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Old 04-15-2007, 05:25 PM
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I have a small yard 1/2 acre and would like a small electric trainer to learn with in this small area.Can anyone tell me where a small trainer can be found. Maybe smaller than 30" wingspan.Thanks Ron
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:40 PM
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Hi Ron,

I think your yard is too small to learn in. Maybe some of the aeroace toys etc, but even they probably need more space than that.

Once you had learned you might be able to fly something like a slow stick or GWS Pico Moth in the space, although none of them will fly well in the wind.

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Old 04-15-2007, 10:59 PM
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Ron -

In my opinion ...

When learning to fly, especially on your own, the most important single factor (along with a proper plane, of course) is having plenty of open space. While learning, you want to be able to fly in a straight line for some distance before you must make your first turn. This gives you an opportunity to trim the plane and get a feel for the controls without worrying about running into any obstacles. Later, you will be able to fly in a smaller area.

I had trouble teaching myself to fly until I found a big wide open field. Immediately, everything became much, much easier. After some experience, I went back to those earlier, smaller locations and had no trouble.

It's worth the effort to find a good field for learning, even if you later fly in your own back yard.

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Old 04-16-2007, 10:45 PM
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Well, I agree that a 1/2 acre yard is a tight squeeze especailly for a rookie. I have a stock GWS slow stick with a very light LiPo pack and I can fly it in a 1/2 acre rectangle but I'm mostly turning all the time to stay away from neighbors trees on one side and a power pole on the other. I do have an aero ace that I will let ANYBODY at all fly at will. 1/2 acre field is tight...

Oh, and a super light Slo-stik is helpless in any breeze at all as mentioned earlier.

How about an RC heli instead, they're a lot of fun
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If you want to learn close to home and don't have a huge field, then you
want a slow flyer that will work in your space. With these you can train in
the space of a little league baseball field, a football field or similar space.
Once you get good you can fly in just the baseball infield or 1/3 of the
football field, in front of your house, or even indoors.

I always suggest that new flyers start in very calm conditions regardless of
what plane they get. This way they can focus on the plane and not fighting
the wind. If you can do this and be strong about avoiding anything above
about 3 mph, then you can train close to home.

Once you have 10-15 solid flights in a row, with safe landings, then you can
move up the wind scale a little at a time as you gain confidence. This
could be accomplished in a few 2 hour sessions. Or it could be done in a
single 4-6 hour day if you have 3-4 batteries and have a charger or two you
can use at the field. Of course, this assumes you don't smack up the plane.

Some of these will tollerate 5 mph and some up to about 8.

Slow-V RTF from Parkzone - $140 - Space
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze. This is good for people want an
RTF and who only have a small space to fly or who have an indoor place to
fly, such as a gym or similar space. The Slo-V can take the X-port combat
module and the bomb/parachute. tons of fun in a small space.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo...240x180_nb.wmv

T-IFO - $75 including Motor
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/tifo.html
Complete package with radio - $275
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/ordertifo.html#
Review
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4117

Slow stick - $35 -
Can also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space.
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=2[/url
]
or
Slow stick Complete Package incl radio - $150
(need battery charger)
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=602[/url
]
The Slow Stick Info Site
http://mattsrc.rchomepage.com/ssir/index.shtml
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273180
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=GWS1040
http://www.skrogg.com/sun.wmv
Souped up Slow sticks go verticle
http://skrogg.com/wed.wmv

Tiger Moth - $50
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=GWS1020

Review
http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/articles/tiger_moth.asp

If you have the money I would recommend a comptuer radio like the Spektrum
DX6 or the Futaba 6EXAS as entry level comptuer radios.

GWS 12V Peak Charger - can charger from a car cig lighter -
There are cheaper chargers, but this one looks good for this plane and
future - $49
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdId=GWS3000

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Radios

Starter Radios

I have a very specific position on radios. Don't buy a Standard Radio!!!

Computer radios are now so inexpensive and offer so much more than standard
radios that it doesn't make sense to get anything but a computer radio. Don't
get me wrong, there are many good standard radios, but for only a few bucks
more you get a much more capable computer radio that can do more for you than
any standard radio and can save you money by time you get the second plane.
They can also make it easier to fly your plane, perform aerobatics and more.

Below are five radios. All will fly your typical parkflyer. All but the DX6
can also be purchased with larger servos suitable for larger planes and
gliders. Two are standard radios, for the uncommitted or low budget first
time flyer. These will get your plane off the ground with very basic radio
features for a low price. Each package I list include radio, micro servos,
micro receiver.

STANDARD RADIOS

Hitec Neon 3 - 3 channel standard radio $59
2 micro servos, micro receiver, switch, etc
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXLGF4**&P=7
For $19 you can add a trainer port to this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXDEK8&P=V

This package is such good value for that first 3 channel ARF or kit, if you
can't afford a computer radio. ( more on that later ) If you bought the two
servos and the receiver by themselves, that would come to about $60. So
this is about as cheap as you can get into a hobby grade radio that will fly a
three channel R/E/T or A/E/T parkflyer or 3 channel
glider ARF or kit plane. It also does not include rechargeable batteries
which the others do. You run this one on standard AA batteries.

