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Old 07-23-2010, 10:22 AM
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are you saying it flys good for a beginner because banana hobby says its good for a beginner? This is not true. bi planes are typically almost as bad as a trainer choice than an edf. Banana just wants buisness so they label every one of their planes as "perfect for beginner to advanced pilots" when in truth its prefect for them because a beginner will have to buy 3 or 4 of them to learn to fly. bi planes can have very high roll rates and little of the "self correcting" characteristics we talked of earlier. also from a distance or when the plane becomes silhouetted against the sky its very hard to tell the top of the plane from the bottom as there is a wing on both sides. I wish I had the pic but some one had one where it showed a biplane at various orientations then blacked it out so it whas silhouetted and you couldnt tell top from bottom. so Orientation is hard for beginners especially. Also for your first plane I would suggest leaning towards a more name brand manufacture or distributer like the tower hobbies or horizon hobbies. Sure you'll pay a few more bucks but their customer service and quality control is much better. And as a beginner you'll not be as experienced to discover faulty servos or speed controllers. and though ive heard banana hobbies is turning their act around. they had nothing but horror stories a year ago. Ive been considering buying from them now that they have started to get some positive feed back but I still wouldnt buy a plane with electronics from them. I'll only buy a airframe and put my own electronics in. Too many stories of their cheaper no name servos and esc's burning up.

You seem hell bent on electric so I cant point out to much to help you as ive only just started in electrics and havnt had or seen any electric trainers (mine is a alpha 40 glow trainer what i learned on). but one option ive heard is a good trainer is the nextstar which has an electric version. Or get a super cub, everyone recommends the super cub, and modifing it to have ailerons is easy enough so you can get comfortable flying a 3 channel plane then cut out ailerons hinge them and add a servo and you have a 4 channel plane.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:46 PM
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I guess you are right. Banana Hobby has had so many bad reviews it is scaring me away. Bi plane, looked like it flew for a beginner but I'll stay away. Thanks for the heads up.

I think I found the plane I want. However, I am confused though. It is the RedCat Cessna 182 Class 500. But while looking around I saw that Art Tech has an almost identical Cessna. Does anyone know about these planes? Where to buy them even. I coudn't seem to find anywhere to get them. If I get the OK on this my wallets out!

Here's the red cat video...
www.youtube.com/watch

Thats the in box video, theres assembly and maiden. THEN there's the Art Tech Class 500 that pretty much looks the same. Here's a thread it was being discussed on a forum.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1263377

I really like this plane already and would pay a bit more for it. If anyone knows anything about it please let me know!




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Old 07-24-2010, 02:07 AM
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I guess you are right. Banana Hobby has had so many bad reviews it is scaring me away. Bi plane, looked like it flew for a beginner but I'll stay away. Thanks for the heads up.

I think I found the plane I want. However, I am confused though. It is the RedCat Cessna 182 Class 500. But while looking around I saw that Art Tech has an almost identical Cessna. Does anyone know about these planes? Where to buy them even. I coudn't seem to find anywhere to get them. If I get the OK on this my wallets out!

Thats the in box video, theres assembly and maiden. THEN there's the Art Tech Class 500 that pretty much looks the same. Here's a thread it was being discussed on a forum.

I really like this plane already and would pay a bit more for it. If anyone knows anything about it please let me know!
Same company, many different names. Airfield RC for Nitroplanes.com. BlitzRc for Banana Hobby. eRC from Hobby Lobby, etc. etc, etc. If its scale that can double as a trainer, then this one will fill the bill. And from that video, you get a flight simulator in the RTF(Ready to Fly) version.

Now for the next bit of advice. WHen you start flying this model, dont jerk your movements. By that I mean don't treat the transmitter as if you are playing a Gameboy/Playstation/Xbox controller. Small control movements are best. You don't jerk the wheel of your car to make a normal lane change when driving (Or I should say-You should not!). Some folks like to control the sticks with just their thumbs on top of the control sticks. I however was taught to "pinch" the sticks between thumb and forefingers. I think I have better control over the aircraft that way. I know others will disagree with me on that.

