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DirtyBrad 02-29-2008 06:52 PM

DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Can I get this started? I have a DX6i on the way for an HBK2. I'm an RC newbie, so would love some setup tips, tweaks, pitfalls, etc. These seem to be popular radios, so I'm guessing there's some great information out there. Thanks!

gnd2 02-29-2008 08:31 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Most of the common programmable heli radios out today are very similar in functionality. Watch the finless videos on helifreak (might be able to find them on youtube also) for setting up the trex. It'll be slightly different but all the same basic principles apply and will be very helpful. The rest you should be able to figure out from the radio manual.

crimsonrain22 02-29-2008 09:44 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
DX7 SETUP FOR BELT HELI

* Before setting up, bind your receiver to the transmitter. This is done by plugging the bind plug into the BATT socket in the receiver. Then plug the battery to the esc and/or bec. Then press the transmitter bind button at the back as you turn on the transmitter. Wait for the flashing receiver lights stabilize. When it has bound, the esc will arm. You can release the bind button. Turn off the transmitter and unplug the heli’s battery. Remove the bind plug from the receiver.

I. System Setup Mode

1. Enter the System Setup Menu by pressing Scroll Down and Select keys while turning on the transmitter.

2. Press UP or Down keys to navigate.

3. Go to [TYPE SELECT] and choose HELI for your model.

4. Go to [MODEL SELECT] and assign a model number for your heli. Use the Increase or Decrease keys to toggle between choices.

5. Go to [MODEL NAME] to assign a custom name. Use Increase or Decrease to select letter. Press Select key to move to next letter.

6. Then press the Down key to go to [SWASH TYPE] menu. Use Increase or Decrease key to toggle to 3 SERVOS 120º.

7. Next go to [INPUT SELECT] menu by toggling UP or Down keys. It should be
AUX2>AUX2 and GEAR>GEAR.

II. Function Mode

1. Enter the Function Mode menus by pressing Down and Select keys after turning on the transmitter.

2. Use the UP or Down keys to toggle between menus.

3. Go to [REVERSING SW] menu to set your servo reversing switches.

Ch1 : Throttle (esc)
CH2: Aileron (left cyclic servo)
CH3: Elevator (front or rear single cyclic servo)
CH4: Rudder (gyro)
CH5: Gear (gyro remote gain cable)
CH6: Aux1 (right cyclic servo)

*Note that this is for individual servo reversing. For collective cyclic reversing, go to [SWASH MIX] menu.

4. Go to [SWASH MIX] Menu. Use Select button to toggle between functions.

5. Initially set AILE, ELEV at 100%. – or + values changes the servo directions. Set PIT value so that you get maximum + and - pitch without bottoming mechanically or have the servos buzzing. Again – or + values reverses the collective direction.

6. Leave EXP in INH.

7. Go to [TRAVEL ADJUST]. Use Select key to toggle between functions.

8. For THRO, set High (H) value just high enough so you get a max motor output (ESC led flashes) at max stick input. At times, this can be less than 100%. Set Low (L) value just low enough that the esc arms. At times, this is less than 100%. This provides best throttle resolution.

9. AILE, ELEV, and PIT. adjusts the cyclic servo maximum throw. Always adjust all three pairs of H and L in identical values. Values for AILE, ELEV, and PIT. must also be identical. This ensures no unneeded output interaction when controlling the cyclic action. You can adjust these to give you more or less cyclic angles. Max these out without having the servos buzzing. Recheck these settings after centering the servo arms at mid stick using the [SUB TRIM] menu.

10. Adjusting the RUDD endpoints, controls the piro rate not the servo throw. Remember that the servo receives a command signal rather than a proportional
signal. Adjust L and R piro rates so that you get the same piro rate turning left or right. IT is normal to exceed 100% for both values.

11. GEAR is used to adjust gyro gain. + value is hh mode. – value is rate mode. Set these initally at +72% and -28%. Readjust after a test hover.

12. AUX2 is unused for now. The channel is unavailable in the AR6100. The switch, however can be assigned to a function like throttle hold. This frees up the use of the Rudder D/R switch for other functions like dual piro rates.

