Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
06-13-2011, 08:30 PM
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Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />I would like to build a tiny generator, just to charge phones, ipods ETC. It's just a little project for when I get bored. Is there a tiny diesel 1cc(or so) engine in existance that could run steady for any real length of time?(Hours perhaps) I'm not sure how big RC engines get, or if there is even one that would work. Also, is there one that runs on regular diesel, or perhaps diesel with an additive? Thanks!
06-13-2011, 10:26 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
There are others here that can comment more intelligently that I, but a reed valve cox motor with a heavy duty crank and diesel head driving a small outrunner is a place to start. You'll probably break a few parts along the way and you'll need a bridge rectifier to clean up the power as well.
06-14-2011, 03:19 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
I would go with a Cox .049 (0.8cc) engine set up for diesel or compression ignition use with the special head and crankshaft myself too. Also maybe the RC carb on it as well. The carb lets the microcontroller circuit control the engine based on the current load from what is drawing power from it. It was basically an electronic governor on the engine of course.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?pro...&cat=39&page=1
Using a Cox engine would make getting parts for it easier for things that wear out over time.
A number of years ago I built a small generator charger for a robot that used a Enya .25 RC diesel engine, it worked pretty good at the time. Alas it was a project done for someone else so there are no pics of it or anything.
You might want to get a Heat sink or make a heat sink to help cool the engine better. I would also fabricate a fan of some sort to move air across the engine too.
http://coxengines.ca/product.php?pro...&cat=39&page=1
Using a Cox engine would make getting parts for it easier for things that wear out over time.
A number of years ago I built a small generator charger for a robot that used a Enya .25 RC diesel engine, it worked pretty good at the time. Alas it was a project done for someone else so there are no pics of it or anything.
You might want to get a Heat sink or make a heat sink to help cool the engine better. I would also fabricate a fan of some sort to move air across the engine too.
06-14-2011, 09:18 AM
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i know its not what you are looking for... but you could get some ideas from it http://www.sullivanproducts.com/S660INST.pdf
06-14-2011, 04:09 PM
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<meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="content-type">I would like to build a tiny generator, just to charge phones, ipods ETC. It's just a little project for when I get bored. Is there a tiny diesel 1cc(or so) engine in existance that could run steady for any real length of time?(Hours perhaps) I'm not sure how big RC engines get, or if there is even one that would work. Also, is there one that runs on regular diesel, or perhaps diesel with an additive? Thanks!
<meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="content-type">I would like to build a tiny generator, just to charge phones, ipods ETC. It's just a little project for when I get bored. Is there a tiny diesel 1cc(or so) engine in existance that could run steady for any real length of time?(Hours perhaps) I'm not sure how big RC engines get, or if there is even one that would work. Also, is there one that runs on regular diesel, or perhaps diesel with an additive? Thanks!
But what worries me here is that you state "one that runs on regular diesel, or perhaps diesel with an additive." Model diesels do not use anything like 'regular diesel' fuel.
If you mean regular 'model' diesel fuel then a model marine diesel has these advantages -
A heavy flywheel to keep revs down and doubles as a pulley for a starter cord.
The end of the fly wheel is also an excellent power take off point with a universal coupling normally being present.
They are usually built strongly and the water cooled head will cope far better with 'hours' of running than any aircooled engine.
(You should not need a water pump as convection flow to a reservoir tank should be sufficient.)
And most should have an exhaust extension that will carry away oil and fumes.
I think that a certain well known auction company with its UKbranch would be your best bet for an old time marine diesel!
P.S. This type of engine but with an exhaust manifold might suit you -
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06-15-2011, 05:56 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
I have some background with this sort of thing. The first question is how much power do you need? You have to look at your application to see if it makes sense. If sunlight is available, solar might be a better choice. If you're camping for a few days or even a week, there are probably better choices, maybe even just batteries. If you'll be off grid for a month it would be worth considering a generator if solar doesn't make sense.
Cell and iPod charging is a couple watts. If the engine makes 40-50W and 80-90% is wasted the overall fuel conversion will be less than 1% and you'll have much more headache than bringing a large LiIon pack to charge from.
Cell and iPod charging is a couple watts. If the engine makes 40-50W and 80-90% is wasted the overall fuel conversion will be less than 1% and you'll have much more headache than bringing a large LiIon pack to charge from.
06-15-2011, 10:01 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
Yes I can agree it is somewhat impractical. But I can envison a small engine turning a Johnson 12vdc motor or a Mabuchi 550 motor for a generator. One would have to gear it down maybe, as direct drive may not work, but it is a compression ignition engine so it should be able to handle the startup speed needs. it might make for a cool looking miniature scale gas generator rig.
I can see someone making a 1/12 scale gas generator. The pull start would be doubly cool with a Cox engine.
I can see someone making a 1/12 scale gas generator. The pull start would be doubly cool with a Cox engine.
06-15-2011, 12:24 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
Go for a PAW .049 any day they are great here is a link to them http://www.eifflaender.com/enginepics.htm although 1cc is not really tiny i just bought a Ronald Valentine DiVa 0.098cc. not that small even though his smallest is 0.006cc.
