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Old 07-20-2008, 04:01 PM
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
You got a bent feathering shaft for sure....I know that. The motor problem...I've found very poor soldering on the connectors on E-Sky motors, and they use steel wire. Strip the shrink tube off your connectors (motor side) and see if you got bad solder....that's what it sounds like...broken wires on the connectors.
Old 07-20-2008, 04:17 PM
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Well, I'm very good with soldering and circuit boards, with the symptoms it doesn't really sound like a bad solder joint to me, but I'll get out my VOHM and check it to make sure.
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
You got a bent feathering shaft for sure....I know that. The motor problem...I've found very poor soldering on the connectors on E-Sky motors, and they use steel wire. Strip the shrink tube off your connectors (motor side) and see if you got bad solder....that's what it sounds like...broken wires on the connectors.
I bought the esky 3800 about 6 or 7 months ago.I ran it a couple of times and didn't like it,so I pulled it out and installed a alpha 400.Great little motor for the king,and if memory serves,it's cheaper then the esky.Since the 3800 is sitting in my parts box,I believe I will pull it apart and check the connections,and resolder if needed.When I had it in,it just didn't seem like it was spooling up all the way.The alpha on the other hand,(using the same esc)has been flawless.Smoother,and mucho quieter too.Very nice cheapo motor.Vic,I looked up the HDX450's.I like,and I will buy a couple for my 450's.320 plus watts for not much,yeah,,,,that works fer me.
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A Phoenix 25 will handle anything you want to do with the King. As long as your head speed is reasonable for what you're doing (higher for aero, lower if you like for hovering and FF), then you won't go over 25-28A, and only near there in hard aerobatics. Your normal power draw will be between 10 and 14A depending on flying weight and head speed.

A 35A is definitely overkill- just more weight to drag around.

[edit] FYI, here's a flight log with the woodies and a JGF 400DH at low and high head speeds. Hovering with a little bit of flopping around/high collective. You can get the power requirements pretty low with lower head speeds, as you can see, but you don't want to try aggressive flying that way. [/edit]
Thanks for the fast response. I forgot to mention that I run the extended boom and 315mm-325mm blades. Just making sure that it will still handle the load. I am not much of an electronics guy...I need to work on that!

Pic of my configuration at the present moment....

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Z

Hey Z...that's an awsome looking bird. Are you running Align 8g flybar paddles? I love them on my 400.
I am running the Align 8g's...I believe some old fart named Vic told me to try them like 4 months ago when I started with my King2. Have not used anything else but stock and these. I agree whole-heartedly that these work nicer than stock. Dunno about other brands or types though...

