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Old 12-30-2016, 03:23 PM
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Default Denkado Musette 1.1m F3A Assembly

I have had the privilege of being able to acquire an Denkado Musette 1.1m F3A practice pattern plane from Japan. (Thank you Lewis!). I plan to take my time with the assembly as I am sure I will not be able to get ahold of another one. I have watched several YouTube videos and gone through the various Japanese pattern websites looking over what equipment others seem to be using and I have tried to select lighter and higher performance equipment where possible.

Specs-
Wingspan: 1100mm
Length: 1185mm
AUW: 1300g
Battery: 3-4 cell 2200-3000
Servos: micro/mini
Motor: 700-800 watts
ESC: 50-60amp

Equipment I'll be using:
Motor: Motrofly DM2825-650
ESC: O.S 150HV
Battery: Zippy Compact 4 cell 2200mah
Prop: CF Falcon 15x7
Spinner: Gator RC 2" cooling spinner
Servos: MKS 6100HV's
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Old 12-31-2016, 10:03 AM
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It sure is different. Kind of looks like a Monorail car from Disney World?
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Which is exactly why I like it so much! It's very different from your typical little practice pattern plane.
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They are hand crafted and built to order.
http://www.shop-online.jp/denkado2/

There are some interesting features like a rubber isolated firewall and rear canopy ventilation

http://nakker.cocolog-nifty.com/blog...e-denkado.html
http://nakker.cocolog-nifty.com/blog...ette-013e.html
http://nakker.cocolog-nifty.com/blog...te-9-9404.html

And they fly beautifully
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8HM-ZlVoLkE

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Slow but steady progress. The motor mounting system they designed the plane with is really nice with the rubber isolation pads. It's such a pleasure to build a plane that has such incredible quality. Everything fits so precise and all the wood and balsa is so nice! It's worlds different from the usual ARF's that we get here in the U.S. Should be flying by tomorrow!
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I think if someone were to import these to the USA, it would be a good seller.
There really isn't another plane in this class.
Build looks great.
Best of luck with the maiden.
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Well, I just put the last few finishing touches on it and I'm absolutely in love with it! It definitely sets itself apart from your typical little pattern plane that's for sure! If it flys half as well as it looks Im sure will satisfy my need for some nice great big symmetrical lines in the sky! I didn't get a chance to weigh it but ill post it later. The fit and finish of everything made this a real joy to build/assemble. Quality that I have never seen in a model airplane kit in my 9 years of flying. I didn't have time to maiden it before work but I'll be sure to do a short video as soon as I can.

Keep checking back as I'll be sure post the YouTube link when I do the flight video.
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Well the AUW with battery came to 1095 grams or 38.62 ounces! Insane! And this is on a 4 cell setup! I will do a wattage check soon and see where its at on the meter. With the super light servos and lighter motor I knew it would be light but not this light! I can't wait to fly this thing! I did a run up and the power feels crazy! Held itself in a hover at 1/3 throttle
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Remember, it's an F3A pattern type plane, not F3D !

BTW, how did you secure the 2 wings ?
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Originally Posted by ltc View Post
I think if someone were to import these to the USA, it would be a good seller.
There really isn't another plane in this class.
Build looks great.
Best of luck with the maiden.
That's about $242. I wonder how many would sell at that price. OTOH, someone should make and export a 38-44 inch span F3A plane.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by big_G View Post
That's about $242. I wonder how many would sell at that price. OTOH, someone should make and export a 38-44 inch span F3A plane.
When you see the plane in person, the craftsmanship is well worth the $242. It is a hand built pattern plane, not like an ARF that most of us are familiar with.
Just my 2 cents
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Convince Mike Mueller at F3A Unlimited that there is enough market for him to import them. Japanese stuff is almost always very high quality and I would rather pay a few extra bucks and not have to spend hours 'fixing' the ARF. I'd buy one!
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Originally Posted by flywilly View Post
Convince Mike Mueller at F3A Unlimited that there is enough market for him to import them. Japanese stuff is almost always very high quality and I would rather pay a few extra bucks and not have to spend hours 'fixing' the ARF. I'd buy one!
FWIW, shipping from Japan via EMS is very fast (4 days) and quite reasonable.
So even if Mike is too busy, and you can get one built, you can get one for yourself.

