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Old 05-10-2011, 11:12 AM
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Default Engine & Pipe for Outlaw delta ARF?

Fellas, I'm looking to get an Extreme Flight Outlaw ARF. But as to engines, what to do? Webra's out of business so no Webra .32; and OS no longer makes the .32SX.

Any of you guys have (or know any links to) a good motor & pipe (mousse can/ tuned?)?

I've not gotten the plane yet cuz it'd be nice to first know there's an engine available for it. I'd call EF, but they're all at Joe Nall til next Mon.

thx gents
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Jett 35[sm=thumbs_up.gif][sm=thumbs_up.gif]
http://www.jettengineering.com/
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The Nelson .36 Combat Special eats Jett .35s and poops OS .15s.........
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The Nelson .36 Combat Special eats Jett .35s and poops OS .15s.........

Yeah they do.

But are they readily available? I want one.[sm=tongue_smile.gif]
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They're basically Ebay engines being sold by guys who are getting out of AMA Fast Combat. They do show up from time to time for good prices. They are truly terrifying.
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Thanks but....Ouch!!! I know Jett Engineering makes some really good stuff but are there any engine options less than $300??

Wish my budget would stretch that far but I was hoping for a more...shall I say...basis motor like Evo, Magnum, OS etc?

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There's alot of wannabee types who buy engines, never run them, then sell them on Ebay.
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Jett and Nelson definetly the way to go. I had a outlaw and i was on a budget like you. I used 2 different engines on mine. One was the webra 36 and i also tried the thunder tiger 36 both used the Jett pipe. The webra was definetly my pick but the TT36 was not to bad either (was better than a OS32). I guess the question is what is your budget for a engine and what are you looking for performance wise.
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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

There's alot of wannabee types who buy engines, never run them, then sell them on Ebay.

Thx, Combat...too bloody bad there's no "wanted" posts on Feebay!

Guess I'll just pass on the Outlaw for now, or maybe look at a Screamin Demon or somethin else


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Jett and Nelson definetly the way to go. I had a outlaw and i was on a budget like you. I used 2 different engines on mine. One was the webra 36 and i also tried the thunder tiger 36 both used the Jett pipe. The webra was definetly my pick but the TT36 was not to bad either (was better than a OS32). I guess the question is what is your budget for a engine and what are you looking for performance wise.


Actually, I don't know that I'm as discerning as many on here, who are deep into fast delta's. What I've read tho says keep the engine choice light; ie, in the .25 to .32 range. Apparently the heavier .35-.36 class engines move the cg fwd such that weight has to be added to the tail.

So in other words, I'll cast about for a .32, and if I can't find one, I'll look at another model w/ a wider engine choice range.
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The .35-.36 should be about the same weight. I run my OS .32s on planes designed for the Fox .36 with no CG issues.
If you want a budget priced engine in this size range, look up the specs on ASP, Magnum, TT, etc..
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Default RE: Engine & Pipe for Outlaw delta ARF?

What about one of these guys for less than $100?

[link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKF95&P=0]TT Pro .36[/link]

Same listed weight as an OS .25.
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What about one of these guys for less than $100?

[link=http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKF95&P=0]TT Pro .36[/link]

Same listed weight as an OS .25.

MJD thx bro.

Per Tower:

Maximum RPM range: 2,000 - 17,000
Practical RPM range: 2,500 - 14,000
Weight (w/muffler): 11.4oz (323g)

Not sure about the wt since I haven't compared to others...but would the rpms be there to give her some oomph?? I thought you needed around 17-19K to get the speed?


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My TT pro 36 with Jett pipe yielded 17,500 rpm on a 8x8 apc and around 16,500 rpm on a 9x6 apc. The outlaw moved pretty good with either prop.
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Default RE: Engine & Pipe for Outlaw delta ARF?