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PS....Thanks guys, I am off to the LHS to buy some parts and meet up with Mr. Funflier. Having a brainstorming, idea swapping session! LOL.. Ya'll are invited..Hehehe... Califorina Hobbies in San Jose.
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I have the same issue, I run the 3900 Esky motor and ESC combo. I have allways had that problem. I think it's just an issue with the ESC. bad timing or something. I don't know. but I have never worried about it.
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
You got a bent feathering shaft for sure....I know that. The motor problem...I've found very poor soldering on the connectors on E-Sky motors, and they use steel wire. Strip the shrink tube off your connectors (motor side) and see if you got bad solder....that's what it sounds like...broken wires on the connectors.
I bought the esky 3800 about 6 or 7 months ago.I ran it a couple of times and didn't like it,so I pulled it out and installed a alpha 400.Great little motor for the king,and if memory serves,it's cheaper then the esky.Since the 3800 is sitting in my parts box,I believe I will pull it apart and check the connections,and resolder if needed.When I had it in,it just didn't seem like it was spooling up all the way.The alpha on the other hand,(using the same esc)has been flawless.Smoother,and mucho quieter too.Very nice cheapo motor.Vic,I looked up the HDX450's.I like,and I will buy a couple for my 450's.320 plus watts for not much,yeah,,,,that works fer me.
-lohchief
Chief...I had the 3200kv...it was fine till "I" runied it. I bought a 3500kv to replace it for the MX-400. I bought the 3800kv for the EXI-450 (and another ranger fuselage...LMAO). For the money....you cant beat the quality and reliability of the HDX motors. I heard the Alpha's were a POS. I had one here on a repair job, the mount screw holes (all 4) were stripped right out...metal is too soft...yup, POS.
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Well, I'm very good with soldering and circuit boards, with the symptoms it doesn't really sound like a bad solder joint to me, but I'll get out my VOHM and check it to make sure.
You wont need a meter....if they're bad, you'll see the broken strands. The steel wire breaks with vibration of normal use. I'm running an E-Sky 3100kv on my GWS Corsair. Every so often, I have to re-solder. The good part is, if I have a bad connection on the motor....the Pheonix 25 will tell me by the volume of the bootup signal. If it's weak/low sound...I got broken wires. If it's strong and loud....all is good. Yeah...my Corsair is WAY over powered but it will fly like a rocket vertical (LOL). Been waiting for it to EXPLODE under the pressure.
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
You got a bent feathering shaft for sure....I know that. The motor problem...I've found very poor soldering on the connectors on E-Sky motors, and they use steel wire. Strip the shrink tube off your connectors (motor side) and see if you got bad solder....that's what it sounds like...broken wires on the connectors.
I bought the esky 3800 about 6 or 7 months ago.I ran it a couple of times and didn't like it,so I pulled it out and installed a alpha 400.Great little motor for the king,and if memory serves,it's cheaper then the esky.Since the 3800 is sitting in my parts box,I believe I will pull it apart and check the connections,and resolder if needed.When I had it in,it just didn't seem like it was spooling up all the way.The alpha on the other hand,(using the same esc)has been flawless.Smoother,and mucho quieter too.Very nice cheapo motor.Vic,I looked up the HDX450's.I like,and I will buy a couple for my 450's.320 plus watts for not much,yeah,,,,that works fer me.
-lohchief
Chief...I had the 3200kv...it was fine till "I" runied it. I bought a 3500kv to replace it for the MX-400. I bought the 3800kv for the EXI-450 (and another ranger fuselage...LMAO). For the money....you cant beat the quality and reliability of the HDX motors. I heard the Alpha's were a POS. I had one here on a repair job, the mount screw holes (all 4) were stripped right out...metal is too soft...yup, POS.
Yeah,the motor mount is kinda soft,but the damn thing runs just great in the king,tons of power too.Did you get your exi 450 yet? I'll be ordering another one maybe this week,along with some other parts etc.I'm also gonna get the heliartist H500d fuse(unpainted),and maybe a 58 fuse too.As much as I didn't like the real ones,the 58 sure makes a fine scaler
-lohchief
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
Hey,
I read your post and checked my setup. HAVE THE SAME problem(free load without pinion on the shaft) also motor starts vibrating a bit at that dead area. all things are stock, just 3800+esky esc. I checked with 3100 (again free load) no problem at all.
Please let me know if you figure it out
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While we're talking electronics put almost 2 batteries through my King 2 today, seems to be easier to hover than my Falcon 40! but alas, near the end of the second battery it found the ground at a less than optimal angle, shredded the stock blades. Upon doing damage assesment at the bench I noticed a very slight wobble at low RPM, seems to go away the higher the RPM, bent main shaft I'm assuming? Also, if I slowly increase throttle after 3 clicks or so RPM will not increase until I get over half throttle, then it jumps up to where it should be and works correctly to full throttle, if I reduce power to almost off and increase again it increases RPM as it should in relation to stick position, but if I shut throttle down, and start it again I get the "dead" area again, seems to be betwen 1/4 and 1/2 throttle (Esky brushless motor and ESC), did I kill the ESC?