13. Go to [SUB TRIM] menu.

14. Adjust AILE subtrim to center the left cyclic servo in mid throttle stick.

15. Adjust ELEV subtrim to center the front or rear single cyclic servo at mid stick.

16. Adjust PIT. Subtrim to center the right cyclic servo.

17. Adjust the RUDD subtrim if servo arm drifts in hh mode during tests.

18. Leave [AUTO D/R EXP] in default settings for now.

19. Go to [D/R & EXP] menu. Use Select keys to toggle between functions. Use Increase or decrease to change channel and change values.

20. Expos if used changes command sensitivity. + values makes command less sensitive. Lower value down to a negative value increases sensitivity. More sensitivity makes the heli twitchy. Full stick, however always yields the maximum programmed servo throw.

21. AILE and ELEV expos affect the cyclic. RUDD affects the piro or turn rate.

22. D/R adjusts the maximum servo arm travel of the affected functions. Reducing AILE and ELEV rates for example reduces the maximum swash plate angles. These can be toggled in flight using the marked D/R switches. Leave these at 100% for now for both on and off switch positions of the various D/R switches.

23. Note that you have two switch positions for both expo and dual rates. Toggle the
actual physical switches when setting values for each switch position. It will be indicated in POS-1 or POS-0.

24.Go to [PITCH CURVE] HOLD. Use Select key to move between throttle positions. Use Increase or Decrease keys to change values. This menu sets the main blade pitch range when the Throttle hold switch is turned on. This gives you maximum positive and negative pitch. This is useful for setting blade pitch using a pitch gauge. Mid stick is zero degrees.

25. Note that 0 to 50% gives you negative pitch. 50% to 100% gives you positive pitch. 0% is maximum negative pitch. For most helis this is -10 deg.

26. In HOLD position, set pitch range as 0-INH-50%-INH-100%.

27. Go to [PITCH CURVE] ST-2. This is for 3D. Set this for maximum head speed and fast collective response for flipping, tic tocs, etc. The S-curve is ideal for this.

28. Set ST-2 at 0-15%-50%-85%-100%. This is an S-curve. Pitch rapidly changes around the mid stick for fast vertical transitions.

29. Go to [PITCH CURVE] ST-1. Let’s keep this linear. Set it at 0-INH-50%-INH-100%. This give a smooth and predictable collective response. This is good for sport flying and mild aerobatics.

30. Go to [PITCH CURVE] NORM. Let’s dial out negative pitch or at least most of it for proper spool up. You can put a few degrees of negative pitch if desired. I prefer zero on spool up. Set this at 50%-50%-50%-INH-100%. This gives zero degrees pitch up until mid stick. Then pitch increase above it.

31. Go to [THRO CURVE] ST-2. You can keep this flat for max head speed. Or use a conservative v-curve for moderate speed. I use 100%-INH-80-INH-100%.

32. Go to [THRO CURVE] ST-1. Set this so that you get a comfortable hovering speed. I set this at 100%-INH-60-INH-100%.

33. Go to [THRO CURVE] NORM. Keep this linear unless you have an unusual motor response. Set this at 0-INH-50%-INH-100%.

34. Go to [THRO HOLD]. Use Select key to toggle between throttle hold value and desired activating switch. Set throttle value at -5.%. It is a negative value to ensure that the throttle is zero in case the esc setting drifts. Choose your desired switch. I selected SW: RUDD D/R simply because I am used to that position. You can use AUX2 if you wish to use the RUDD D/R for dual piro rate control.

35. After all settings are final, bind your receiver to the transmitter once more while keeping the transmitter sticks in your desired failsafe settings. This does away with the cyclic servos being crooked and buzzing while the receiver arms.

36. Fine tune after your test flight.

37. Go fly your heli! Congratulations.

DirtyBrad 02-29-2008 10:08 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
That's awesome, thank you. I'm even more excited to get my Tx!

I have one question. For the Esky HH gyro, what position do I set the manual screw on the gyro to before setting the Tx?

eatmydust 03-01-2008 01:47 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Kudos to crimsonrain22 for post #3. I'm just getting up the nerve to install my Spektrum receivers in my King and BCP. This post might nudge me a little closer to having no more interference worries. Thanks!

crimsonrain22 03-01-2008 04:04 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Its not as hard as you think once you get the hang of it. The Jerome video that goes with the Finless on one dx7 setup helped me alot. I cant take credit for the setup it was copy and paist on my end just something I found that helped me along. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. I have both my king 2 and my trex 450 on the spectrum. I use pretty much the same settings on both of them.

eatmydust 03-01-2008 05:26 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Ok great. I'll prolly get back to you. Been hovering in the garage today, no time for upgrades lol!

