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Old 06-22-2005, 09:21 AM
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I've spent most of the summer flying a Wing Dragon and having a lot of fun with it, and am at the point where I am ready to "Move Up" so to speak. The Wing Dragon is a great plane to learn on, and was great for someone like me who has very little time, and wants to spend what little time I have flying instead of building. As I look toward my second plane, I'm looking for more universal parts that can be used in future planes, as opposed to continuing to buy new RTF planes every time.

My problem is that I'm still a bit leary of LHS's. 8 years ago I was a 20 year old kid with stars in my eyes and went into my local LHS looking to get into model airplanes. The owner told me they were out of trainers but that I looked like I could handle a glow engine Spitfire... (I'm sure you know where this goes from here.)

$900 later, I still have the Futaba Radio from that endeavour, but that is about it. It took me quite a while to get back into a position where I could enjoy the hobby again, and I just want to do it right. I work at a Drag Strip and work most weekends and a lot of late nights, but I do use the track as my own airfield, doing touch-and-go's on the track, skimming the grandstands, and weveing between the light towers. However it is a rarity that I can get to a Hobby Shop, as my nearest is an hour away, the same distance as the nearest RC Flight Club. So in a lot of ways I feel on my own, and am just looking for help putting together a good 4 Channel Cesna shaped plane/package that uses "Standard" Equipment I can use in future planes.

I've seen a lot of packages around on the internet, but many seem to be the bare minimum necessary for that plane. NiCad Batteries or cheap chargers etc. I know not everything can go from one plane to another, but I would like to have fun with the hobby, and not get burned by it again.
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Old 06-22-2005, 12:20 PM
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Well, if you want to go electric, gwsexpert.com has a nice deal on slowsticks. They have the plane with all the things it needs: http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=345 and you can add a receiver and a crystal etc to it. Most of these parts will transfer to a different plane. This is without a transmitter, since you already have one. If you wanted the complete package with everything, you should select beginner packages from the left side menu, and then whichever one you want. I know the slowstick is a great plane to learn on, but if you want a faster plane and 4 channel, then try the e-starter, which they also have under the Package Deals section

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Old 06-22-2005, 01:51 PM
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Thanks, I had been thinking about the E-Starter simply because I wanted to step up to a 4 channel setup. My one concern is the batteries. The E-Starter kit at that site says it doesn't come with a battery (though the picture shows one in the kit) and the main reason I wanted to buy parts instead of RTF was that I wanted to just start with LiPo batteries and get the charging equipment for that only. What battery and ETC would go with an E-Starter?
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Old 06-22-2005, 06:23 PM
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Check out the electric planes at hobby-lobby.com. I have delt with them many times and they always deliver. The package is usually at my door in two days. This nice part about dealing with them is all the parts needed to complete the plane are listed with the airplane, so its guaranteed to fly well. They also have video's of most of them. These components can also be used in other planes. There are many other great places on line to buy planes but this is maybe the easiest for a newbie. Good luck.
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Old 06-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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This may help. I recently put together a complete slow-stick package for myself and two friends.
Here's a link to a little writeup I created that shows 2 slow stick packages.
http://www.geocities.com/kdahlhaus/RcPlaneWriteup.pdf
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:41 AM
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Never seen a wing dragon before, but my guess would be that a Slow Stick is not one step up.

Not sure of your skill level, if you start with the Estarter, you may want to wait until you have crashed, er, flown, for a while before you get into Lipos. They are not as crash resistant as other types of batteries.

If you do decide on the Estarter, your choice of battery will vary depending on the motor you get with it. It comes in a variety of flavours. It used to come with the option of a 350 motor, but Tower only has the 400 motor so maybe GWS is packaging it only with that motor now. The 350 flys well with a 7 cell battery. I use Cheap battery packs' 1150 mah Nimh cells which work fine. If you get the 400 motor, you probably want to step up to an 8 cell battery. Get some good cells, ones that will provide enough amps for the motor. You will likely end up carving some foam to make them fit & balance the plane though.

I quite like the Estarter. It's my third plane.
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Yeah the Wing Dragon is probably similar to a Slow Stick, as it is a 3 channel plastic/foam plane similar to a Multiplex EasyStar. It was a great way to get back into the sport, flies pretty well, and has taken quite a beating and keeps on flying. On a calm day (kind of a rarity where I fly unfortunately) I'll play around a bit with soaring, on a 10-12 mph wind day (the norm) I'll point it into the wind and let the wind assist in aerobatics. It does get tossed around a bit by the wind, but in a lot of ways that makes it more exciting to fly.

What I am looking for though is something that can handle the wind a little better, so I can spend a little more time in control instead of "Riding a bucking bronco" I also want to move up to an airplane with alerons to continue my progression up with the sport.
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check out the squirt 400 from stevens aeromodel with the optional aileron wing
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Sounds like your ready for the GWS Tigermoth 400. A good updatable plane Flies good with the existing setup but will work better with a Himax 2025 -4200 motor. Good update also is a Triton charger, which is very versatile. Thunder Power 2100 ma lipo batt. Tkis power system can be used in many planes. I have the same system in a GWS Zero which a little hotter. If you have a confined space the TM 400 would be the better of the two. The TP 2100 batt will cruise around for 1/2 hr on a charge. Hope this helps.
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Thanks everyone for the comments. Am I being unrealistic in thinking I am going to take some components from whatever plane I get and put it in future planes? Generally do people have a radio for each plane, or a a few that they can use in whatever plane they decide to take out of the "Hangar" that day. Maybe I'm trying to be overly cost conscious after getting burned the last time, but I keep looking at every possible plane and thinking, "What other planes could I used this Motor/Servo's/ETC/Batteries/ in."

