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    Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Mike has a build thread for the Glow version over in the Pattern Forum (Genesis Arf Build, It's here), so I thought I would start a build thread for the E version over here. (Not that there's going to be much building going on !!) I guess this will be more of a document on the components used and mounting practices more than anything else. I've just started to receive some of the stuff today, so I'll weigh and document the stuff as I go along. If anyone has anything that they would like to see or have measured, just drop me a line, and we'll get ya the specs.


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    Here's some of the stuff that arrived today. The actual bird will be delivered tomorrow (11/01/05) and I'm going to wait on the batteries / Balancers & chargers till the last second, just in case anything new comes out :-)





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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Did you get any instructions with that speed controller? I have the same - but no instructions.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Please post lots of pictures, especially of things that still need to be done on the plane, and which accessories still need to be added.
    Good luck with it. (I'll have to wait)
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    ORIGINAL: BJM

    Did you get any instructions with that speed controller? I have the same - but no instructions.

    Billy

    Billy,

    Both the Engine and speed controller came with small pamphlets that gave information on the units, and in the case of the speed controller, how to set it up. I'm purchasing (and have purchased) all of the engine and battery equipment through Shulman Aviation.

    As I just told Stuart in a PM, I'll make sure to document (With Photo's) everything that comes with the arf, and I'll build a list of everything that is needed as well.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Hi Billy,

    There are a copy of the instructions online (bottom of page) at: [link]http://www.hackerbrushless.com/master-controllers.shtml[/link]
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Thanks for your help Jason.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    If you need more pic's or have any questions
    just let me know
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    ORIGINAL: toddblose

    If you need more pic's or have any questions
    just let me know
    Thanks Todd. First thing Im probably going to do is build the E - mount. I have an Impact Electric mount kit that Im going to use for templates since it's built around the C50 anyway. I'll start making the templates tonight, and will take them to a couple of my friends here in town (Jason Danhakl & Niklas Nyroth) and see if they can lay them up for me in Carbon Fiber.

    I just got everything tonight, So I'll make a list, and try to touch base with you this weekend.

    Thanks again Buddy.


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Well, the crate (Single box) was waiting for me when I got home this evening. Wow...I'm floored by how beautiful the paint work is !! Not a nick or scratch anywhere and both the covering and paint (at first glance) appear to be in great shape.

    The Box included:

    Fuse (hatch and chin cowl)
    Wings & Stabs
    Rudder
    Carbon Gear (Long for E-Version)
    Aluminum Stab and wing Tubes
    Wing Adjusters
    Wheel Pants

    That's it, and that's all I expected. I know at one time for a slightly higher price there was a complete hardware kit included. I'm not totally clear on when or why that changed, but it's not a big deal in my eyes.

    Now for some Pics !!!


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Interesting. comparing your plane to Mike's in the other thread, they are different colors. I thought that they were all painted alike? Difference between electric and glow version?
    Anyone know if they all say paint plane on the area on top just in front of the canapy. I like the website advertising on the side
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Yep,
    I asked about that today. Basically what I was told was that Chip said the guy that paints them puts his "signature" there , thats just what he does,, and thats just the way it is...

    The plane is so pretty that it just blends in....
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Hi

    Any weight figures about Genesis components?

    Best Regards
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)


    ORIGINAL: darkvader

    Hi

    Any weight figures about Genesis components?

    DV,

    I didnt have time to document each component last night but will put every peice on my scale tonight and take pictures.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Ok,

    Here are some weights for some of the parts.


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    I did start to order some of the hardware that I knew I would need:

    Axels & Wheels
    CHP Control Horns
    MK Tail wheel
    22X12E Props
    3 - JR 9411SA Servos
    1 - JR 770PCM Receiver
    1 D.E.P.S. Setup

    PBG Carbon Tubes are Pending an availability check with DA.


    The hardest parts of the assembly look to be the motor mount design and setup for the hacker, and trying to get the DEPS stuff in the fuse. (limited space to work !!) It would have been infinitely easier with the servos mounted in the stabs, but I figured I could save quite a bit of weight with a Single 9411SA and the DEPS setup.


