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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hi,
    After 250 flights with this airplane, this is my contribution.
    Axi motor and prop, Jeti Spin 99, Batteries - Zippy 20C 4000 / Rhino 20C 4900, Futaba digital servos and PM spinner.
    Flies with main wing at factory setting and stab front 0, 3º down, both elevators half’s with 2 mm down trim and 1 washer (1,5mm) in the front of the motor to get more down thrust.
    CG on the wing bolt (without canopy attach)
    No radio mixtures for all flying attitudes.
    This is the best F3A plane I ever had, particularly good in maintaining the trajectories, snaps and tonneauxs.
    For 1500 € airplane, Sebart should change the hinges for dubro or similar, a stronger wood in the nose area to install the outrunner motors andimprove stab construction.

    Sebart sells 2 composite stabs for 400 €/575 USD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thanks for all the help/tips in the construction process.
    Luis Eiras




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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hello
    Finally got the Composite Wind S Pro
    You can feel the changes and some can actually see

    Wing pulled back more
    Larger Aileron surface
    It includes flow fences and accurate installation place
    Decreased thickness of the wing section
    Difficult to measure the difference of the wing root area,it is thickns end not aligned with the rest of the wing, it is noticeable
    the horizontal stabilizer Increased thickness
    Larger tail Anahdrl
    Aileron and horizontal stabilizer hinges are Skin hinges but the lower slot / gap is closed as F3J, F5J Style
    Coverage of Servos so that only the pusharod sticking out (F3J, F5J style)


    THE LUXORY BAG UNFORTUNATELY ARE NO MORE INCLUDED
    IN THE PRICE
    THEY ARE OPTIONALS... (SEBA words)


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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    mor pic will be in new thread

    http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10702803

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Arch,

    I ordered a set from Steve right after you and they came in the mail from the UK today. I will probably cover them tonight. Nice and light.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Mine haven't arrived yet. Hopefully today or tomorrow. Let me know what you think,

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    can anybody comment on the contrast while flying the plane of the different colour schemes? I have some problems with seeing correctly so any help I can get from the airplane is welcome!! The plane comes in RED, RED/BLUE, YELLOW/BLACK and GREEN. I like the RED/BLUE but I am afraid I will have difficulty with visibility. Alternative (I think) would then be the Yellow/Black one.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Volkert,

    I dont fly a Wind S Pro but I would have to vote that the Yellow based and Black and Red trim scheme is by far the easiest to see. That is just my opinion.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    It's also the least pretty (offcourse a matter of taste)

    As you know Volkert, I fly the 'standard red blue' one and it's visibility is fine. I have also see the other red/blue scheme fly, and had no problems seeing it.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    ugly but visible, I agree!

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hi,

    How is the visability in the air of the green/red Wind S Pro then? Like the blue/red?
    The red version better visibility then those two?

    /Bo

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hi,
    Without clouds the red and blue is fine, with clouds I have some difficulty so see the wings in the beginning of the straight lines. Last championship I lost the plane one time doing a vertical eight in the corner of the box.
    After discuss with some friends with the same problem I both glasses with yellow lenses, it’s a bit better but if you want visibility, go with the “beautiful” yellow.
    Regards
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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    To be completely honest, Volkert, I wouldn't buy the WindS pro 2m. If you can afford it, the MTL Gaudius is a better choice, so is the Krill Spark Dynamic/Evo (Roy has a brand new Spark Evo for sale!).

    After a year of flying with the WindS, I still have mixxed feelings about it. It all depends on what you want to do with it, but for P13, the WindS is, compared to other planes, a handicap. Before everyone here starts biting my head off; I love my WindS and even tho my earlier critisism, I do think it's a beautifull plane, but it's also a handfull, compared to some others. It's roll stability isn't great, neither is it's direction stability, it's a plane that needs constant care when flying it. This instability makes it great for difficult integrated manouvres, but for 'just flying a straing line', it's lesser suited. The P programmes are a lot of straight lines. The WindS 110 is actually better in that, than the WindS 140.