Magic Hook 03-03-2008 07:26 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Thanks, thats much better than the directions!

Magic Hook 03-23-2008 10:56 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
My DX7 came with the 6100 receiver, the instructions are for the 7000. Everything was working fine. Today I made a few program changes and then turned off the transmitter, then held the bind button and switched it back on. NOW no response on the controls. Any help would be very appreciated.

Thanks

gene465 03-23-2008 11:55 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Make sure the bind plug is in the battery socket on the receiver should bind with no problems.
Dirty Brad, Crimson's directions are dead on, only thing I did was put my pitch curve to start at 40% as I don't need that much negative pitch at them moment. I don't need to throttle down and drive my helo into the ground! lol did that with my Blade CP Pro once and broke my stock skids!

brac1960 03-23-2008 01:35 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: crimsonrain22

DX7 SETUP FOR BELT HELI

* Before setting up, bind your receiver to the transmitter. This is done by plugging the bind plug into the BATT socket in the receiver. Then plug the battery to the esc and/or bec. Then press the transmitter bind button at the back as you turn on the transmitter. Wait for the flashing receiver lights stabilize. When it has bound, the esc will arm. You can release the bind button. Turn off the transmitter and unplug the heli’s battery. Remove the bind plug from the receiver.

I. System Setup Mode

1. Enter the System Setup Menu by pressing Scroll Down and Select keys while turning on the transmitter.

2. Press UP or Down keys to navigate.

3. Go to [TYPE SELECT] and choose HELI for your model.

4. Go to [MODEL SELECT] and assign a model number for your heli. Use the Increase or Decrease keys to toggle between choices.

5. Go to [MODEL NAME] to assign a custom name. Use Increase or Decrease to select letter. Press Select key to move to next letter.

6. Then press the Down key to go to [SWASH TYPE] menu. Use Increase or Decrease key to toggle to 3 SERVOS 120º.

7. Next go to [INPUT SELECT] menu by toggling UP or Down keys. It should be
AUX2>AUX2 and GEAR>GEAR.

II. Function Mode

1. Enter the Function Mode menus by pressing Down and Select keys after turning on the transmitter.

2. Use the UP or Down keys to toggle between menus.

3. Go to [REVERSING SW] menu to set your servo reversing switches.

Ch1 : Throttle (esc)
CH2: Aileron (left cyclic servo)
CH3: Elevator (front or rear single cyclic servo)
CH4: Rudder (gyro)
CH5: Gear (gyro remote gain cable)
CH6: Aux1 (right cyclic servo)

*Note that this is for individual servo reversing. For collective cyclic reversing, go to [SWASH MIX] menu.

4. Go to [SWASH MIX] Menu. Use Select button to toggle between functions.

5. Initially set AILE, ELEV at 100%. – or + values changes the servo directions. Set PIT value so that you get maximum + and - pitch without bottoming mechanically or have the servos buzzing. Again – or + values reverses the collective direction.

6. Leave EXP in INH.

7. Go to [TRAVEL ADJUST]. Use Select key to toggle between functions.

8. For THRO, set High (H) value just high enough so you get a max motor output (ESC led flashes) at max stick input. At times, this can be less than 100%. Set Low (L) value just low enough that the esc arms. At times, this is less than 100%. This provides best throttle resolution.

9. AILE, ELEV, and PIT. adjusts the cyclic servo maximum throw. Always adjust all three pairs of H and L in identical values. Values for AILE, ELEV, and PIT. must also be identical. This ensures no unneeded output interaction when controlling the cyclic action. You can adjust these to give you more or less cyclic angles. Max these out without having the servos buzzing. Recheck these settings after centering the servo arms at mid stick using the [SUB TRIM] menu.

10. Adjusting the RUDD endpoints, controls the piro rate not the servo throw. Remember that the servo receives a command signal rather than a proportional
signal. Adjust L and R piro rates so that you get the same piro rate turning left or right. IT is normal to exceed 100% for both values.

11. GEAR is used to adjust gyro gain. + value is hh mode. – value is rate mode. Set these initally at +72% and -28%. Readjust after a test hover.

12. AUX2 is unused for now. The channel is unavailable in the AR6100. The switch, however can be assigned to a function like throttle hold. This frees up the use of the Rudder D/R switch for other functions like dual piro rates.

