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Old 09-01-2007, 09:36 AM
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The manufacturer's market name is Heli Pro. We have a solid, open and honest relationship with them. After long term testing of the 450SE helicopter, we have made substantial progress improving a couple of the key components and in being able to provide our customers with a solid dependable electric line of RC helicopters. We are in the business of customer satisfaction. These are now sold at www.ka-planes.com


The following are the results of the review we went through to determine if we would sell these helicopters as your potential better Kopter.

VISUAL

The first thing I notice is silver/gray tail boom (450S). It has the visual look of being very thick and sturdy and the effect of the silver coloring on all of the metal parts and screws is really quite appealing.

The second area that I spot, is the head. It looks very thick and sturdy and the design is quite
solid. Bearings are added to crucial points in the linkage system to add more responsiveness
and smooth movements of the mechanisms.


WEIGHT

The weight of the 450S is 675g including the canopy and battery
(weighed it with a 11.1v 2200mAh battery 161g)
- excludes 34g for stock 310 mm blades


DIMENSIONS

Though the dimensions are listed by my manufacturer, I always like to measure a heli
myself and these are reflective of my measurements.

Length: ~550 mm
with canopy 650 mm = 25.5"
Width: 112 mm = 4.5"
Height: 240 mm = 9.4"
Main Rotor 675 mm = 26.5"
Main rotor blade length: 310 mm ea. = 12.2"
Tail rotor blade length: 55 mm ea.


ELECTRONICS

3200kv outrunner brushless motor,
Powertech 35A ESC
HobbyPro head lock gyro
11.1v 2200mah Lipo battery and charger. (charger does have the charge-finished light)
6 channel receiver WFly ( seems like a manufacturer for some big brand labels)
Tower Pro 9g servos

TRANSMITTER

The RTF includes a 6 channel FT06C WFLY helicopter transmitter also has features for an airplane. The feel as with most radios is good and suitable from an ergonomics perspective. The Tx has a pitch dial on the face, idle up (3D), throttle hold and dual rate toggles. This is a very nice radio receiver system and the more I use it the more I like it..


QUALITY CHECK

Ka-Planes accomplishes prior to selling

1 visual, nothing bent or broken
2 screws randomly checked for tightness and head looked at for adjustment
3 wires neatly tucked and connected properly
4 fly into a hover and adjust Rx, gyro or Heli as appropriate
5 forward flight and figure 8 to check for adjustment
We use our batteries in the radio and heli



OPERATING MANUAL

The manual is certainly a weakness and I plan to rewrite it or at least tweak it. The photos help clarify different things but the words are not always clear as they could and should be.


OTHER OBSERVATIONS

The Black Hawk is easy to work on and it seems to be a heli that not only has a great appearance, but it is also very sturdy with reliable electronics. The initial helicopter we tested starting in the March 2007 timeframe has withstood numerous tests.The electronics, now that the gyro has been upgraded, have all been very reliable. No complaints or failures.



The Black Hawk is assembled with phillips head screws vs hex head screws. Normally thiswould be a detriment and bother me, but the screws are not the cheap, flimsy, easy to strip head screws, they are a good gauge and I have not had a problem with them.



FLYING CHARACTERISTICS


The Black Hawk revs up smoothly and efficiently. The power combo (battery, ESC and motor) are powerful and the heli went into a hover with no trouble whatsoever. She is rock solid out of ground effect. Forward flight and rolls is smooth and effortless. Around the back yard and in the field the hawk is easy to navigate and is easy to see. The system is very responsive but not at all sloppy.


Upon landing, even a little hard, the heli seems very solid when hitting the ground, pavement and the garage floor.
Overall, this heli is a flyer!


SIDE-BY SIDES - not a debate, just my opinion

Black Hawk and the Falcon 3D
Price - both list for $299.99
BH is longer, wider, taller and more stable (BH is the same size as a Trex and the Falcon is more petite)
BH motor and ESC are more powerful, durable and dependable
BH gyro is more reliable
BH quality is slightly better
Falcon Canopy is more appealing though paint jobs quality suffers. Hot Pink has come out of the factory,
BH canopy is much thicker and sturdier.
Falcon cardboard box is better, has a handle and can be used as a case. The outer box of the BH is thin and does not have a handle.
Parts availability is better on the BH. Not restricted like with the Falcon's. Trex compatible in lots of areas. However, Zoom 400 parts common to the Falcon are being discovered and is taking some pressure off of the buyers.
More online support for the Falcon, as far as owners
Falcon tail boom and tail mechanism is inferior
Falcon head and linkages is flimsy
BH transmitter is superior


