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Old 06-12-2006, 01:03 PM
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Hi All,

I have flown glow-plug planes and electric gliders, and I'm currently finishing up a Spirit 100 sailplane. I am interested in buying a park-flyer for practice and to teach my wife to fly. From reading these forums, it seems like the GWS Slow Stick would be suitable for these purposes. I have a Futaba 7UAF transmitter ( http://www.futabarc.com/manuals/7uaf-7uap-manual.pdf ). I'm trying to figure out how to use this with the Slow Stick, but the dizzying array of flight packs available at Tower Hobbies has me completely confused.

If I buy the GWS Slow Stick with:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...4&I=LXKLA3&P=K
(GWS ParkX2/R6NIIX1/ICS480X1/7N1600AAAX1 Flight Pack J/S)
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a receiver crystal

Will that get me in the air? If I have chosen an inappropriate flight pack, can someone recommend an inexpensive one that will work with my transmitter?

Thanks for any suggestions.

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Hi All,

If I buy the GWS Slow Stick with:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...4&I=LXKLA3&P=K
(GWS ParkX2/R6NIIX1/ICS480X1/7N1600AAAX1 Flight Pack J/S)
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a receiver crystal

Will that get me in the air? If I have chosen an inappropriate flight pack, can someone recommend an inexpensive one that will work with my transmitter?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Tom
That will work fine!!!

This will work also, assuming you are using the standard Slow Stick motor
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXKKY1&P=7

This set-up is a little lighter, but the Slow Stick can take the heavier pack as well.


If you are open to a simple kit, I higly recommend the Magpie from Mountian Models. All foam!

Magpie - CL 2
I recommend the $60 package with two wings.
Has slow fly/trainer wing AND an aileron sport wing.
Master the first, then advance to the second.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...d2e76798b84415
They offer a complete package with the slow fly wing and all the electronics for
$130
Makes it so easy to get it right! You can add the sport wing later if you like.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...d2e76798b84415
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...51#post3502851
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv

If you perfer a balsa fuselage, then try the SmoothE


SmoothE - E$50
Easy to build Balsa and foam kit. Build as 3 Channel Slow Flyer
Optional 4 channel aileron wing when you are ready
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php
They offer a package with both wings for $70
Or get the slow fly package with all the electronics for $146
http://www.mountainmodels.com/produc...d2e76798b84415
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...&page=19&pp=15
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225
http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/show...cat=500&page=1
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV


These are outstanding planes from a company with outstaning service. I have one of their planes, the Boomer glider and just purchased the SmoothE with both wings.

MM has great planes. You won't be disappointed.
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Thanks aeajr, I did a lot of reading last night and have educated myself a bit more on the electronics (those fancy new LiPo batteries are intriguing, based on some of the reported flight times.) I had read your previous posts on the Magpie and actually had that model at the top of my list. I chose the slow stick because I thought I might eventually be able to fly it at my house. I live in a neighborhood with 1 acre lots and maybe 12X40' trees/acre. Do you think either of these models would be appropriate to fly at home once I know what I am doing? (my neighbors are all pretty cool, and will tolerate me flying over their back yards if the noise is minimal, and plane/house contact is nil.)

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Magpie with slow flyer wing should be fine in 1 acre once you get good. Basically you will be flying it slowly. Slow stick would be slower but I think the Magpie woud be fine, once you know how to fly it. Then you can put on the sport wing and get good with the ailerons and see how that works in 1 acre.
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So.... you like the Magpie, Ed? LoL!
I like it when you post, you always have so much information! (and FWIW - I agree with your reccomendations)

Both good planes to get into the "e" thing, and both flightpacks above will work great on the slowstick. An acre should be ok once you get used to the plane(fly it somewhere bigger first), and chances are, your nieghbors won't even notice it flying. If they do, offer them a flight.
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Thanks aeajr, I did a lot of reading last night and have educated myself a bit more on the electronics (those fancy new LiPo batteries are intriguing, based on some of the reported flight times.) I had read your previous posts on the Magpie and actually had that model at the top of my list. I chose the slow stick because I thought I might eventually be able to fly it at my house. I live in a neighborhood with 1 acre lots and maybe 12X40' trees/acre. Do you think either of these models would be appropriate to fly at home once I know what I am doing? (my neighbors are all pretty cool, and will tolerate me flying over their back yards if the noise is minimal, and plane/house contact is nil.)

Thanks for your time,
Tom

If you have not read these yet, I think they will help you with your wife's training. She might accept the input from me rather than you. Yes, I am married and I love her, but best to let someone else teach her.

