Garrett1234567

Do any of you guys know where i can find plans for the sumo. Ive searched here and in rcgroups but havent found the plans.

darticus

SUMO PLANS
Either the Sumo or the Micro Sumo. Both are excellent fliers. Try it you'll like it!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710077

Garrett1234567

Thanks darticus. I think that is the fastest response ive ever got Ill get started on it tonight. Have any of you tried using elmers foam board. Ive got a Parkflyers gee bee 3d and it looks like its made out of the same stuff as the foam board.

darticus

Never used the foam board but here are some suppliers for both EPP FOAM and Carbon Rod.
http://www.rcfoam.com/cart.php?targe...category_id=75
http://www.flyingfoam.com/foamsheet.html

Motor I used for Micro Sumo GREAT PRICES!
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=5358

I used the 2712-17 combo for the Sumo
http://www.ncweb.com/biz/dan/Motors.html

You may save with this motor for the Sumo
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=5208

Garrett1234567

Hey Tim,have you had a chance to fly the Millenium SSX yet. Looks like a cool plane. I destroyed my gb 3d and made a new plane. It follows the same layout and size of the gb but i got a new radio. The JR xp7202 7ch synth. Heres a vid of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guAoPQbjhLQ&fmt=18

FERNDALE AIR FORCE

I got a 5 minute flight on Monday. I thought that the reports of it's twitchyness were overdone. Mushy controls. Then I landed it and discovered that I did not switch my rates. I only had 40% elevator. It flew really nice and has a great "singing" sound in the air.

Tim

Good looking, and flying plane.

Tim

Teenage Pilot 14

Hi, folks, I'm back. Man, this thread is long!!!!! Alright, well, down to business. Has anyone managed to stick Rolling Fury guts in an AA fuse? I'm currently wrapped up in a whole bunch of things so I don't have much spare time. I'm working on the problem, but it's slow. Also, does anyone know about motor changes in AA bipe generations? I know the paint jobs change, but my first bipe seemed much less powerful than one of my 2g ones, and the 3g that I just scored at Wal-Mart for $15 blows both out of the water-er-air. Also, I recall a channel-specific radio lag, but I don't know what channel it was. Help? Also, for anyone who still flies the bipe (newer models seem to be taking over[X(] ) I believe I have the perfect mod set: Just chop off 1cm from each wing, (mono, of course) and take a few mm's off the tail feathers. I know the bipe has already been picked apart, rebuilt, burned, frozen, cut, sliced, diced, and by now holds no secrets, but it can still be used as a tiny sport plane rather than a guinea pig, right? Or did that stop like 100 pages ago? I've been out of the loop for so long I don't know what's happening anymore[X(]

ahaacobbler

Just taking another look at this as I start into another round of flying wing models. It looks like you have no dihedral on this plane. Is that right?

Cobbler

Teenage Pilot 14

Alright, well I took the matter into my own hands with the RF guts. I just happened to have a perfect set of guts on hand and some sheets of Cell Foam 88. Man, I love that stuff! Anyway, I tried to copy RedTwilight's design with the flying-wing thing, but I failed. So I glued on a tail (also flat foam) and suddenly it flew. It's got a 12" WS, 11" long, and about 5" of fuselage and 6" of tail. if I had a camera I'd take some pics, but all I can do for now is describe it. It has some funny flight quirks, too, like flying inverted perfectly if it's stall-turned into the wind and rocking side-to-side very violently at low speeds. Oh, and i chopped the 3rd-channel actuator for lack of places to put it...

FERNDALE AIR FORCE

Well, I thought you guys might like a couple of videos. The first one runs long the last 2 minutes are dead air. http://www.badiusownersclub.com/vide...%20effects.wmv The second is the Bug. http://www.badiusownersclub.com/vide...%209-12%20.wmv .

Tim

Neurotex

Vid of my Rolling Fury with a stick & tissue wing. The original foam
wings were removed with an x-acto blade and the new wing installed
atop the fuse with rubber bands. Plane is still quick and rolls easily
with much better control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGCR-RQp2dI

Garrett1234567

Nice mod Nerotex. Makes me wish i hadn't trashed mine now It looks way faster and alot more control.