I had so much fun with the Wing Dragon, because I took it out of the box and flew it. Now I'm finding myself spending more time worring about buying the wrong stuff that I'm missing out on the fun. I guess I'm just looking for general perspective on how other people build and fly. If it is not a waste to have new equipment for each plane, I'll quit worrying about it and get another plane.
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Many of the radios today have multi plane memory. If I want to fly the Zero, I go into model memory and punch in that plane and all the controlls go in the right direction, right amount of throw, etc. plug the batt in and fly. Trans holds 36 models, I think, and I have 21 installed. Many planes you can leave the servos in and move the motor, speed control and rcvr, from plane to plane. One screw to hold the motor on and velcro to hold the controller and rcvr. I always take 4 or 5 planes with me, ready to go. Once you buy all the goodies they can be very cheap to fly if you build your own. this one is an 8.00 sheet of depron and the motor you build yourself for 10.00 for the kit.
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MORE ADVANCED PLANES -
After you master a starter plane, what should you go to next. That is all
according to where your interests lie. There are 4 channel aileon planes, 3
channel aerobatics planes and then there are the extreme aerobats, pattern
planes and 3D planes. Which you choose is up to you.


THREE CHANNEL ELEVATOR/AILERON OR ELEVON PLANES
These planes introduce ailerons but do it on a 3 channel design without a
rudder. They typically have throttle/aileron/elevator control, or they have
elevons which combine the function of ailerons and the elevator into one
surface. They are quite aerobatic with the limitation that having no rudder
they can not perform rudder guided or enhanced manauvers. Knife edges, for
example, make extensive use of the rudder. There are a few RTF packages
here. The rest are ARF or kits and will require you to buy a radio system.

These are a lot of fun!

Computer Radios - The recommended path for almost everyone
http://www.rcezine.com/cms/article.php?cat=&id=65


Carbon Falcon -
This may be the ultimate take it with you plane
Folds up to almost nothing for travel or for
keep in the car fun!
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/p2.html
Review
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?...at=198&id=4236
Video
http://www.acesim.com/rc/p2/videos.html

F27-Stryker - RTF - $170
Fun Keep-in-the-car plane
Just pop off the tail fins and it goes back in the box!!!!!
http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...p?prod=PKZ1200
Video
http://rc-galaxy.com/Video/F-27_Stry...ris_7-9-04.wmv
http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/p...mallformat.wmv
http://www.hobbyzone.com/rc_videos/p...yker_video.wmv
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=392

Sky Scooter Pro 2 RTF - Also available ARF - 3 Channel
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/sky_scooter_pro_2.html
Video - Stock
http://www.hitecrcd.com/MikesSpace/Movies/ssclip2.wmv


Multiplex Space Scooter - RTF
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGZV5&P=7
ARF
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXGZV4&P=7
Video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/fil..._sun_stunt.wmv

Multiplex Microjet - ARF
http://www.multiplexusa.com/product_fs.htm
video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/fil..._launching.wmv
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/fil...ight_speed.wmv

Viper Twin - ARF
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/viper.html
review
http://www.parkflyers.com/Viper_RCM_PSD_LowPDF.pdf
Video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/trailervid.html
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/smoothvid.html

Zagi XS - ARF
http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=...&products_id=1
Video page
http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_p...812dbc8b76c42f

Zagi XT - ARF
http://zagi.com/index.php?main_page=...&products_id=5
Video Page
http://www.zagi.com/index.php?main_p...812dbc8b76c42f

IFO - Easy to build kit
Demo at the 2000 Tournament of Champions
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/toc2000.mpg
Flying Combat in a gym
http://www.wildrc.com/htmlpages/movies/mk3combat.mpg

Park Jet - Easy to build kit
http://mountainmodels.com/parkjet.php
Video
http://mountainmodels.com/ParkJet.wmv


FOUR CHANNEL AILERON TRAINERS
These planes introduce the full set of flight controls consisting of
ailerons/elevator/rudder/throttle. They are a logical next step for the
pilot who wants to take their flying skills to full 4 channel control. All of
these planes can perform aerobatics, but are primarily designed as 4 channel
trainers with high wing designs . This makes them easier to fly but less
aerobatic than the mid or low wing planes. RTF, ARF & Kits

Magpie - with both wing kits - $55
Easy to build Foam kit -
Has trainer wing AND and aileron sport wing
Master the first, then advance to the second.
They offer a complete package with both wings and all the electroncis for $160
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...51#post3502851
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...51#post3502851
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv

SmoothE - $50
Easy to build Balsa and foam
4 channel aileron trainer
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=19&pp=15
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276761
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV

Models Dandy Sport - $45
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandysport.php
Complete Package $155
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/ds1.wmv

GWS E-starter 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=551
Available as a ARF complete package kit with radio - $150
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=611

GWS Tiger Moth 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $70
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=203
Complete kit including Radio - $175
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_inf...roducts_id=658
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=345
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazi...345/TM400m.wmv

Multiplex Magister ARF - $110
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGZV2&P=ML
Multiplex Magister - RTF - $299
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXGZV3&P=ML
This plane is much larger than the others
Close to a .40 glow trainer in size
Review
http://www.smoothair.ca/reviews/Magister/magister.htm
Discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309397
Video - This is not with the standard motor
this plane has an upgraded brushless motor
http://plawner.net/video/magister_funday.wmv

BeginAir - RTF or Receiver ready
RTF - $180 Receiver Ready - $110
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/begin-air.html
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=443
video
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazi...3/BeginAir.wmv

Cesna 182 - 4 Channel RTF - $180
http://www.ewebcart.com/cgi-bin/cart...=1&item_id=144
Includes 72 mhz radio and wall charger.
Sku# 4303 $179.99 4 Channel with 72 Mhz Radio
(Intermediate Level Recommended)
Video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/cessna_long_movie.html
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