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Hacker Q80-14XS / CC EDGE HV80 (Bad combo)?

Old 09-24-2015, 09:58 AM
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Default Hacker Q80-14XS / CC EDGE HV80 (Bad combo)?

All,

I just got my new Episode up and running. The plane flies good after some trim work. The problem I'm having is with my Motor/ESC not working well together. I've since discovered a few forums discussing that my set-up is flawed and won't work well (wish I had checked before buying what I did).

Here's what I have:

Hacker Q80-14XS
Castle Phoenix Edge HV80
I'm just flying with my old 4500 packs right now, but they pull my other pattern plane along just fine. Weight with this set-up is 4677 grams.

The first few flights power seemed sufficient. Now it seems like I'm just not getting full power out of the motor. Yesterday's flights took nearly 3/4 throttle just to maintain level and full barely got me through the vertical maneuvers. Last night I found some advice online regarding this motor/ESC combination and realized I'm not the only one with this issue. One forum recommended changing the PWM from 12% to 8%. I did that this morning and was initially excited as it seemed to pull better. But by the 3rd flight, I was back to sluggish power.

Was a solution ever found or have most folks just moved on to a different set-up?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Old 09-24-2015, 10:38 AM
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It may help if you post your ESC settings. Particularly, make sure auto endpoint is off.
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Old 09-24-2015, 10:43 AM
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Thanks Anthony. I'll try to list those this evening when I get home.

They should all be set at default, as I didn't do anything to it originally. Last night I did change the PWM from 12% to 8% and changed the End-point from "Auto" to "Fixed". I followed the Castle instructions on adjusting the Fixed. Then my first flight this morning was a bit better, but by the 3rd flight, It was struggling again.
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Old 09-26-2015, 11:03 AM
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Q80 and CC is a bad combo ! Too many poles in the hacker for the CC to handle. A better choice for the motor is jeti regs........
you can transfer more amps and more power fast without missing timing
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Old 09-26-2015, 11:34 PM
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My advice to you is dump all these electrical cpra and get yourself aYS185 .....just feel er up and go flying no luck of power on any flight.....he he he

only kidding hope you sort it all out

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Yeah get rid of that "Castle Cremations" ESC and go for a Mezon or Spin ESC from Jeti.
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Alright, alright alright...............,

I have heard enough horror stories about this combination (in addition to my own) to come to the right conclusion. I have ordered a Jeti Spin Pro 99. Can't wait to see the full potential of my motor! Thanks for everyone's advise. Hope to get it installed and flying by next weekend. A bonus should be the weight factor. My plane came out slightly nose-heavy. Well, the Jeti specs show it to be 25 grams lighter than the CC, so it should improve the balance as well as providing more power.

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Old 09-28-2015, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Duncan View Post
Alright, alright alright...............,

I have heard enough horror stories about this combination (in addition to my own) to come to the right conclusion. I have ordered a Jeti Spin Pro 99. Can't wait to see the full potential of my motor! Thanks for everyone's advise. Hope to get it installed and flying by next weekend. A bonus should be the weight factor. My plane came out slightly nose-heavy. Well, the Jeti specs show it to be 25 grams lighter than the CC, so it should improve the balance as well as providing more power.

Thanks again,
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Did you order the programmer too? If not, call 'em back and get one of those as well.
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:17 AM
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I did. I ordered the Spin Box along with the ESC. Thanks for the reminder though. It all should be in the mailbox waiting for me today when I get home.
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Old 09-28-2015, 10:35 AM
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If you update the firmware to 4.22 castle should run that motor, that what the people at castle says
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Old 09-28-2015, 10:36 AM
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I like CC stuff always works for me except the brake
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I actually did do the update the night before my last time flying it. The next morning, I flew 3 flights:

Flight #1: Power seemed "reasonable", but not all there.
Flight #2: Had decreased power.
Flight #3: Required 3/4 throttle just to maintain level flight.

Sorry, but I don't feel like re-programming my ESC before every flight...........................

I do thank you for the suggestion though. I have run CC with my Himax and e-flite motors with zero problems, but this Hacker is a whole new ball game.
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Old 09-28-2015, 11:06 AM
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Jetmech, I'm curious to know if you have success specifically with CC and a Hacker motor?

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No Not with the Q-80
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:04 AM
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Thank you everyone for your input. Went out this morning with the new Jeti Spin Pro 99. Had 3 great flights!

Now I have a new problem though (wink wink). The problem before was I didn't have enough power. Now the problem is I have too much! If that's even possible. I need to tone down my curve, as when I pull vertical and come in on the power, in a blink of an eye I'm nearing low earth orbit!

Again, I want to thank everyone for your help. Now I can start working on my pattern again!

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Old 10-01-2015, 04:15 PM
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I have not personally run the Q80 / Castle combination, but I have seen it work very well. Dan Landis flew it in the NATs finals this year and Ken Velez has also been running the combination in the northeastern US. I don't know the specific motor versions / software versions / software settings...maybe they will have some input.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:45 AM
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One thing with the Castle HV80 is that when you turn on logging it will cause power problems with certain motor combination. So, I would check that you have it turned off. I have this combo with a Hacker A50-16L V1 and V3. With logging on the motor made a clunking sound and didn't develop full power. I don't think the cpu can keep up with the motor timing and logging at the same time. I played with this setup for a while and found out the log function was the problem,.
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Old 10-10-2015, 05:11 AM
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I have a Shulman Fury and ran the CC controller and was told by castle techs to run the 3.27 firm ware for 28 pole motors and it did work with that motor with no issues.
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