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Managed to get the Nose Ring sized and mounted, and tacked into place. I'll glue it in permanently, after I get the rear mount finalized and the thrust line checked and finalized. It will be nice to be able to adjust the thrust line by loosening a couple of screws, making the adjustment, and then tightening back down. Much quicker than what I have to go through with my Big IMAC stuff !! :-)


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Where did you get the carbon fiber? Very clean work by the way....
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    ORIGINAL: BigNed

    Where did you get the carbon fiber? Very clean work by the way....
    Thanks Mike,

    Im very fortunate to have 3 or 4 friends around town who work with composites, and they save me the stuff that's destined for the trash bin !!! :-) Although the stuff you see me using is straight from the Electric Mount package for the Impact.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Ok....well today was a pretty decent day for progress. Here's what I got done:

    Electric Mount nose ring built and installed
    Wing adjusters installed
    Stabs and Elevators Hinged
    Elevator Pushrod Exits measured and marked
    Composite Center section removed (picture #1 still shows it in place, but I later removed it)


    -Bill




    P.S By the way guy's......I ordered my 7/8 and 7/16 PBG tubes today from Desert Aircraft. I'm not sure what the prices are at PAC, but the guy's at Desert said that had plenty of those size tubes in stock, and they seemed really motivated to get rid of them !!! :-)
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    What were the measurements for the Elevator pushrod exits? I was going to get them from Todd but if you have them handy.....
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Excellent documentation Bill, keep the pictures coming. Why did you remove the center composite section? As I have not played with electric before, is the motor mounted off the nose ring, or is it stil attached to the firewall?
    Any concerns of cutting the fusalage for elevator pushrod exits? I have used my own version of the DEPS system for my last several pattern planes (actually copied from George Asteris' version) but it has always been installed with the pushrod housings sanded flush to the fusalage very early in construction. I would be a little nervous about trying to do this on a finished fuse.
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    ORIGINAL: BigNed

    What were the measurements for the Elevator pushrod exits? I was going to get them from Todd but if you have them handy.....
    Todd Reccomended 4-1/4 from the rudder post forward, and 2-3/8 up from the bottom of the fuse. I'm not exactly sure that's going to work in my case since Im using a slightly different method, but at the very least, it's a great starting point.


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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    ORIGINAL: sc204

    Excellent documentation Bill, keep the pictures coming. Why did you remove the center composite section? As I have not played with electric before, is the motor mounted off the nose ring, or is it stil attached to the firewall?
    Any concerns of cutting the fusalage for elevator pushrod exits? I have used my own version of the DEPS system for my last several pattern planes (actually copied from George Asteris' version) but it has always been installed with the pushrod housings sanded flush to the fusalage very early in construction. I would be a little nervous about trying to do this on a finished fuse.
    Thanks,
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    Stuart,

    I removed the center composite section, as it made it easier to work around in the fuse. It doesn't really provide any structural benefit (as it can be bent up and down with ease) and after seeing that Todd had removed his as well, it was just extra weight !! (12 grams to be exact) :-)

    With regards to the Motor mount, it attaches primarily to the nose ring, but will be supported by a ring at the back of the engine as well. I haven't decided however weather I'm going to support the ring off of the F1 former, or from a spider web support attached to the inside of the fuse. Attaching off of the F1 former will probably provide better noise dampening, but the spider support, would allow me to be able to adjust the thrust line a little easier.

    I'm not too terribly concerned with the exits, because Todd showed me a pushrod exit cover (Hopefully he'll chime in here with the manufacturer) that makes everything clean. Otherwise....yeah....I'm still pretty nervous about cutting the holes. Fortunately the pull pull exits for the rudder are marked on the fuse already.

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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    The pushrod exit cover I used is the DU-BRO Lazer rod pushrod exit
    the Du-Bro part number is 502
    Bill has a pic's of my setup that he can post and don't cut the hole until you
    get the exit guides,because it has a template you will need to use
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    RE: Genesis Arf Build (Electric)

    Thanks for the info Todd. Im glad you said something about waiting to use the template !! I know I would have started cutting before I had them !!![:-]

    Here's the Pics:



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