13. Go to [SUB TRIM] menu.

14. Adjust AILE subtrim to center the left cyclic servo in mid throttle stick.

15. Adjust ELEV subtrim to center the front or rear single cyclic servo at mid stick.

16. Adjust PIT. Subtrim to center the right cyclic servo.

17. Adjust the RUDD subtrim if servo arm drifts in hh mode during tests.

18. Leave [AUTO D/R EXP] in default settings for now.

19. Go to [D/R & EXP] menu. Use Select keys to toggle between functions. Use Increase or decrease to change channel and change values.

20. Expos if used changes command sensitivity. + values makes command less sensitive. Lower value down to a negative value increases sensitivity. More sensitivity makes the heli twitchy. Full stick, however always yields the maximum programmed servo throw.

21. AILE and ELEV expos affect the cyclic. RUDD affects the piro or turn rate.

22. D/R adjusts the maximum servo arm travel of the affected functions. Reducing AILE and ELEV rates for example reduces the maximum swash plate angles. These can be toggled in flight using the marked D/R switches. Leave these at 100% for now for both on and off switch positions of the various D/R switches.

23. Note that you have two switch positions for both expo and dual rates. Toggle the
actual physical switches when setting values for each switch position. It will be indicated in POS-1 or POS-0.

24.Go to [PITCH CURVE] HOLD. Use Select key to move between throttle positions. Use Increase or Decrease keys to change values. This menu sets the main blade pitch range when the Throttle hold switch is turned on. This gives you maximum positive and negative pitch. This is useful for setting blade pitch using a pitch gauge. Mid stick is zero degrees.

25. Note that 0 to 50% gives you negative pitch. 50% to 100% gives you positive pitch. 0% is maximum negative pitch. For most helis this is -10 deg.

26. In HOLD position, set pitch range as 0-INH-50%-INH-100%.

27. Go to [PITCH CURVE] ST-2. This is for 3D. Set this for maximum head speed and fast collective response for flipping, tic tocs, etc. The S-curve is ideal for this.

28. Set ST-2 at 0-15%-50%-85%-100%. This is an S-curve. Pitch rapidly changes around the mid stick for fast vertical transitions.

29. Go to [PITCH CURVE] ST-1. Let’s keep this linear. Set it at 0-INH-50%-INH-100%. This give a smooth and predictable collective response. This is good for sport flying and mild aerobatics.

30. Go to [PITCH CURVE] NORM. Let’s dial out negative pitch or at least most of it for proper spool up. You can put a few degrees of negative pitch if desired. I prefer zero on spool up. Set this at 50%-50%-50%-INH-100%. This gives zero degrees pitch up until mid stick. Then pitch increase above it.

31. Go to [THRO CURVE] ST-2. You can keep this flat for max head speed. Or use a conservative v-curve for moderate speed. I use 100%-INH-80-INH-100%.

32. Go to [THRO CURVE] ST-1. Set this so that you get a comfortable hovering speed. I set this at 100%-INH-60-INH-100%.

33. Go to [THRO CURVE] NORM. Keep this linear unless you have an unusual motor response. Set this at 0-INH-50%-INH-100%.

34. Go to [THRO HOLD]. Use Select key to toggle between throttle hold value and desired activating switch. Set throttle value at -5.%. It is a negative value to ensure that the throttle is zero in case the esc setting drifts. Choose your desired switch. I selected SW: RUDD D/R simply because I am used to that position. You can use AUX2 if you wish to use the RUDD D/R for dual piro rate control.

35. After all settings are final, bind your receiver to the transmitter once more while keeping the transmitter sticks in your desired failsafe settings. This does away with the cyclic servos being crooked and buzzing while the receiver arms.