Also, while you can mailorder this Cessna 182. I will still urge you to try and locate a flying club in your area for instruction and visit their airfield to see how things are done. How the pilots operate in the pit area, the traffic pattern, stuff like that.

Good luck with your flying now....
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Old 07-24-2010, 02:16 AM
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Thanks! But the thing is, I can't find anywhere to buy it. I checked everywhere, ebay and lots of RC stores. Only one I found was in UK, and I can't buy from there. Do you have any ideas to where I can purchase it? I will try to locate a fly club and see whats going on. Thanks again for helping!
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:10 AM
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1. BlitzRCWorks Cessna 182 RTF(http://www.bananahobby.com/1813.html).

2. ArtTech Cessna(http://www.bananahobby.com/1865.html).

3. non-scale trainer (http://www.bananahobby.com/1651.html).

Please consider these first before moving on to a fan jet or aerobatic bi-plane.
I don't know the name of the company that builds these RTFs for Banana Hobby, Nitroplanes, etc. But here is a quick list I composed over the past 20 minutes of searching...

From Hobby King.com

1. Cessna 182 RTF 18a brushless motor with 4 servos $64.95 (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...ess_w/_4_Servo). plus don't forget the shipping charges from overseas!

2. Lanciar-missed named on HK's website as Cessna 400(http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...n-Fly_RC_Plane). I've seen this plane fly in person. Its a good flyer. But it and the Cessna need to be landed on the main gear, not on the nose wheel! Or you will be repairing foam.

3. A bigger Plug and Play/ARF Cessna from Hobby King (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10339&Product_Name=Durafly_Cessna_182_1.4meter_5Ch_(with _flaps)_Plug-n-Fly).

4 Busy-Bee (http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8924&Product_Name=Busy-Bee_Electric_airplane_W/Motor,Servo,ESC_(Great_for_FPV)).

From Hobbyzone.com

1. Apprentice 15e RTF w/ DX5e radio-$299.99 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/EFL2725.html).

2. SuperCub LP RTF $179.99 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/index/in...f/HBZ7300.html).

3. NexStar EP mini RTF w/ 2.4GHz radio (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/index/in.../HCAA0705.html).

4. FlyZone Cessna 182 RTF w/ 2.4 GHz radio-$149.97 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/index/in.../HCAA2505.html).

5. P-51 Mustang mk2 PTS RTF from Hangar 9. $399.00 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/...f/HAN4425.html).

6. Hangar 9 Alpha 40 DSM2 RTF $299.99 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/...f/HAN4400.html). Personally, I would go with this one even though its glow power. But if you want to stick with only electrics...

7. Hobbico NexStar 46 4 ch RTF - $349.98. (http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc-planes-h...select-rtf.htm). Another glow power trainer I would recommend.

8. NexStar BL EP select RTF $429.99 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/...tf/HCAA09.html). the elct version to item #7 above I think.

9. Hangar 9 T-34 Mentor 25 ePTS RTF for $449.99 (http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/...f/EFL4800.html).

Nitroplanes.com

1.Cessna 182 from AirField RC. $139.00 (http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a182-sk...-v3-white.html).

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Thank you so much for putting time into putting that list together. I am pretty interested in the second on your list. However mostly everything else is out of my price range. I'm still looking around for that Art Tech Cessna I showed you earlier and only found it on Banana Hobby, which is so overpriced. I might go for it but im taking my time.
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Thank you so much for putting time into putting that list together. I am pretty interested in the second on your list. However mostly everything else is out of my price range. I'm still looking around for that Art Tech Cessna I showed you earlier and only found it on Banana Hobby, which is so overpriced. I might go for it but im taking my time.
Hi RelaxedFire,

I have the Art Tech Eurofighter and love it.. Please take the advice that you should NOT be learning on a plane like this.