    If you do decide to buy a WindS pro, don't worry about weight. Mine weighs 4600 grams, and this is too light. Also don't buy this plane if you like a 'slow speed' flying style, because of it's instability it's unsuited for this style, it has a thin profile, thin stabs (probably also the reason why Seba thickened those on the CFG wing/stabs), it needs some speed.

    Build it at at least 4800 grams, probably the closer you get it to 5kg, the better. Power it with something (prop) which gives it enough speed, and then be prepared to really fly it, be on it's back all through the flight.

    I must also note that I fly it without wingfences or canalizer, next season I will be testing fences, I think this might solve some of the instability of the plane.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Added the tail fences this weekend. Definitely seemed more locked in during a cross wind. Not that the plane was bad before, but it was definitely better. Next up will be the wing fences. I am ordering the composite Wind on Monday and really looking forward to it. Having flown many different planes, including the ones mention above, I am going to respectfully disagree with Hezik. I think the Wind is equal to the Spark and night and day better than the Gaudius. Even Andrew Jesky really likes the Wind and has said that it is as close to his Sparks as anything he has found. Dave Lockhart, US national champion also really liked flying the Winds. I'm very anxious to try the composite version. I also disagree on the slow speed. Mine are around 4900 grams and they will comfortably fly slow, and the ones at the worlds were flown ultra slow. I would be curious to know where Hezik has his CG as mine is in front of the recommended range by Seba, and I've yet to find anyone who has flown it that really doesn't like it. Here is a picture of mine with the new stab fences. Thanks Steve,

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    I'm comparing to a Gaudius to which the owner has made some modifications, and about a programma like P11 or P13, which has lots of long straight lines in it.

    The Gaudius is WAY more stable in those than the WindS. As I understand from it's owner, the 'vanilla Gaudius' has issues with directional stability, the solution for him was to attach a small tube to the front of the vertical fin, which immediatly solved his issues with it. In the air it's as stable as, for instance, an Oxai Azurit or Axiome. The WindS definatly isn't, no matter where you put your CG. I have seen this stability issue in other WindS'ses as well.

    However, as with a lot in our hobby, it's also a matter of perspective. I'm just reflecting how I think about it, and that offcourse doesn't make it neccesarily the truth

    I started out with the wing as provided (did check if the incidences were equal) and quite a forward CG (more forward than Seba recommends). Before starting to change anything, I want to know how it flies, so I flew 100 flights with it and then changed the incidence on the wing (lowered it) and moved the CG back, a lot, which in effect made it more stable, especially at low speeds.

    Speed is offcourse a relative thing, so maybe we're talking about different things here.

    Howmany flights did the persons that you mention fly with it?

    It might also be that your extra weight, brings you the stability.. that's also why I say not to build it light.. yours is 300 grams heavier, which is a lot, especially in windy conditions, like we always have over here.

    At the worlds: were those the versions with wood wings/stabs?

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    You are right, it is a matter of personal preference. I'm not going to get into an argument with you. I know the opinions are very positive with the guys here in the states that have flown them, and they were very popular at the Worlds. I personally much prefer the Winds. I havent' seen any directional stability issues. I did however add the tail fences and it definitely locks a line in a cross wind better. Not sure what the wing fences will do when I get around to adding them,

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Let us know

    Over here (europe) opinions vary. Most owners (including myself) are happy with it, but also most have had lots of problems finding the right settings (CG,incidence, and so on). Being popular on any contest doesn't say that much, since this will be colored by the results Seba had with his (which is NOT the wood build version and also NOT the same plane), and because it's relatively cheap.

    I _am_ happy with it, do think it's a good airplane, but its one you really need to fly. You can't sit back and relax. Advantage of that is that ist's good in the difficult stuff (for a monoplane), but more work in the easy stuff. A bit like the Integral. Also I really do think the 300 grams your plane has over mine, makes a huge difference. Mine is simply too light, which is why I advise Volkert not to worry about weight.