You got a bent feathering shaft for sure....I know that. The motor problem...I've found very poor soldering on the connectors on E-Sky motors, and they use steel wire. Strip the shrink tube off your connectors (motor side) and see if you got bad solder....that's what it sounds like...broken wires on the connectors.
I bought the esky 3800 about 6 or 7 months ago.I ran it a couple of times and didn't like it,so I pulled it out and installed a alpha 400.Great little motor for the king,and if memory serves,it's cheaper then the esky.Since the 3800 is sitting in my parts box,I believe I will pull it apart and check the connections,and resolder if needed.When I had it in,it just didn't seem like it was spooling up all the way.The alpha on the other hand,(using the same esc)has been flawless.Smoother,and mucho quieter too.Very nice cheapo motor.Vic,I looked up the HDX450's.I like,and I will buy a couple for my 450's.320 plus watts for not much,yeah,,,,that works fer me.
-lohchief
Chief...I had the 3200kv...it was fine till "I" runied it. I bought a 3500kv to replace it for the MX-400. I bought the 3800kv for the EXI-450 (and another ranger fuselage...LMAO). For the money....you cant beat the quality and reliability of the HDX motors. I heard the Alpha's were a POS. I had one here on a repair job, the mount screw holes (all 4) were stripped right out...metal is too soft...yup, POS.
Yeah,the motor mount is kinda soft,but the damn thing runs just great in the king,tons of power too.Did you get your exi 450 yet? I'll be ordering another one maybe this week,along with some other parts etc.I'm also gonna get the heliartist H500d fuse(unpainted),and maybe a 58 fuse too.As much as I didn't like the real ones,the 58 sure makes a fine scaler
-lohchief
I expect the EXI 450, telebee gyro, motor (hdx 3800kv), esc, fuse, servos, and the DX7 this week. I did buy two AR6100E's, one for each heli (love that DX7). The 58 makes an EXCELLENT scaler. It's light and easy to mount. Barely notice there's a scale fuse on it. The 58 is the apimity of KISS (keep it simple stupid). The more simple, the less that breaks, the easier to fix if it does break. As for now with a heli down for parts, I'm flying the pi$$ out of the GWS Corsair (LOL).
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now you guys know why I stopped stocking esky brushless motors a long time ago. I have found at least 3 motors that are better for the same price and two that are the exact same thing for $10 bucks less just under a different name, lol. I recently tested the tonic-x motors on the king, the dragonus, and the shark and all three I tested performed flawlessly. I swapped each motor from bird to bird and it seemed to make little difference on these motors as far as load was concerned. Temps stayed low and flight times were pretty decent, I would say for the price they are decent little motors. I am also a very big fan of the danlion for the king, once again for the money they are really hard to beat. I think though that more attention should be paid to the esc than the motor, it has been my experience that you can get away with a crappy motor/good esc but you cannot get away with good motor/crappy esc. For the money I personally do not think you can beat the hobbywing 30a w/ ubec, the waypoint 25a or the danlion 33a, they have consistently given excellent performance and reliability and none of them run $40 bucks so you do not have to spend a fortune to get good reliable equipment.
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Opps typo there: NOOO 20 22 tooth pinion ment a 10-11 tooth.
yes you can usually install the 11 tooth and thats what most end out with in the 3800. The 3900 I found actually lost a little headspeed with the 12 tooth and the 11 was still a tad too high only because the 3900 lacks the torque of the 3800 at full half stick to full stick. (RPM actually dropped off a a few hundred rpm according to my tach).
so you may want to stick with the 3800 and 11 tooth and do little to mod the frame (if anything). Don't know if I mentioned it but those frames due crack right behind the motor (hard landings) so you might think about the frame stiffener from Xtream for about 11$ which also acts as a heat sink and motor mount reinforcement.
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Thanks Betapilot, I'm leaning toward the ESC as well, I believe I'll take your advise and swap the motor/ESC, now I just have to start learning the motor differences, 3200, 3500, my brain still hurts from trying to learn how to fly! Will I get comparable runtimes with the Danlion combo you have on Castlerock?
Old 07-21-2008, 07:33 AM
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David, check this out http://dhrc.rchomepage.com/calc.htm it helped me understand how kv rating, pinion tooth count, main gear tooth count and battery mah's affect head speed and run time.
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Opps typo there: NOOO 20 22 tooth pinion ment a 10-11 tooth.
yes you can usually install the 11 tooth and thats what most end out with in the 3800. The 3900 I found actually lost a little headspeed with the 12 tooth and the 11 was still a tad too high only because the 3900 lacks the torque of the 3800 at full half stick to full stick. (RPM actually dropped off a a few hundred rpm according to my tach).
so you may want to stick with the 3800 and 11 tooth and do little to mod the frame (if anything). Don't know if I mentioned it but those frames due crack right behind the motor (hard landings) so you might think about the frame stiffener from Xtream for about 11$ which also acts as a heat sink and motor mount reinforcement.
Thanks funflier,

