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Old 08-16-2003, 10:14 PM
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id recommend a firebird outlaw its great to learn with but it cant do loops or any types of acrobatics. but im also new to rc and i started wit a firbird xl and had so much trouble with it . So when i herd about the firbird outlaw in my magazine i thought id get 1 so about 5 days ago i picked 1 up and went flying at my local highschool i ahd a few crashes and nothing at all happend except i did lose my landing gear a few times but the wing or tail didnt break. so after some fine tunning of the v tail it flew perfectly. It has great turning. i flew flights about 3 to 4 minutes long.

I duno this plane really helped me out in the world of rc planes and i hope if u get this model it helps u. It goes for about 47$

or u can check out hobbyzones website www.hobbyzonesports.com
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o ye it comes with everything so u dont have to buy any parts or servos or anything of that nature it even includes a remotcontroll
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:24 AM
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New flyers might find my brief Park Flyer history helpful.

My first plane was a Slow Stik. At the time, I didn?t know what I was doing and kept stalling and breaking props. Things like center of gravity (COG) and other basic flying concepts weren?t getting properly grasped. So I put the Stik aside and ran down to the local hobby store and bought a Firebird II. This is the plane I learned how to fly on. I paid the price; hung it up in trees and even had one go too far up and get blown away never to be seen again. The Firebird II has no elevator control and cannot do very tight turns. However, the Firebird II is inexpensive, crashworthy, and will give the new pilot very important "Stick time" in which to become familiar with turning the plane while flying towards and away from a given reference point.

Next I bought an Aerobird and it about killed me. One day it flies ok and the next day it crashes. The Aerobird always had something going wrong with it, servos, radio, COG shift, etc. My Aerobird has been sold and is no longer in my hangar.

Next I bought a GWS Tiger Moth and this plane really built my 3 ch confidence back up after the Aerobird nearly killed it. The Moth is easy to fly and land on those breezeless evenings. After flying the Moth I went back to the Slow Stik and learned to fly it in all types of conditions.

I also now have a Graupner Terry that flies like a demon. The Terry cannot take rough landings so I would not call it a beginner?s plane. The Terry also can fly very fast very quickly and can catch the novice off guard.

A couple of months ago I bought the Sky scooter Pro II to practice landings to build up a confidence level with the Terry landings and try a plane with ailerons. The Scooter is a blast to fly and the upgrades purchased at Servo City make plane really perform. The scooter can land hard and fast if needed and would make a great beginners plane. You do need a large field, especially if you are a new R/C pilot.

If I did it all again I would have bought the Scooter instead of the Aerobird. The planes cost about the same but with the Scooter you get real R/C gear and a plane that flies and turns a heck of alot better.

In conclusion, I could have learned to fly using the Scooter. Based on what I know now, the Sky Scooter would have been a better first plane choice for me going the self taught route.

Fair winds.....
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I just posted this on another thread, but just food for thought. I went with a Slow Stick based on research I did here it seemed like a wise choice. I haven't flown it yet, but I got it from E-bay for $166 shipped, so that wouldn't hurt your wallet too much. The same seller has them listed constantly on ebay. You may want a better radio or charger, but I thought it was a good start for me. Here is a link below for the one I bought.
[link=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3143514315&category=2563&rd=1]Ebay Slow Stick[/link]
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Old 09-10-2003, 01:07 PM
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You will find this and lots of other posts from me on the Aerobird including tips and tricks. A great first plane. Note that they have just released a new version of the Aerobird called the Aerobird Challenger that should be even better than the original.

How about a personal review of the Aerobird from a new RCer, me.

I would recommend this as a first plane for people on a tight budget, who are flying in an open grass field, very large parking lot, large school yard or large athletic field. I would also recommend this plane for people who are planning to learn to fly on their own as it is very easy to fly. I fly in a large open field and taught myself to fly.

I would not recommend it to people who will be flying at a highly controlled field where landing on a runway is mandatory. These types of fields usually require a buddy box for new pilots and the Aerobird's radio will not take a buddy cord. Also, there is no steerable wheel on the plane so you can not effectively taxi around the field.

I looked at the Firebird II, XL, Fighterbird and other two channel planes. They are fun, but limited. Among other things they are very easy to lose in the wind as you can not put the nose down to come back against the wind. This makes them very easy to lose if you fly in more than 5-7 MPH winds. With three channels you have a lot more control, so I went with the Aerobird.

I was not interested in building. I wanted a RTF that could take some punishment. After several months of research, talking to people, flyers and non, I bought an Aerobird and am very happy with the plane. Here are the plusses and minuses as I see it after 60+ flights.

The Aerobird is very inexpensive and rugged for a three channel starter -
$125 (e-bay) to $150 RTF at your local hobby store.
The plane comes complete and fully assembled. Charge the flight battery, put
on the wing, put in the transmitter batteries (included) and up you go! Don't
forget to watch the included Video and read the friendly manual, RTFM.

A new flyer, particularly a self taught flyer is going to crash. You want a
plane that can survive this period however if you crash too hard, there is a
full line of parts available at reasonable cost. You can replace the whole
main fuselage for $49 including the motor and all the flight electronics. A
wing is $15 and the tail is $9. So, if you crash badly you can get everything
for under $75 and you are back in the with a three channel plane.

