Extreme Speed Prop Planes Discuss the need for speed with fast prop planes (Screamin Demon, Diamond Dust, Shrikes or any REAL sound breakin'''' plane)

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Old 07-06-2004, 11:37 PM
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Good evening.
I want to get me a speed plane but i know nothing about such planes.I saw a GP viper 500 and though of buying it but first wanted to ask you guys to recommend me something for beginner in speed planes.Any particular plane?How about engine??Does it have to be a v-teal?
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Old 07-07-2004, 10:07 AM
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My first speed plane was a GP Patriot. fast and flies like on rails.
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Old 07-07-2004, 10:26 AM
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If you want something simple...... go with the Q-500. Inexpensive, well behaved at all airspeeds...... no complexity of retracts or hand launch. Power it with just about any current 40 or 46 engine, and it will exceed 100 mph.

Inexpensive combination for sport flying...... Lanier Predator...... ThunderTiger .46........ APC 9x7. Break the engine in on an 9x6. After 10 flights, switch to the 9x7 and the plane will easily exceed 110 mph. The nice thing, is it will slow down like a trainer for landing. Dont be worried about the V-tail. If your radio does not support v-tail.....for sport flying...... its ok to just omit the rudder function and use them as elevators only.

There are a number of Q-500 kits and ARFs that have conventional tails too. Hobby People sells the Sonic 500 (scat cat clone). Lanier makes the Dominator kit. Doddgers and Scat Cat kits can be found on the marketplace from time to time.

Also worth a look..... matneymodels.com has several foam/glass Q-500s that are easy to build. Not much work. All fly well. The Zoomer is a fun plane......basically a modified Q-500.

Engines........ to start with...... any good ball bearing 40 or 46 will do for anything mentioned above. I kinda like the TT engines......good value. The OS 50 and AX46 are good choices as well, and not expensive. It is easy enough to bolt on a Jett-Stream muffler to any of them at a later date, and get another handful of RPM at your disposal. The top of the line for sport flying Q-500 type planes...... is the Jett 50 'speed' engine (uses q-500 muffler).

Beyond that........ the Patriot is an excellent plane if you want to build a bit more. Lots of other options too.

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Old 07-07-2004, 05:45 PM
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Uhhhhhhhhh.....YEAH....what Bob said!

You can do it cheap, or you can go all out....how much moola ya got?

We found the $89 Sonic/$65 GMS 47 is about the "cheapest" way to go fast. Go to Jett Engineeering dot com, if ya want to go really really fast!

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Gary,

Is recovering the Sonic a must? I saw you mention in another post the covering is pretty bad. What kind of speed will you get with a 47?
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Old 07-07-2004, 05:59 PM
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Dean,

I hear the new Modeltech planes have changed to Monokote, so if that's the case...the Sonic would not need to be re-covered. The original covering sucked, but most guys have enough in just scrap to re-cover it, as it's pretty small.

They sure fly good, for the money.

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Uhhhhhhhhh.....YEAH....what Gary said!

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Gary - what types of speeds can I expect with the the Sonic and a 47? Can this plane handle a 61?
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61 ?????? nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not on a quickie!! Way too heavy.

Quickies will actually fly well on anything from about a .20 to a .46. We use to sport-race them with Webra .28 engines, and they were nearly as fast as with the .40 up front (At the time). My 12 year old scat cat has a ST.29 on it at the moment. Makes for a nice sport/funfly plane, and its pretty fast with an old 8.75x7 rev up on it.

The GMS 47 runs about the same as a TT40 or 46. Its a pretty good choice for over-all value. You can expect about the same speeds. You may want to keep the prop selection a bit higher.... 9x7 and 9x8 sorta size...... the engine has power but from my experience it didnt like running much above 16,000 rpm for any extended period of time. An APC 8.75x8W should work quite well used with any quickie.

You can get a backplate mount to fit just about any of the .40 size engines. Makes the Q-500 installation neat and clean. Jett sells round and square backplates. LCS also has 3 types lcsperformance.com . The bolt-on type mounts (instead of the backplate replacement mount) would probably be what you would need for the GMS.
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Bob - How about an Irvine 53? Same footprint as a 46/47 and only about 1oz heavier.
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yeah....that will work. Fairly good engine too.
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ORIGINAL: bob27s
Fairly good engine too.
Fairly good? [X(] Mine is great in my funfly. very reliable.
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Old 07-08-2004, 02:12 PM
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Buy a laser arrow...... can fly anything from a 25 to 60 engine.

And its easy to fly at all speeds.

A good place to start.
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Old 07-08-2004, 04:43 PM
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Thanks for the input fellowsKeep it coming.
How about some spads??Does anyone built/bought/flew any speed spads?
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Old 07-08-2004, 11:57 PM
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Spad...heck yeah...fun little boogers too...

One guy is getting 120+mph out of his spad dust. Not bad for $20 worth of plastic...

I personally built a dogfighter (30 sized bird with a tt .46 on front) for our club races. I estimate 80mph but others swear its easily doing 100+mph. Turns on a dime too. Just make sure you take precautions and reinforce control surfaces...
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Old 07-09-2004, 05:33 AM
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Can I buy a ARTF version of a Q-500 plane in the UK anywhere?

I have an engine ready for a new plane, a Rossi 40, already got the engine so no point buying anything else.

Only have about £100 to buy the plane, otherwise I'm thinking about the new Weston Tigarshark

If this engine is not suitible for this plane what other planes would work well with it?
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Old 07-09-2004, 06:46 AM
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Try Modelcraft in Coventry, they have a lot to do with pylon and you should be able to get something fairly decent from them for under £100.

http://www.modelcraft.co.uk/


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I'm about to go for a Tigershark, got a new V1 engine for it
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I would love to buy that engine,

Just can't afford it yet
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There is a guy on the BMFA site selling a new one for £130, complete with pipe!
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I know, thats the one i've bought!!
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Lucky git!!!!
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I cant decide between the Magnum and the Tigershark!!
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Me thinks the Magnum, not that i have one but i think it would be nicer, alternatively a Diamond Dust!!!
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as long as the magnum will slow down a bit and be tamed whislt i'm getting used to it........I'll only use full throttle in bursts to start with. Can anyone tell me..... "will the magnum R with V1, slow down, and still fly well??"

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