I didnt buy the pinion yet but my choice would be exactly 11T. I should install it on the shaft then see what modification required.

In case of stiffener I googled the xtream production but found nothing then it said did you mean xterme production? just went there and found the stiffener(if you mean somthing else please reply me). Its realy nice and Im going to find it in some LHS in my area

Sorry for misunderstanding your post
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yep thats it, darn spelling fingers.
Picture of one here:
http://www.ushobbysupply.com/index.p...c861fb6052e171
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Thanks buddy
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Hey,
I read your post and checked my setup. HAVE THE SAME problem(free load without pinion on the shaft) also motor starts vibrating a bit at that dead area. all things are stock, just 3800+esky esc. I checked with 3100 (again free load) no problem at all.
Please let me know if you figure it out
I'm going to swap out my esky motor and ESC in 2 weeks, I'll swap the ESC first and see if that solves the throttle problem before I install the new motor.
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Honestly, if you are going to change one component you might as just replace both after your diagnosis and reap the full benefits of each component, save that esky motor for an emergency if it still works.
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Honestly, if you are going to change one component you might as just replace both after your diagnosis and reap the full benefits of each component, save that esky motor for an emergency if it still works.
I agree 100%, I'm just doing it one part at a time so I know which component is causing the throttle problem, even though getting rid of the esky motor and ESC will likely take care of the issue, I'm one of those that likes to know what was causing the problem to begin with, so if it comes up later on the forum I'll have an answer
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I'm having some sudden RPM problems myself. I have mine flying on my Futaba 7CHP with my own curves. Lately it's been firing up on higher RPMs in normal mode but after 30 seconds it slows down. On Sunday the RPMs were variable and heated up my ESC and motor. I "wiggled" the motor wires, ( it the Extreme Pro 4000kv), and it cleared up for now. I changed out my Castle 25 Phoenix for a 40amp E-Flite, ( both are .8 ounces so no weight difference) and I've used all different batts with the same result. Only thing I can think is that the motor is going bad.

Any thoughts?

God Bless Y'all,

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Although this is about a Esky ESC I have had other ESC (Hobbywing)and tried to run them on the incorrect timing and if you step down on the timing say run a 8 pole motor on a lower pole timing it will get the ESC HOT HOT HOT and at the same time shake and have large loss of power. When I went the other way and ran the 8 pole on a 12 pole setting the motor got hot and also ran rough (never tried to fly it as the motor was smoking in about 1 min at full power on a bench)
I don't think the Esky has a timing setting other they what its set at when made.
Just for what its worth....
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Do you guys know if I can use the new Spektrum receiver from Esky with the DX6i? I'm thinking about getting a HBKII and that receiver looks like it might work with the DX6i, but unsure of it.

Thanks in advance.

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Do you guys know if I can use the new Spektrum receiver from Esky with the DX6i? I'm thinking about getting a HBKII and that receiver looks like it might work with the DX6i, but unsure of it.

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Here's a link that answers your question.Scroll down to the bottom of the article,it's in bold letters.

http://modelairplanenews.com/ME2/dir...AD5E1AE6F3BF69

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Hey,
I read your post and checked my setup. HAVE THE SAME problem(free load without pinion on the shaft) also motor starts vibrating a bit at that dead area. all things are stock, just 3800+esky esc. I checked with 3100 (again free load) no problem at all.
Please let me know if you figure it out
I'm going to swap out my esky motor and ESC in 2 weeks, I'll swap the ESC first and see if that solves the throttle problem before I install the new motor.
Whatever it is im going to fly it. It realy sucked my pocket.


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