Batteries and charger:

The battery will run for a full 5-6 minutes at full throttle and 12-15 minutes
at half throttle. Unlike many of the 2 channel starter planes that come with a
2-3 hour house charger, the Aerobird it comes with a peak charger that you can
use in your car. If you pick up two spare batteries you can stay in the air
all day. A full charge takes about 40 minutes.

The Aerobird also has an X-Pak hop up kit available for about $30. It includes
a 7 cell battery (the basic is 6) and a larger tail. This makes the plane
faster and more maneuverable. So, once you get good you can soup it up! I
bought the X-Pak when I bought mine. I used the 7 cell as my second battery
and saved the tail for later. I have since gone to the X-Tail.

WIND

All new flyers should start in winds under 5 MPH so that you are learning to
fly the plane rather than fighting the wind. I didn't do that and crashed a
lot because of the wind. However, now I am very comfortable flying this plane
in 10-15 MPH winds.

27 MHZ vs 72 MHZ Radio

The Aerobird uses a 27 MHZ radio which is assigned to general use for planes,
cars and boats; mostly low end stuff. There are only 6 available channels, so,
if you have a kid with a RC car in the same area where you are flying, and he
is on the same channel you are on, and he switches on his transmitter, you
will lose control of the plane and probably crash. With 72 MHZ radio
systems, this will happen if you get two flyers on the same channel, but 72
MHZ is dedicated to airplanes and has 50 channels available. I have never had
this problem, but it can
happen.

I love the single stick radio. The rudder and elevator are on the stick and
the throttle is on a slide under your left thumb. It is similar to a Futaba
or Hitec single stick arrangement. I find it very comfortable to use and
other flyers who have tried it say they find it easy as well.

Join a club if there is one in your area. Some clubs will not admit 27
MHZ based planes because they can't be flown with a buddy box, a dual control
system, that is used for pilot training.
That was not an issue for me as my club, www.lisf.org, admits these planes.
After long consideration I bought the Aerobird,

Here is a review of the Aerobird
http://www1.wildhobbies.com/news/def...&articleid=853
On these pages you will find Videos of the Aerobird in flight
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/aerobird_video.html
http://www.modelflight.com.au/model_flight_videos.htm

If you are looking for yoru first plane, another plane I like is the Sky
Scooter Pro II. You can get it as an ARF or as a RTF package with a 72 MHZ
Hitec 3 channel radio for about $160. When I bought the Aerobird, this
package was $260, now it is $160 and well worth your consideration.
http://www.hitecrcd.com/Funtec/Pro2.htm
Videos
http://www.hitecrcd.com/Funtec/videos.htm

So, that's my evaluation of the Aerobird and why I purchased it. It has been
my vehicle to learn to fly. I don't work for hobbyzone, nor am I compensated
in any way for my review of the plane. I am just a very satisfied customer.

Can you move on to other planes from an Aerobird? Sure!

With what I have learned flying the Aerobird, and some helpful guidance from
members of our club, I have now expanded my flying with the addition of a pure
sailplane, a Great Planes Spirit Select RTF package.
http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma16.html If you want to see something
exciting, watch a sailplane being launched from a hi-start, then gracefully
float across the sky like a sailboat on the sea.

I have also added an Electrajet which is a 3 channel delta wing type plane.
http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/arti...electrajet.asp The
Electrajet is an ARF, so it had to do some building and add the electroncis
myself.

I have two friends in the club who have had other planes for years. After
flying my Aerobird, both bought Aerobirds of their own and are having a ball
with them. One even successfully thermals with his.



Whatever plane you choose, I hope you enjoy it!
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Old 09-10-2003, 01:26 PM
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I’m gonna stick my 2 cents worth in here and I hope it make sense to other beginners. There’s 2 kinds of “beginner” planes:

1) One kind is for those who just want to get something in the air that flies, includes everything, and are really inexpensive. These include all the 2-channel planes like Firebirds, Outlaws, Wattage Lightings, E-Gulls, etc. Add throttle they climb. No throttle they glide down. They circle left. They circle right. That’s it. Very, very easy, and fun to mess around with, but do not expect these to teach you “how to fly”.

2) The other kind has 3- channels and act more like real planes in the air. These will teach you how to fly, and you’ll have much more control over them. The separation of the throttle and the elevator is a major improvement over (and a rude awakening if you started with) the others above. You need to start off with one of these if you intend to move on in the hobby and you need to learn how to fly. Good ones are the Aerobird or the new T-Hawk coming out, but the most highly recommended one as the best to start out with is the Slow Stick. These cost 2-3 times as much (by the time you get everything)- but you’re getting 2-3 times the plane that's 2-3 times more fun.

The bottom line is there are cheap beginner setups. There are good, but more expensive, beginner setups. There isn't a good cheap beginner setup. If there was, we'd all have one.
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Old 09-21-2003, 10:33 PM
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I am teaching a student with the Aerobird Challenger, this plane has held up really well to abuse and flys great. At $149.00 street price this is a great deal. However, the radio gear won't transfer to a traditional type of RC plane.
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