Six Keys to Success
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18

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http://www.*********.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4682

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I wish the guys that taught me to fly had read that material. My indoctrination into RC was a bit more abrupt than these readings recommend :-) Anyway, I'm going to order the slow-stick to start with. Ed, you recommended a flight pack that says it requires a 300 motor. I was planning to order the 400. I figure 400 must be better than 300....right? Actually, I don't know what these numbers refer to :-( I need to do some more reading. If there is a popular opinion on which motor to order, can someone fill me in?

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I wish the guys that taught me to fly had read that material. My indoctrination into RC was a bit more abrupt than these readings recommend :-) Anyway, I'm going to order the slow-stick to start with. Ed, you recommended a flight pack that says it requires a 300 motor. I was planning to order the 400. I figure 400 must be better than 300....right? Actually, I don't know what these numbers refer to :-( I need to do some more reading. If there is a popular opinion on which motor to order, can someone fill me in?

Thanks,
Tom
I don't have a Slow Stick so I will let others recommend. The motor numbers are relative to the power of hte motors. So a 400 is more powerful than a 300. It is also heavier and will need somewhat stronger batteries. That means the pack will be heavier.

The SS can handle either. The 300 will give you a slower plane that can be flown in smaller spaces but be less tollerant of wind. The 400 will give you a bit fast plane that is heavier and will need a bit more room. However it will handle wind better.

Either will work.
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My slow stick left Nevada bound for Gainesville this AM. I ordered battery packs with BEC connectors and a charger with futaba J output. With my glow plane, I charge the battery through the switch that runs between the battery and receiver. I figured the ESC would have a female futaba connect that I could charge the battery packs through, but I don't see one in the picture. Question, do I need a female BEC connect with bananna plugs to charge the batteries or can I charge backwards through the ESC? I'm not much of an electrician, but the latter option is setting off a little red warning light somewhere in the back of my brain. Once again, any help is appreciated.

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Over the weekend, I converted an old PC power supply into a 12V DC power source (250W). I mounted the box under my work bench with on/off switch and terminals mounted through the bench to the surface at the back edge of the bench. Looks like it will be a pretty cool set-up. Also ordered a BEC female w/plugs so I should be set up when my SS arrives tomorrow.

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With my glow plane, I charge the battery through the switch that runs between the battery and receiver. I figured the ESC would have a female futaba connect that I could charge the battery packs through, but I don't see one in the picture. Question, do I need a female BEC connect with bananna plugs to charge the batteries or can I charge backwards through the ESC? I'm not much of an electrician, but the latter option is setting off a little red warning light somewhere in the back of my brain. Once again, any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
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I don't know anyone who charges backwards through the esc and doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Everyone I know takes the battery out of the plane and plugs the battery into a charger.

As far as which motor to use, if you are flying in wind, the heavier 400 (one ounce more) will help. If you are using it to train, you'll not want to fly in any wind though. You'll know why as soon as you get it up.

If I were buying another Slow Stick, I'd go for the 300 version. The 300 is lighter, a little easier on batteries, and runs better on a smaller pack. Once the wife gets better and is not crashing anymore, and you start thinking about lipos, a small motor like this will make a nice upgrade. Not only will you have a bit more power, but for the price, the brushless motor will last a lot longer. These motors can be found for less if you are willing to look around.

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Been flying the slowstick for a month now. Wow! So much fun. Wish this had been available in 1992, when I first tried to learn how to fly. Great for teaching the whole orientation thing without spending hours repairing after every lesson.

Daughter loves bringing me sticks and rocks to strap under the wing-bands and "give a ride". She is 2, and mentions airplanes 5 or more times a day!!!

I've been spending my evenings working on my old glow trainer and sailplane. Whole new sense of relaxation because I don't have that feeling of, "If I don't get this fixed by the weekend, I will not have anything to fly!!" Things are going slower, but it is more fun because it feels less like work.

I was born for this hobby, and I knew it from age 9 (first time I saw that stupid gray hovercraft at Toys R Us - Oakland Michigan, 1978.) Tried to get started three times, but was overcome by frustration when I the crash/repair thing entered its 5th cycle. If any RC newbies google this post.......Get an easy, foam electric........have fun with it for a few months while you figure out what kind of flying you want to do. Above all....be thankful that you have the internet! (I had a set of Bertanicas when I was growing up...............Cool, I just coined the "5 miles up-hill" clich'e for Generation X :-)

Bahh... too many Miller Lights....I'm babbleing.

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