bird's, and it will break in half. Zagis are not rigid enough in their stock form to handle speeds much higher than what they can achieve in their stock form. In fact, a high-speed full-throttle dive will get the plane flapping.
If you're going to hop your Zagi up with a super-duper brushless motor, you're going to need to reinforce the wing, or you'll have catastrophic "Zagi flap." The wing will literally start flapping like a bird's, and it will break in half. Zagis are not rigid enough in their stock form to handle speeds much higher than what they can achieve in their stock form. In fact, a high-speed full-throttle dive will get the plane flapping.
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Or, you can practice throttle management and stick with the Zagi stock. I'd be happy if I could chew up altitude when I want to climb. I've just got my first Zagi going (a 400X) and what a blast it is.
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Or, you can practice throttle management and stick with the Zagi stock.
Or, you can practice throttle management and stick with the Zagi stock.
I'll tell you: FLAPPITY FLAPPITY FLAPPITY SPLAT!
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RE: Zagi Set-up Question Please Read!!
The Astro 020 is what I suggest. I deliver about 30-50 a month and always get letters with big smiles attached. It comes with a matched prop and a Sensorless ESC. no mods to your plane are necessary as it will fit nicely in the current motor tray. The ESC even has the Deans already on it.
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RE: Zagi Set-up Question Please Read!!
I have a 16/15/3 on my Zagi-razor knock-off right now and it really cooks. No "Zagi-flap" yet I was thinking about trying the Mega 16/15/2, but I can't locate a 4x3 prop (which they recommend). Has anyone used the 16/15/2 before? Is it that much hotter than the 3 turn?
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RE: Zagi Set-up Question Please Read!!
get a Aveox speed 400 style with a castle creations controller // I have used all of the other setups everyone else is talking about and they do not compare to the aveox performance // be sure to use a 1700mah nimh pack this is the only pack that I found that can handle the amp draw
[X(]PS:: Glue carbon tape accross the entire width of the wing or this setup will fold your plane in half!!!!!!!!!
[X(]PS:: Glue carbon tape accross the entire width of the wing or this setup will fold your plane in half!!!!!!!!!