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Old 03-03-2011, 01:56 AM
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New ZardiNi plane for 2011
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First infos about this plane

- all composite F3A plane
- electric only
- fully adjustable wings and stabs
- removable rudder with thickened TE
- anhedral stab, ..... a few degrees
- specially designed air exhausts for max cooling perf.
- winglets for increased stability and KE perf.

Wingspan (m) : 1860mm
Fuse length (m) : 1995mm

Will be available all white or painted .....


More to come by the designers ......




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Sounds wonderful! Sell them for $100 each and I'll take two.
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Very interesting stuff JP.. Wing area looks rather small. Any particular reason why wings are getting smaller? Better snap characteristics?
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Hello everyone,

I am very excited we are now able to show you the new ZN Line Caelestia that I will be flying at the 2011 F3A World Championships in Muncie Indiana.

This is a brand new design that has been a collaborative effort between ZN Line (Jean-Pierre Zardini is the sole owner of ZN Line), and myself. This brings many decades of F3A experience to bear on this design. I personally am extremely pleased to have been able to work with ZN on this project. I have flown ZN designed models exclusively since 2002 and have always been very happy with the quality and flying characteristics of those models. This one is sure to be no different! We have taken all the best of our experience to create the best F3A plane for todays sequences. Some of the design features include:

- No chin cowl, for reduced weight and consistent fuselage structure (electric only!)
- optimized air inlets and outlets to minimize the need to make additional cuts into the fuselage
- fuselage sides are curved to provide maximum geometric stiffness to the model
- wing/stab position, incidence, dihedral and thrust line optimized
- Wing tip fences for maximum lateral stability and improved knife edge performance without additional mounting/coupling issues. Thanks to Chip!!!, he is the recent originator of the tip fences IMO, and it was his influence that led me to try them and subsequently want to adopt them in this design.
- Tip cap on the elevator to protect the moveable surface and also aid in easier setup
- Flared rudder (smaller than Xigris) trailing edge to provide better direction stability and softer neutral feel
- Wing profile and airfoil optimized
- Fuselage profile adjusted for a balanced area distribution
- Slight anhedral stab
- Canopy base set to be parallel with fuselage “zero line” to aid in setup if needed

Designing the model in 3D CAD (ProE design, Solidworks for the rendering) allowed us to control the finest detail of every parameter of the design. As well the fuse, wing, stab, rudder plugs will be cut on a CNC router based off this CAD model to ensure that all these details are retained.

The model will be produced as a full composite plane, and painted in the mold (colors etc. still to be determined), and I believe even custom paint jobs will be available.

All of the current available electric motors should fit the model without issue, I will be installing the Plettenberg Advance motor, and mounts will be made to specifically mount a variety of motors.

I will continue to post more info and details as the prototype model is produced, and production models are made.

To answer Doug's question about the wing area, it is just an illusion of the image. There is not a significant difference to many of the current F3A models. While it is not exactly the same as say the Xigris, it is close.

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Looks good Chad and jean Pierre Now the most important questions....

When will it be available?
How do you pronounce the name? ;-)

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Hi Don,

I will check with JP for the approximate timescale. Obviously we will do a prototype first to ensure everything is perfect, then on to full production.

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I love ZN planes.  I still fly my original ZN-Line Extra 330S in competition.  It holds up well, and is very competative.  I can't wait to see the prototype of the new F3A design.

JP is also very dedicated to supporting customers.  When I broke my canopy on my Extra last year, he arranged fo a new canopy frame to be made, and sent me two new canopys.  Thes even though he no longer makes this plane, or parts for it.  Thanks again JP!

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Very nice Chad! congratulations!!!
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Will be keeping my eye on this as it comes to fruition. I would definitely have a new ZN in fleet if it's a winner.
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Looks great Chad...congrats.

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Hello everyone,

I am very excited we are now able to show you the new ZN Line Caelestia that I will be flying at the 2011 F3A World Championships in Muncie Indiana.

This is a brand new design that has been a collaborative effort between ZN Line (Jean-Pierre Zardini is the sole owner of ZN Line), and myself. This brings many decades of F3A experience to bear on this design. I personally am extremely pleased to have been able to work with ZN on this project. I have flown ZN designed models exclusively since 2002 and have always been very happy with the quality and flying characteristics of those models. This one is sure to be no different! We have taken all the best of our experience to create the best F3A plane for todays sequences. Some of the design features include:

- No chin cowl, for reduced weight and consistent fuselage structure (electric only!)
- optimized air inlets and outlets to minimize the need to make additional cuts into the fuselage
- fuselage sides are curved to provide maximum geometric stiffness to the model
- wing/stab position, incidence, dihedral and thrust line optimized
- Wing tip fences for maximum lateral stability and improved knife edge performance without additional mounting/coupling issues. Thanks to Chip!!!, he is the recent originator of the tip fences IMO, and it was his influence that led me to try them and subsequently want to adopt them in this design.
- Tip cap on the elevator to protect the moveable surface and also aid in easier setup
- Flared rudder (smaller than Xigris) trailing edge to provide better direction stability and softer neutral feel
- Wing profile and airfoil optimized
- Fuselage profile adjusted for a balanced area distribution
- Slight anhedral stab
- Canopy base set to be parallel with fuselage “zero line” to aid in setup if needed

Designing the model in 3D CAD (ProE design, Solidworks for the rendering) allowed us to control the finest detail of every parameter of the design. As well the fuse, wing, stab, rudder plugs will be cut on a CNC router based off this CAD model to ensure that all these details are retained.

The model will be produced as a full composite plane, and painted in the mold (colors etc. still to be determined), and I believe even custom paint jobs will be available.

All of the current available electric motors should fit the model without issue, I will be installing the Plettenberg Advance motor, and mounts will be made to specifically mount a variety of motors.

I will continue to post more info and details as the prototype model is produced, and production models are made.

To answer Doug's question about the wing area, it is just an illusion of the image. There is not a significant difference to many of the current F3A models. While it is not exactly the same as say the Xigris, it is close.

After that report Chad I want one. Good luck with it. Mike
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Hello everyone, thank you for all the comments!

Here are a couple more images rendered from the model at different angles so you can better see what the model will look like.

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Hi Chad,

Looks like a very cool model. From your images it looks to be center-hinged on the wings and stab, is that an optical illusion or will it be center-hinged even though it is composite?

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Chad it has a lot of similar features of the Integral/ Xigris C1. That in my opinion is a good thing.
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Hi Morten,

I believe the prototype is going to be top hinged, but that may change depending on the flight tests.

Hi Mike,

Yes A number of differences but many fundamentals are similar
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It is nice to see that more people than Sebastiano Silvestri starts to understand (remember) what a F3A-model should look like.

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Congratulations Jean-Pierre and Chad for the new model. I`m sure this will be another winning design in the extense list of successful ZN Line airplanes.
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Ahh man Chad! I haven't even flown my Xigris and it is already obsolete.
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Ahh man Chad! I haven't even flown my Xigris and it is already obsolete.
Sorry Joe lol

Xigris is still a great plane, for anyone that wants to build a kit its tough to beat!

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I just can't stand the color though!
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I just can't stand the color though!
LOL, ya we are working on that issue
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Hello everyone,

A couple of shots of the fuse plug finished milling. I think another week or so and the molds for the model should be complete! The target is to have a first model for the end of the month.

The pics are a little fuzzy, but you can get the idea!

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Very pretty airplane Chad. Good luck with it!
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Just curious, what are they milling the plug from?

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