    I think you misunderstand me, or I'm not explaining it right (probably).

    If you're ever in the Netherlands (next year we'll have a worldcup contest here! ), pass by for coffe, sharing experiences and we'll fly 2 straigt lines in wind; one with the WindS and one with the Gaudius. You'll immediatly see what I mean then

    Talking about airplanes is soo difficult, it's a lot of opinion not fact, the flying level of someone comes into play as well, as do a lot of personal preferences. Also, howmany flights has someone made with it? In the past I have also made the mistake of being enthousiastic or not about a plane after 3 flights or so, fact is you can't say much about a plane unless you've flown at least 100 flights with it.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hi All

    I have a general question about color schemes. Most of the time, when flying, we have cloudy skyes (white / gray (or mixed) clouds) here where I live.

    What color-scheme, ugly or not, will give me the best visibility ? I don't mean the color schemes of the Wind but color schemes in general !!

    Thanks in advance

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    I think on cloudy days, contrast is the key. All of the colors tend to turn dark, so you need very good contrast. Everyone's eyes are different and can see certain colors better. Personally I do not see yellow very well in low light conditinos while others do. I personally like a darker color contrasted with white. Others prefer darker contrasted with yellow. Figure out what colors show best for you and the develop a high contrast scheme with large color areas. Lots of small lines do not show up well and they all just blend together,

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    so another question (thanks for the responses!): I read somewhere in the thread somebody being very happy with the downlines, quite slow. Also I see comments on the Wind S being an efficient airframe, not using many mAh for a schedule.

    You would think a more draggy airplane would have slower downlines, but use more amps for a schedule. Or are those two different things? What are your experiences?

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    I think the biggest key to slow downlines is careful throttle management over the top. On the Wind, it is draggy, but does not accelerate a lot on a downline if you are careful over the top. Understanding the plane doesn't slow down well on its own, you need to start coming off the throttle slightly earlier. Also, prop choice is very important in this. The new Falcon ultra light 20.5X14.5 is incredible at this because it is so light and doesn't stay spooled up.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Seba flies his Wind S Pro with a Contra Rotating Drive, which will work well with a cleaner airframe because the two props on the Drive will provide a lot of torque free braking just by themselves, and then since this braking effect disappears when he throttles up, he also benefits from reduced mah battery consumption due to reduced airframe drag.

    Given this, when he designed the plane Seba may not have considered how well the plane flies with a single prop setup.

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    jjldk,

    In low light conditions also consider sunglasses as a tool to improve aircraft visibility. In even cloudy low light conditions it can be an advantage to wear sunglasses that not only managed glare but also brightens the sky’s contrast along with enhancing visibility of certain colors of your planes scheme. I wear yellow and amber tinted sunglasses in low light conditions which enhances the cub yellow the primary base color on my plane's color schemes. The sunglasses I wear come from RC Model glasses. Several of their offerings have interchangeable colored lenses that work well in various light conditions and for enhancing different colors like yellows and reds. Ask a tennis player what blue colored sunglasses do for a chartreuse/lime green colored tennis ball.
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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Glen brings up an excellent point. Sunglasses can make a huge difference. I also wear amber tinted glasses on low light days and it really makes a difference.

    Brenner,

    The Wind is draggier than you think and will slow down very nicely with a single prop setup and a break, but you have to be careful on the speed management over the top of stuff as well,

    The Contra definitely makes this easier,

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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Does anyone know of a firewall template for a rear mount outrunner? Thanks.
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    RE: Sebart Wind S Pro

    Hello Everyone

    I have just taken delivery of a WindPro. I was wondering how many of you use the rudder pull-pull and how many have mounted the rudder servo in the tail and used a direct linkage as shown in the assembly manual? I am planning to replace all the hinges with Robarts.

    Cheers

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