Really looking forward to the flight report from Blake
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I have been wanting one of these little guys for a while. The video of F17 is great! I probably have all of the gear for it to.
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I would be happy to inquire about a group purchase and ship to USA
I can inquire again to see if it's possible ...
Or I can post contact info for Japan and let folks deal directly.
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I want one too, love this plane!
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I sent an email to Japan to see if it's possible to get more of these airplanes made.
If I hear back, I will post his answer in this thread.
IIRC, it takes about 3 weeks to hand build one of these planes and a week via EMS to arrive here in the USA.
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OK, it is possible to order these planes again.
There is no advantage of a group buy/single shipment, so it looks like everyone can just place the order directly with Kurosawa-san (he is agent for DENKADO...Kadokura-san)
He is extremely professional and prompt with orders, build updates and shipping information.

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Here is ordering information from Kurosawa-san...

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Yes, I can ship to USA.


Packing and transfer cost is the same for all together or individually to each parson.

Musette total price is ,

JPY\28,500-(Japanese Yen)+Packing and transfer cost.

if you want to total price(within Packing and transfer cost by EMS), Please send me your ship to address.

If you want to purchase MUSETTE airplane, Please reply by filing out the following for.

MUSETTE order-form
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order Qty:

Musette color: [select color following]

e-Mail:

Name:

Address:

Telephone:
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Musette color version: Red, Blue, Orange, Purple, or Yellow
See Musette of each color:
http://www.shop-online.jp/denkado2/i...egory_id=94702

Canariser option price is JPY1,000-(Japanese Yen) added.
http://www.shop-online.jp/denkado2/i...5535dacb8d5c56

Note:
This airplane is Build-to-order manufacturing.
If you order within this week, I can ship the end of April/2017.

Step to shipping

-If I can be ready for shipping, I will mail to you.
-You will pay the total price by Foreign Submit to my account or PayPal.
- I check the payment, I will ship to you.

Regards,

Hiroyuki Kurosawa
kurosawa@jp.boy.jp

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Some miscellaneous information on this plane...

http://nakker.cocolog-nifty.com/blog...e-denkado.html


http://www.shop-online.jp/denkado2/i...a12358df7e649c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HM-ZlVoLkE


Here is one with canalyzer and SFG added
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/caliber90pc...1463316341&i=1

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In the send box, contains instruction manual in Japanese.
Although I think whether you can see the photos.

I wrote the main points in English following.
Please ask me if any question for Construction the Musette.

= Packing(Include) parts
- Wing, Horizontal stabilizer, Vertical stabilizer,Fuselage,Flap
- Veneers horn for Aileron x 4
- Veneers horn for Rudder, 2mm screw x 1-set
- Main gear piano bar x2
- Tail wheel piano bar x1
- Hold plate of main gear x2
- 2.1mmx10mm screw for hold plate of main gear x4
- 2.4mmx16mm screw for Vertical stabilizer x2
- 10mm Aluminum pipe x1
- Triangle balsa parts for hold Horizontal stabilizer x4
- 1.8mmx12mm screw for hold Horizontal stabilizer x4
- motor mount x1
- Gum plate x1
- 2mmx10mm screw hold for Gum plate x 4
- 2.1mmx13mm screw hold size motor mount x4
- Reinforcement Veneers plate for switch x1
- Spacer fro battery x1
- 5mmx5mmx49mm parts for strongly of motor mount x2
- Label ('Musette')
- Repair film
- Construction manual(in Japanese)

Note: Not include tire, spinner, cross mount for motor, and rood adjuster etc.

=Use Caution for Construction

- Instill the Instant glue(use Low viscosity) to the Screw hole for strongly.
- Recommend servo is HS-65HB or HS-225MG.
- Tail wheel piano bar is plugged to Fuselage in just keep instant glue(use Low viscosity) .

= C.G.
120mm front from line of aileron hinge.