It includes mixing for flying wings or V-tail 3 channel planes as well as
servo reversing. It does not have ATV/EPA or dual rates, however these can
be added later at extra cost. . You can also add a trainer port for
use with an instructor or to connect to a flight simulator. You can add a
4th channel but it is limited so don't think of this as a 4 channel radio. It
can't fly a 4 channel plane.


Hitec Laser 4 - 4 Channel Standard Radio $100
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...=LXLGF5**&P=ML
My minimum recommended 4 channel standard radio for A/E/R/Throttle
parkflyer,
glow plane or 4 channel glider. Radio, micro receiver, 2 micro servos,
Switch harness, etc. It will fly a 4 channel aileron plane. Includes V-tail
and Elevon mixing, servo reversing, ATV on ch 1&2 . Also has a trainer port
that can be used with fight simulators or a buddy box.

While the Laser is a good radio, pick the Laser 4 only if you are unsure you
will continue in the hobby and want to spend as little as possible to get a 4
channel plane into the air. Not my recommendation for a committed flyer
who plans to continue in the hobby.


COMPUTER RADIOS - Much Better Choice

In short, computer radios give you things like model memories, exponential,
a
variety of surface mixes and more; features not found on standard radios.
Your computer radio can store the profile for many planes and reset itself
for
each plane by just selecting the model. Standard radios don't have model
memories or a lot of the other features that computer radios offer. With a
computer radio, you only need one radio to fly a bunch of planes, rather
than
dedicating a radio to each plane, or resetting the radio each time you
change
planes. Computer radios are great! In the end, they are cheaper. more
convenient AND can make it easier for a new flyer to learn to fly.

These are all 6 channel radios so they will let you fly more advanced planes
then either of the radios above.

Spektrum DX 6 - $199 - For the committed Parkflyer pilot
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=SPM2460
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=623
If your plans are to fly small to medium sized electrics, often called
parkflyers, hand launched gliders with wing spans under 60 inches, this
might
be your best choice. The DX6 is suitable for flying within 2000 feet
out. That is about 5-7 football fields away. This is more then enough for
these plane and further than most people will fly them.

It has a nice mix of features, 10 model memories and is backed by Horizon
Hobby, so you can be confident of good service. You will never worry about
channel conflict again. This promises to be the RC technology of the
future.

Digital DSMT Spread Spectrum Modulation
10 model memories, dual rates, exponential, 6 channels, 8 standard mixes and
three programmable mixes. No crystals needed and no channel conflict
control
needed

DX6 Flight experience thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...7&page=2&pp=15
More information on DX6 - Spektrum
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html
AMA on 2.4 GHz SS
http://www.modelaircraft.org/spreadspec.asp


Futaba 6 EXAS - Entry Level 6 Channel Computer Radio - $150
micro receiver, 3 micro servos, Switch-
Receiver in this package is not appropriate for sailplanes or glow planes.
OK for parkflyers/low speed electrics.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...=LXJUV7**&P=ML

The Futaba 6EXAS is an entry level computer radio for the committed flyer
who
also plans to fly glow planes, thermal duration gliders or electrics over
60" wing
span. Six channels, 6 model memories, a good mix of features and
convenience
that will carry you a long way. The link is to a package that is good for
parkflyers, but there are other packages if you need larger/stronger
components for larger planes. For about $30 more than the Laser 4 radio you
are miles ahead in capability!

Airtronics VG 6000 - $165
http://www.airtronics.net/VG6000.htm
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXEUY5**&P=7
This particular package is very attractive for small electrics. Comes with
two
small servos AND a 20 amp ESC. 6 channels, 4 model memories, a good mix of
features to carry you forward. The VG 6000 is also available with larger
components so it can also fly glow planes, and TD gliders that need greater
range than the DX6 offers.

There are lots of other good choices in computer radios that have more
channels, more features and a higher price. however these would be
excellent
choices for the first time radio buyer or someone stepping up from RTFs who
knows they will continue in the hobby.

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great info.Thanks
looking at this new small plane
http://www.parkzone.com/Products/Def...ProdID=PKZ3000
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I can fly quite well in all places, I still prefer larger areas since having to turn every 2 seconds to keep it in the flying area just drives me nuts and it takes alot of the fun out of it. I'd suggest getting a heli if you are wanting to stay in a confined area, they don't require that much space to have alot of fun with.
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WILDRC.COM T IFO

GREAT TRAINER AND I FLY MINE IN LESS THAN HALF AN ACRE AND ITS A BLAST!!

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GWS Pico Tiger Moth is great for small areas.

http://www.bmkdesigns.net/Pico-Tiger-Moth-pr-74.html
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I'm a fairly experienced pilot and i just purchased a firebird phantom form horizon and the thing is great. Small wingspan and weight makes it great for small spaces (id recommend at least half a soccer field) plus its got enough power to do your basic lops and rolls once your ready. The best part is the price i got mine for only 60 bucks RTF at the Local Hobby Shop flight times run around ten minutes and new batteries run at 10 dollars. Other than that get an aero ace they'll fly anywhere i have 3 different variants of it: the monowing glider, the jet, and the bipe. Bipe is easiest to fly but i feel the glider has a better balance of performance and ease of flight. Well thats my two cents.


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Old 05-05-2007, 11:08 AM
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Thanks I always fly the Aero Aces and bought the Firebird Phantom.The Phantom seems like it tooo fast for me so I'm looking at a Slo-V. Ron
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