Neurotex

Thanks, it does fly much better than stock (which wanted to loop constantly).
I just recently bought another one on ebay. I can't find them at Target or
TrU anymore. I think they've been discontinued.

dcwwcp

I am new to this, so please excuse my ignorance.

I've read 200+ pages in the last three days and my eyes hurt.

A few questions

aero ace bipe and jet lipo batteries first-

1) can replacements be purchased?

2) what voltage and ampacity are they? (single cell I assume)

now for the transmitter-

1) nimh batteries instead of burning through alkalines? if so

2)what voltage? 8.4 good enough or 9.6?

3) is 9.6 too high?

I'm sure it's all been asked before, but I would appreciate any info I could get.

thanks

-dcwwcp

micro_builder

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nice vid, Neurotex, looks like she scoots around great


Welcome to RCU, DCWWCP

The sites below are good online dealers that carry replacement lipos for your AA needs.
All single cel lipos have a maximum voltage of 4.2v and a minimum of 2.9v
(if you go below 2.9v, it destroys the discharging abilities of the cell),
and the capacity of most AA plane lipos are 130mah up to around 200mah

http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/index.php?...5c17861f81326c
http://www.indoorflyer.co.uk/fullriver-cells-45-c.asp/
http://www.homefly.com/products.asp?id=30
http://www.airmidimicros.com/AMMBatt.htm

As for the TX, a lot of folks have used rechargables, sometimes with mixed results. There have been a few
mods to change the TX to accept 2 more rechargables to pump the voltage up to 9.6v but I dont have any
links on hand except the AA Toolbox (not sure if that mod is there): http://www.aatoolbox.no-ip.org/
I've never done this as I use my own hobby grade charger to charge my lipos, so I dont burn through the
standard double A's, which is something I suggest doing as using a hobby charger will prolonge the life of
your lipos - the stock TX chargers that our micro RTFs come with usually charge at a rate higher than 1C,
which the lipo can take, but eventually can wear the cell out prematuraly.

Nick

dcwwcp

thank you very much.

that is exactly what I needed.

the links are great.

the other problem I have is range. so far I've only bought one plane that had the stated 300' range. the other 3 were only about 60'. so I took them back. I popped one open just to make sure the antenna was attached. I could't see anything wrong with it. I suppose it could have been a cold solder joint, but three planes with the same problem? seems rediculous.

any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

thank you for your time.

~d~

ahaacobbler

3 out of 4 bad planes is probably worse than normal, but not unusual. I think that AH has some very poor quality control. I have had 3 out of 4 before, but usually at least half have been good for me.

cobbler

Neurotex

You can double the length of the antenna wire by soldering wire to
the exsisting antenna wire. Also fresh batteries in the transmitter helps
range problems.

I use a wall plug in ran through the tx to charge the lipo. The batteries
only used for transmitting will last a long time. It's the charging that drains them.
micro builder mentioned a charger especially for charging lipos. That's the best bet.
I've been looking at the Triton Jr. but noticed you need a 12volt battery to use it.
Tower Hobbies has for the same price a DuraTrax Onyx 230 charger which is AC as
well as DC. So you can use a wall plug also.

trroadster

You can esily adapt a computer power supply to use as a bench power supply to run your charger. Really simple mod that mostly involves cutting wires and drilling two holes in the case to mount banana sockets.


I use a wall plug in ran through the tx to charge the lipo. The batteries
only used for transmitting will last a long time. It's the charging that drains them.
micro builder mentioned a charger especially for charging lipos. That's the best bet.
I've been looking at the Triton Jr. but noticed you need a 12volt battery to use it.
Tower Hobbies has for the same price a DuraTrax Onyx 230 charger which is AC as
well as DC. So you can use a wall plug also.
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ahaacobbler

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I am looking forward to the day when I can get a real lipo charger at a reasonable price - maybe $20. Until then, I am a big fan of the wall wart tx charger mod. I use that all the time now and get several months out of the AA batteries I use only for flying.