I understand you say a trainer is out of our price range but how will you feel if you TOTALLY destroy the Euro on your first flight - If you are a Beginner this is HIGHLY Likely.

You need to gain the eye hand co ordination and muscle memory on a slower more forgiving plane - Your control inputs and corrections have to be automatic when flying a jet like this... by the time you think "which way do I push the stick" it will be a pile of broken foam and electrics laying on the ground..

A simulator is the most cost effective way to give yourself that coordination and muscle memory, but a basic training aircraft will be worth it's weight in gold for you..

Having said that when you are ready to fly it, you will love it... here are a few tips I have picked up from my Euro - Youtube vids below...

1. The CG is critical... If it is just 1/2 inch too far forward the plane loses a lot of manouverability. It will still fly stable and I was flying it like that for a while, but when I corrected the CG it became a different plane, much more manouverable and capable of some beautiful slow high alpha passes... It takes off better and lands better. So the CG is critical.

2. Weight... Keep it as light as possible... It has good power but not overly so - the stock battery is 1600 Mah but that needs a fair chunk of lead in the tail to balance it.. I now only use 1300 mah 30C batteries, with one small fishing lead sinker glued between the two engine nacelles at the back and the planebalances andfliesPERFECTLY!

These batteries give you about 2 mins 45seconds of flight.. I use an electronictimer... landing after this time will have 25% remaining in the batteries (not good todrain LiPos too low)

This may seem short but I'd rather have a zippy high performer for just under 3 minutes than a heavy more sluggish plane for 5 mins (ie a bigger battery) but that is just my opinion.

3. The supplied landing gear wheels are rubbish, and mine would not take off from grass with the stock wheels.. I replaced both the mains with Dubro 2.25 wheels and the nose with a Dubro 1.5 and it now takes off from grass beautifully ( Even better since I perfected the CG)

3. The supplied radio that came with my Euro looked cheap and nasty so I replaced it with a Futaba 6EX 2.4ghs and a 617 FASST reciever - it doubled the cost of setting up theplane, but for me, a good radio is cheap insurance. This also made it easier to set up differential elevon (ie more up throw than down - as this will give you far better axial rolling)

4. When you set up the elevons, they should both be set to just 1/2 the thickness of the elevon above the trailing edge of the wing.. This works perfectly for me with the CG I now use

Here is a video of my elevon movment.

www.youtube.com/watch

This next video is of the plane just before the first flight - it still has stock wheels at this point and the elevons were set slightly too high

www.youtube.com/watch

And two videos of it flying... I have over 100 flights on it now.. no crashes and I love it

Circuits (you can see the new wheels clearly at the begiining of this)- www.youtube.com/watch

Some Low Fast passes - www.youtube.com/watch

And finally - a flight with one of those on board key chain cameras... www.youtube.com/watch You can hear my electronic timer beeping after my landing...

The past few days I have taken it flying at the local park just before sunset.. The air has been completely STILL and a warm 28 degrees (c). Perfect flying conditions, and I just do low passes withabout 30 degrees nose up andthe plane barely moving more than 10 kph..and about 60% power. Rock Steady and stable in the calm conditions... The spectators love these low slow passes 3 feet off the ground and it just looks AWESOME!
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PS..  has anyone tried modifying this plane so the Canards work?

I'm thinking of a simple mod where each canard is connected to the opposite side elevon..

IE.. left elevon goes up.. Right Canard deflects down.. (giving more lift at the front)

This would give you both correct pitch and roll movement on both canards...

I"ll post more info if / when I get around to trying it.
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Wow, you really didn't have to take video for me man. Thanks alot! I will definatly take you're advice and I am still looking around for some Cessnas or some other beginner. Also, if you modified the Canards that would be AMAZING. Thanks for the info.
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Try checking out: electricrcstartersguide.info

A trainer model would be the best for someone new. Rc planes are pretty complex.
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