06-15-2011, 02:14 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
I think this is what you need:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSwha_Ug7sk[/youtube]
06-15-2011, 02:32 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
You can do that with a direct drive and a diesel engine too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMeZcX6SCU[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMeZcX6SCU[/youtube]
06-15-2011, 02:53 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
Yes, but real diesel locomotives are not direct drive. The diesel engine drives a generator.
I guess the guy wanted to be as realistic as possible.
I guess the guy wanted to be as realistic as possible.
06-15-2011, 03:01 PM
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You can do that with a direct drive and a diesel engine too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMeZcX6SCU[/youtube]
You can do that with a direct drive and a diesel engine too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMeZcX6SCU[/youtube]
06-15-2011, 07:55 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
06-15-2011, 09:14 PM
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I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
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Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
06-15-2011, 09:21 PM
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Check this out too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
06-15-2011, 09:25 PM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
And don't forget about this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pjb-9Y15HY&feature=autoplay&list=ULq51Vjbq5bjM&index=2 2&playnext=1[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pjb-9Y15HY&feature=autoplay&list=ULq51Vjbq5bjM&index=2 2&playnext=1[/youtube]
06-15-2011, 09:37 PM
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Never mind, link did not work.
06-16-2011, 02:17 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
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I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
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Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
No it's not an LA 40, LA 15 or LA 10!
It's a Mills .75 or derivative! It doesn't look anything like any OS ever made!
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06-16-2011, 02:21 AM
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Check this out too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
Check this out too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
That six diode rectifier looked very much like a four diode one!
[8D]
06-16-2011, 06:56 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
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No it's not an LA 40, LA 15 or LA 10!
It's a Mills .75 or derivative! It doesn't look anything like any OS ever made!
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I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
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Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
No it's not an LA 40, LA 15 or LA 10!
It's a Mills .75 or derivative! It doesn't look anything like any OS ever made!
[>:]
06-16-2011, 07:00 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
The concept of a generator on an engine is simple and everyone understands. The execution of the control system and how the energy will be used or stored is the real issue at hand. Are you going to sit next to it with your finger on the throttle? Are you going to design and build a power management and regulation system?
Those live diesels are cool, but I would go a completely different route for the same effect. All of those installations are about 10 times as large as needed and efficiency of those setups makes me shudder.
Those live diesels are cool, but I would go a completely different route for the same effect. All of those installations are about 10 times as large as needed and efficiency of those setups makes me shudder.
06-16-2011, 10:39 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
KeroPower, agreed - smallish OS LA in blue.
The other engine in later videos is identified in the clip showing the meter as it starts. Early 'credits' ID it as a Kyosho GX12 Nitro engine.
Things to remember with either glow or diesel engines: fuel, cooling, and exhaust 'gases.'
The fuel, as mentioned, cannot be simply filling station diesel for practical engines. Usually. it is a blend of kerosene, an igniter (ether), and oil. Consumption rates may limit the continuous run-time, if nothing else does.
Combustion engines operate by burning fuel to generate heat. Without airflow to cool exterior surfaces, better oil and/or more of it may help - as in RC car uses. The heat still must be considered.
Exhaust gases can consist largely of unburned oil, which has to be dealt with. Exhaust noise can also be a problem.
The other engine in later videos is identified in the clip showing the meter as it starts. Early 'credits' ID it as a Kyosho GX12 Nitro engine.
Things to remember with either glow or diesel engines: fuel, cooling, and exhaust 'gases.'
The fuel, as mentioned, cannot be simply filling station diesel for practical engines. Usually. it is a blend of kerosene, an igniter (ether), and oil. Consumption rates may limit the continuous run-time, if nothing else does.
Combustion engines operate by burning fuel to generate heat. Without airflow to cool exterior surfaces, better oil and/or more of it may help - as in RC car uses. The heat still must be considered.
Exhaust gases can consist largely of unburned oil, which has to be dealt with. Exhaust noise can also be a problem.
06-16-2011, 10:55 AM
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RE: Tiny Long Lived Diesel Engine?
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That six diode rectifier looked very much like a four diode one!
[8D]
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Check this out too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
Check this out too:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k5K4uI1TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
I might build one of these generators just for fun.
[8D]
I can see simply using a engine speed governor like the helicopter guys use on their heli's for this. So one wouldn't have to design, build and program one on their own, unless they really want to.
06-16-2011, 03:32 PM
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The blue engine in the live diesel video is definately an OS LA glow engine.
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No it's not an LA 40, LA 15 or LA 10!
It's a Mills .75 or derivative! It doesn't look anything like any OS ever made!
[>:]
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I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
I think it looks more like a .15 LA glow or .10 LA glow.
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Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
Is that an LA 40 Glow ?
No it's not an LA 40, LA 15 or LA 10!
It's a Mills .75 or derivative! It doesn't look anything like any OS ever made!
[>:]
Yes correct! I was looking at the other video.
The Mills was in what they call here "Garden Railway". The Mills is a very cute application.
Ray
06-16-2011, 03:49 PM
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Try post 9 Ray, it looks like an LA 40 to me!