OVERALL - BLACK HAWK SAME PRICE, BETTER APPEARANCE,

BETTER QUALITY, BETTER SUPPORT, BEST INCOMING INSPECTION




Black Hawk and the Trex

The price of a Trex RTF (SE) varies, depending on installed options, from about $699 to over $1,000.
The Black Hawk S , nicely equipped, ranges from about $400 to $699 for a Thunderbolt 450Z
Black Hawk is less expensive in all models
BH and Trex sizes very similar
BH motor and ESC are not known names (HobbyPro) vs Align
BH gyro name not internationally recognized as with Align
BH and Trex quality, no apparent difference
BH canopy is longer but Trex canopies fit the BH nicely
BH box includes styro inside but box is not a case with a handle
BH parts available and Rex 450 compatible is some areas. Trex parts availability superior.
More online support for the Trex, as far as owners
Trex head is similar
Transmitters vary depending on options selected
some parts thickness measurement comparisons (metal version)

carbon frame - same

metal head - B Hawk thicker

tail - B Hawk thicker but has a plastic slider


OVERALL - BLACK HAWK QUALITY SEEMS THE SAME OR SIMILAR AS TREX's AND IN SOME AREAS BETTER

VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpAiCmuLAzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEOmbOYlxvw


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Nice job Mike! I was hoping that you would start a new thread so we can get a support group going. Good luck.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:17 AM
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Default RE: The Better HeliPro Black Hawk

I am posting around trying to determine if the DX6 will be a good system or do I need to go to a DX7? Poeple are saying the 6 is for park flyers but I have seen them advertised with TRex as well.
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the RCU review says the DX6 is real good for the helis though range is short for the long distance glow airplane guys and

"One of the “killer features” on the DX6 is its helicopter program. The DX6 can handle throttle and pitch curves, CCPM, and revolution mixing. This allows you to use the DX6 for micro helicopters like the Blade CP and also larger electric helicopters like the T-REX."
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:35 PM
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some other responses to posts show if wold be ok but I am sorting of eyeing the new mini cessna 210 airplane.
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Old 09-03-2007, 10:57 AM
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yes, nice little plane but if its windy might have a problem. I like helis because you can go just about anywhere. When you get to the 450 and 500 sizes, they are fairly good in moderate wind and dont have to have a big field to fly. With that said, I do have a couple of park flyers and I do enjoy them when I can get to a good sized field.
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You are over here too.? I am sort of new to this and will be checking in because I can use all the help I can get.
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email me at the store as well if you need anything else Blaze.
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black hawk 500 and a falcon 3d
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Hey Mr Mike. Thanks for the pictures (twice LoL). I also set my falcon next to my black hawk but mine is a 450. Do the 315mm blades you sell work well on the 450?
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I bought some 315s and they did fine. Havent tried the longer 325s though.
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ORIGINAL: Helihap

I bought some 315s and they did fine. Havent tried the longer 325s though.
thank you - Mr M sent me a message as well and suggested that I try 325s as well. Cheap blades are a big deal and at least you can use them with this heli.
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I think that I am nearing readiness for my first 3D attempt but I am a little apprehensive. Any info on where to get more education on this?
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Mr Mike Sr was a lot of help with my beginner questions. I don't know if he is a 3D guy but you may want to check.
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I have been playing with the radio some. If you unlock it and adjust the pitch, you can get some pretty cool throttle lift action. I mess with it some then put it back to the settings Mr Mike used. Jr told he Sr keeps them fairly calm for the average to intermediate flyer.
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Helihap, you seem to be closing in to intermediate/advanced. How long have you been in the air? 3D will be really cool and I hope to someday do aerobatics. I fly with idle up most of the time to get head speed and keep things running cool but have not tried to turn it over. Not really sure what the steps are. Anyways, would like to save on crashing for a while longer.
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The 500 is a beast. Like the size of it and pure stability. I think anything 450 and up us the best way to go.
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there does seem to be quite a bit of better air float, so to speak, once you go from a 300 to 400 size to a 450. Seems like that is where the real heli flying begins, at least IMHO. I moved up from blades and falcons to 450s and it is much better flying plus I can see it better while in the air LoL
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I am going to get the align spindle shaft that goes between the main blades to see if they fit. Not busted yet but have read on other helicopters this might be something to replace once I get a little more in the air or rather when I eventually crash from higher than a few inches. Hopefully I am airborne this week. I don't use training gear and I wonder if it would be a wise thing to do.
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Blaze, as far as gear there are multiple schools of thought. They certainly take a bit of the force when hitting the ground and take some pressure off of breaking blades and different heli parts. However, they make the flight characteristics much different and they can create more instability and make the helicopter wobble. When I first stared I used them and a pro told me he learned without them and they made the heli unstable. So I took mine off and within a day was hovering then shortly thereafter flying around. Later, when I was in the yard and was trying to advance to other flying techniques, I added the gear back to the heli.
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I will stick with the current game plan since I am making some good progress this way.
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I reneg on the training gear. When I want to try something that stretches my abilities I stick some on just for the confidence boost. Question, I stripped a servo, Can I replace one servo and leave the stock servos in place?
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I have done that before but I think a matched trio is the right way to go so the response is exactly the same for all of them. I didn't really worry about that and I didn't have a problem. However, woith that said, it is recommended to have the same servos specs. I always put a really good servo on the tail.
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