That's pretty darn good.
It's kind of a "forgotten" engine class because for about the same money you can go faster with a wider assortment of ARFs, kits, RTFs made for the .45 engines.
None the less, those smaller engines are fun.
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I was really impressed with it for the money but my webra 36 I would get over 18000 rpm with a 8X8. it really got me thinking why do we mess with .40 and larger engines when these little things are this strong. Then I bought my first jett engine and got me eyes opened again. Now you got me thinking about looking out for a nelson.
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I've found engines that had been out of production for years NIB on dealer's shelves. Call around to LHS's, you might find one. Same with some ARF's and kits, and at old (lower) prices.
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Default RE: Engine & Pipe for Outlaw delta ARF?

This is all I came up with after a quick search...that price is ridiculous.

MACA's website has a for sale section and you might see these engines for sale there.

AMA Fast Combat is a dying / dead event and there's a lot of these engines up for grabs if you are persistent about looking for them.

As it sits this engine weighs 8.5 ounces and spins a 7.8x6 prop about 25,000 rpm on 15% nitro.
BOCA has ceramic replacement bearings for them. My guess is you could run them with a 7x7 or 7x8 prop and get a Mini Demon going pretty fast.
Rig up a servo driven fuel shutoff and away you go.
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ORIGINAL: combatpigg

This is all I came up with after a quick search...that price is ridiculous.

MACA's website has a for sale section and you might see these engines for sale there.

AMA Fast Combat is a dying / dead event and there's a lot of these engines up for grabs if you are persistent about looking for them.



YOWSA!!! For $300 bux that oughta be a helluva motor!!!

Anyway I think I found a guy who has a Webra 32 & mousse can f/s...hope I can get it, as I understand it's a great combo for the Outlaw....yes??
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They were a very popular .32 back in the day. Supposed to be slightly stronger than the OS .32.
If you get a good specimen, you should have a lot of fun with it.
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I power mine with an OS .32SX and the stock muffler. They have been out of production for a while now, but come up on Ebay NIB for less than $100 all the time. A few months back I bought three for $70-$75 each, NIB. They'll turn an 8x8 at 18,000 no problem and are notoriously easy to run and last forever. I've never worn one out, and I've run one for 10 years before I lost it. (In a kudzu patch) They also respond well to tuned pipes.

No matter what you choose for power, be sure to use a bladder tank, like the Jett or Tetra.
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I power mine with an OS .32SX and the stock muffler. They have been out of production for a while now, but come up on Ebay NIB for less than $100 all the time. A few months back I bought three for $70-$75 each, NIB. They'll turn an 8x8 at 18,000 no problem and are notoriously easy to run and last forever. I've never worn one out, and I've run one for 10 years before I lost it. (In a kudzu patch) They also respond well to tuned pipes.

No matter what you choose for power, be sure to use a bladder tank, like the Jett or Tetra.


Hey Duck great idea on the bladder....when I was looking at a Viper 500 I recall that being a necessity there too...any ideas on which one/ what size for the Outlaw?

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Outlaw Build Thread/ Tips/ Tricks/ Mods/ Etc

Gents what's a good resource for all things Outlaw? Eg servos, batts, launching & landing, etc etc? Is she a fairly easy build?

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I run the Jett brand BubbleJett tank, I think the six ounce? It has been about a year since I put it in, but I think it was the six ounce. It is a very quick build, as there isn't really that much to put together. It is more difficult to launch than my previous delta (a Diamond Dust) but it is not too bad. I haven't perfected launching this one by myself, so I always have someone launch for me. Full throttle, about a 30* nose up angle, and slightly tilted to the right seems to work well for me. I have tried a few different props, and my favorite match for this airframe is an APC 8x8.

There is a lengthy thread (it may be a few pages back now) about the Outlaw ARF with lots of good info in it.
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I forgot to mention, for the first few flights you can try running an 9x4 if you're a bit wary if a quick delta or if this is your first speed plane. It won't give you the best performance, but it will launch easier for you.
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