36. Fine tune after your test flight.

37. Go fly your heli! Congratulations.
WOW ! Thanks for that info buddy. Just bought a Dx6i and was looking at the manual, I was thinking no-way am I going to figure this thing out. Your info is going to be very helpful. "YOU DA MAN !!! LOL.:D
thanks,
Brac, Im sure this thread will be filled with info good start

brac1960 03-23-2008 02:10 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
I have been trying to figure which servo plugs into where on my Spectrum ar6200, this is what I have came up with. Can anyone tell me if it is correct ?
Esc to throtte on the rx ?
ail to ail on the rx
elev to elev on the rx
Gyro to rudder on the rx, I have a rate gyro
If I was to use a hh gyro I would also use the gear slot on the rx ?
If this is correct could somebody let me know and if not could you help ?:eek:

gene465 03-23-2008 02:24 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Brad,
Looks good! if you use the HH gyro it has one more single wire/servo plug to it and goes into the gear slot. Believe the single wire should be on the side with all the black wires but I am at work and don't have my helo in front of me

brac1960 03-23-2008 02:32 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Thanks Gene, your reply is much appreciated.[8D]

Druss 03-23-2008 04:16 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
don't forget to put the pitch into the aux slot.

brac1960 03-23-2008 04:42 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: crimsonrain22


Ch1 : Throttle (esc)
CH2: Aileron (left cyclic servo)
CH3: Elevator (front or rear single cyclic servo)
CH4: Rudder (gyro)
CH5: Gear (gyro remote gain cable)
CH6: Aux1 (right cyclic servo)

Yes, thanks Druss, I forgot to mention that one but I did pick it up on a previos post.;)

Magic Hook 03-23-2008 05:16 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Thanks, I cant believe how hard I concentrate on something yet miss read the obvious! I was putting it in the throd slot. Since we dont have a field or any other help having fun with these heli's, grandson, and son in law, would be impossible without this forum. You guys save a lot of frustration. Thanks again.

brac1960 04-06-2008 04:50 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
:D Got my Spectrum DX6i and AR6200 reciever setup on my belt cp. :D Wow! awsome tx/rx combo. Belt cp flies totally different. Unbeileivable! Really like the programmable Tx. I like how you can really fine tune sensativity of the controls and the heli itself.:D

Rosebud6 04-18-2008 10:04 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Would have been nice to know which way to set my stock servos [REVERSING SW] (reversed or normal) before i fired it up. Blew the head off the poor little thing.

ArrowNaughtic 04-18-2008 10:18 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Finless Bob White over on helifreak has a number of videos that translate to any TX out there. The one that helped me the most was the servo setup vid for the HDX300. I don't own one and never have owned one yet the servo reversing part holds true for any radio out there. For CCPM helis, with motor unplugged you first power everything up and then center the servo arms and get them all at 90*. Once that is accomplished the next step is servo reversing. Raising the throttle/collective stick you see what all 3 servos do. If any one servo moves in the opposite of the desired direction, that servo needs reversed. After the "collective pitch" function for all 3 servos is verified then one can go to the swash mix menu and program each of the other 2 cyclic functions by changing the percentage from negative to positive or vice versa for the AIL function and the ELE function. The point he stressed was get the pitch working properly first by reversing servos, then get the cyclic functions working properly using the swash mix menu.
Clear as mud??


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nuttcaze 04-18-2008 11:03 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
I got a question about my new DX6i, I see a throttle hold switch, is there a seperate idle up switch? I remember a long time ago (3 months actually :D) someone told me to always carry my heli with ther throttle hold on, had me really confused for the longest time cause stock Esky Tx's don't have that switch. Am I right to assume that the hold switch will prevent the motor from spinning up when the switch is turned on?

Rosebud6 04-18-2008 12:51 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Prevented me from firing up yesterday @ one point so i'd assume yes.

evdreamer 04-18-2008 01:46 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
Yes there should be. It will usually click to three spots: normal, Idle up 1, and Idle up 2. It is usually on the left side. The throttle hold will turn the motor off. I am not familiar with the DX6i, but on the DX7 there is also a pitch curve for the throttle hold. It is normally used to do auto rotations.

shizack 04-18-2008 03:12 PM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: nuttcaze

I got a question about my new DX6i, I see a throttle hold switch, is there a seperate idle up switch? I remember a long time ago (3 months actually :D) someone told me to always carry my heli with ther throttle hold on, had me really confused for the longest time cause stock Esky Tx's don't have that switch. Am I right to assume that the hold switch will prevent the motor from spinning up when the switch is turned on?
The DX6i idle up switch is on the top left. It's labeled GEAR F MODE. It's the "Flight Mode" switch for helis and the "Landing Gear" switch for planes.

nerdc0re79 04-26-2008 03:39 AM

RE: DX6, DX6i, DX7 thread
 
trying to get my dx7 to work on realflight G4 for heli.. anybody have a clue??? it works fine with planes but when i switch to helis. need to get the right settings


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