Cobbler

dcwwcp

wow, I love this forum, you guys are helpful and there seems to be several people with decent electronic knowldge. I do okay, I'm a union electrician who does specialty stuff, access control,cctv, FA, hvac, and integratingdetection systems. I see alot of different power supplies and chargers.

I'm definitely interested in this wall wart mod, I have access to all kinds of wall warts and even though I have a large supply of nimh AA batts and a bucket of free alkaline AA's there's no since in wasting them. nothing last forever, especially free stuff.

so after going through 4 more planes, I finally found two planes that are completely different but I love the way they fly

the first one is called a power hawk. a toysrus exclusive deal. looked a bit cheezy with the extra "dummy" prop up front but I like the way it flies and it looks pretty damn cool. 300+ft. on the range. stall crazy for sure, but I slapped a 6-32 nut on the bottom of the nose temporarily to calm that down. it begs for modification and some landing gear.

the other just says aero ace on it. it is a single wing design with the motors pointed down and outward. flies like a dream right out of the box. nice weight distribution.

my next question is what kind of glue can I use on the foam? anybody try SUMO glue?

thanks guys
~D~

micro_builder

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Cobbler,
here's a few chargers that might work for you. Not all of them are in the 20 dollar range,
but they're good chargers never the less:
http://www.bsdmicrorc.com/index.php?...D=41&offset=16
http://microflierradio.com/BatteryChargers.html

If you guys havent been on microflierradio.com, do yourself a favor and check out the
stuff that he has. The guy is great to do business with, and his stuff is the lightest out there
other than DIY IR, and its all hand built. Awesome stuff.

D,
the AeroAce planes are all EPP foam construction, which is great cause its nearly indestrucable,
but you can also use normal CA super glue on it without it melting the foam (avoid using it on
the thin tail wings though, its a differant foam that will melt with CA).

Great video, Neurotex

Nick

Neurotex

Thanks micro, here's the other frame up for the rf I purchased on ebay.
The fuse is much slimmer this time around and built like a lever toward
the tail. I seen another rf sold on ebay 2 days ago from the same seller
I bought mine from... seems fine, not a return or used. Paid $34 total.
There's a couple more up ther for auction but a different seller.

Patsy2shoes

Hi Guys
Sorry to get off the subject BUT

The weather is getting cooler and it is time to think about indoor flying.Maybe you do not have a gym available to use so if you are like me you have to fly in your own house.

Air Hogs have outdone themselves this time in bringing out a product that really suits my needs .This strange looking little plane is as much helicopter as it is airplane .

A lot more fun than a helicopter to fly.

It flys great and there is no room to small for it .It is so slow a cat walks faster than it fly's. Figure 8s are a snap.
The cost is the usual $30 in Toys r us and Target.
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The name of the plane is HAVOC CYCLONE and there is a Forum for it on RCGroups.com

You will love this one when it is cold ,windy and snowing outside.
Charlie

micro_builder

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Neurotex, that thing looks fast sitting still! Did you build a curve into the wing, or is it just normal dihedral?
Cant quite tell from the pic, looks great though.

Charlie, the Cyclone is indeed a fun flyer, here's a vid of mine from a month ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz2E-66eeeY
If i had a nice 3 or 4 channel micro RX on hand, the gearbox/prop would work great for a micro 3D flyer -
gobs of thrust!

Well, speaking of changing the subject, I built this thing tonight. Its a Hoopskirt, originally FF meant for the
small Cox .020 gas engine. The size is the same as the plans, 10" diameter hoop, but i shortened the tail
a bit to get the CG managable (just barely though), AUW should be around 24 grams. I only gave it a
couple tosses outside tonight under the lights and it seems like it'll fly just fine, not sureabout the steering
though, too much tail leangth i think and too much rudder area, but we'll see what happens.

I'll probably also remove the vertical stab on the hoop, I think its meant to keep any rolling issues under
control, but there didnt seem to be any, so its just dead weight and probably not helping my steering.
My printers are dead so I had to import the drawings into CorelDraw and get all my measurements there,
and freehand all my cuts, and I also have run out of spray adhesive, so i had to use tape to hold the tissue
down (also didnt tissue the inside of the hoop, dont think it'll need it). I'll try to get some video tomarrow
if weather cooperates.

Nick