= Recommend power plant
battery: 11.1V2600mAh
Motor: GT2826/05
Prop: APC14*7E

= Motor Side Thrust
Prop both ends difference is 18mm.
Insert paper between motor mount and cross Aluminum motor mount for adjust of Side Thrust.

= Setting angle and expo.
Aileron:
Small: 27mm, 40%
Large: 40mm 50%
Elevator: 22mm 35%
Rudder: 80mm 40%

= See More Musette Information page(in Japanese)
http://kdcraft.e-rc.jp/flight-technique/musette2.html

Regards,
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Construction pictures from Japan (hand built, amazing quality balsa and craftsmanship)

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I am waiting for Denkado to send me my bill. I just placed an order for 2 more. I flew mine once and then had an extension/receiver failure (still looking into the exact cause). Total loss as the I lost the elevator and couldn't bring it down with just Rudd and ail. Although it's doable I do realize this but in the moment I wasn't prepared and choked. I was devastated but this is just a certainty if you fly model airplanes sometimes things happen that's out of our control and we have to jump back on the horse and continue on!

I contacted Denkado they were totally on board with getting me another one (of course full price) but I didn't think I'd even be able to get another one.

I did get one flight on it however and my initial thoughts are tremendous. It flew knife edge loops hands off ail/Elev and was such a precision monster. It really gave such good positive feedback on each control surface giving you complete confidence to out it through any sequence you could imagine. Felt extremely neutral and snaps were a little slow my my taste (I think the ailerons could be a little bigger perhaps. But that's just nit picking and I did only get one battery so all my flight impressions I'm drawing just from one 3-4 minute flight. But needless to say I liked it so much that I decided to order 2 more! So that should tell you something! honestly I enjoyed the build soooo much! It was such a fun build because of how well the fit and finish was on every single piece of the airframe. The only unfortunate part is that the new airframes won't be ready until April/'May. So I'll be impatiently waiting until the day my next ones arrive! I will be ready!!!!
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Were the people who expressed an interest in buying a Musette able to contact Kurosawa-san and get their plane ordered?
No affiliation whatsoever, just trying to help.
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I received my new Musette a couple days ago. I took all of what I remember wanting to change about the construction of the last one and applied it to be new one. I ordered it with the optional T-Canalyzer and since I could pick my color I chose purple since it reminded me of the old school Funtana scheme. This one came out 9 grams lighter which isn't a huge improvement but still, I'll take it! Now having put about 7 flights on it and getting the basic trims down I can't say enough how beautiful it flys for a little pattern plane! The wing shape and airfoil lend itself to be super smooth and precise. Snaps are extremely predictable and repeatable. Now I will start with the more in depth trimming procedures. But my preliminary feelings are that this will surely become my go to model for my lazy days. I am flying it it 4 cell 25c 2200's and am getting about 5:30 minutes with 25-30% residual battery remaining. I feel it could easily handle a larger battery so I ordered some 4 cell 25c 2700's to try out. I will be sure to shoot some video as soon as I can get a camera man.

Changes made on this one:
-An actual tailwheel instead of the fixed bent wire. So much better!
-Glued in the motor mount VS using supplied screws for mounting.
-Slight down thrust added
-Reinforced wing tube holes in wings and fuse
-Ordered a CF wingtube to replace heavy aluminum tube
-NMP ball links & Central Hobbies Ball Bearing Clevises for slop free silky smooth surface movement.
-Testing new Hitec 5070MH on ailerons. I'm shocked at how well they center!!!!! And super strong and fast!
-15x8 CF Falcon prop VS 15x7 CF Falcon on the last one.
-57mm F3A Unlimited vented spinner VS 51mm spinner (looks and fits the nose much better)
-Only used the elevator triangle stock on one side the elevator.
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Glad to hear you're replacement arrived and you're happy with it.
It is really one of the better kept secrets for pattern planes.

BTW, did your Element arrive? Be sure to check out the thread regarding loss of canopy in flight and proposed modifications.
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Saved another 10 grams by switching out the aluminum tube for CF!
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