Extreme Speed Prop Planes Discuss the need for speed with fast prop planes (Screamin Demon, Diamond Dust, Shrikes or any REAL sound breakin'''' plane)

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Old 07-29-2002, 02:32 PM
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hello there
i saw that the propjets like the patriot and f-20 is about 100mph top speed
what is the speed landing?
we have a small field and i dont know if i can buy tose birds...
i am flying over here a gp extra 300 and a 60 sized mustang
is the patriot,f-20,couger etc... landing speed is like the standart 40 sized planes or mutch more higher?

and where can i find the patriot?...i searched for him but i couldn't find.
please help me

and how will he fly with an o.s 46 fx?

you can give me more advises of other planes if you like and please attach links and prices because i am new to the propjets area.

thank you
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Old 07-29-2002, 06:49 PM
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landing speed isnt your problem, its the glide you have left after your engine quits, some fast planes thats almost nothing.
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I will answer your Questions.....
The object of the F-20, or the Patriot is to go faster than the "sport" planes...
Forget the .46 FX....
Get a Rossi .45, or a Jett .50....
The Patriot is discontinued....Keep an eye out on E-Bay...
Or put ads in the RC sites under " Planes wanted".....
The Cermark 40 size F-20 is discontinued....
The Direct Connections 40-size F-20 is still available....
It is an ARC...and you have to cover the plane....

These planes will go 140-150 mph...no problem....
My 40 size Cermark, with a long-pipe Rossi .45 sucks the tank dry in 5 and 1/2 laps...that's less than 5 minutes....and every landing is dead-stick...
These planes are light at about 5 LBS....It glides fine, and does not drop like a rock...
It'll come in like a Cougar, or an Ultra Sport....
A short field shouldn't be a problem....

If you can get that Mustang in ok...you shouldn't have a problem with the DC 40 F-20....

If your lookin' for a little more speed...get one, and have a ball.
Good luck to you over there....
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I am building a patriot right now and I have to decide what engine, retracts, and servos I will be using... I have bin flying for two years and I have flown a big stick and an ultra sport..

Crashed the big stick, may it rip...

in my workshop I have an o.s. 46FX on the ultra sport with a tower hobbies 46 muffler ( they are slightly tunned ). Then I have two tower 46 engines and some spare standard servos from the big stick. I only want to go about 100 to 125 mph because I have to stay within my age limit of 16. So, take that into consideration and don't worry I can handle the speed increase of about 40mph ( from the ultra sport).

I wanted to use spring airs for retracts and the tower 46 for a power plant but will it reach the speeds that I am looking for or should I buy an os 46FX with a tuned pipe...... So many things to decide. O yea and for the servos I was thinking about buying a flight pack from futaba with ball bearing servos!!!!

What do you guys think!!!!

I will soon post pics of the building process.....
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Great plan, young man !!!!
Bruckners hobbies in N.Y. sells the flight packs with the 3004 BB servos cheaper than anyone else...ask for them...


You can get a Rossi .45 with a mini-tuned pipe from Morris Hobbies for I think $138.95...they run on 5% nitro which saves a couple bucks.....
Over-prop it just slightly with an APC 10-7, and you'll be right at the speed limit...

I would forget the retracts....

Put the two TH .46's in a Twin Star....

Post pics.....

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Thanks for the input...

Are you sure about the retracts because I installed them on the ultra sport and I think it made a big difference!!!

And you dont think an o.s. 46FX with tuned pipe would be good
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The retracts only make a 5-10 MPH increase...under about 120..
( at best ) At higher speeds, with alot of power...the drag will off-set the weight of the retracts, and the two extra servos, and the bigger battery pack to run 'em.

See those skinny wheels on my F-20 ? I doubt that retracts ( 3 ) with 2 servos, and more battery would result in more speed. the main reason is the "fat" fuse...with the intakes....the patriot is slimmer......see what i mean ???

The Patriot will be faster than the Ultra Sport....

The Fx is a good runnin' "sport motor"...if your lookin' for a little more speed....your gonna' have to move into the higher RPM motors....if the O.S. is in good shape...give it a try...
But i wouldn't buy another one with a tuned pipe...

The Rossi ...is a step up...then into the Jett's, and Nelsons...

Save the sport motors...for sport planes...IMHO....

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Default Dave is correct..

I just put my Patriot up today (maiden..), it halls a** with just an Irvine 53 and a stock muffler... That is just a solid sport engine!

Rossi, Webra speed, YS, JETT.. Are a step above!

I am guessing a top speed today of 85MPH, Irvine 53, 5% Nitro, no retracts...

I flew around at 1/4 throttle to see the stall char. and was limping @ roughly 20mph!!

Lands at about 25-30mph, coming in "hot" (guessing) 20mph when limping :stupid:

Keep us posted,
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Default Razor....retracts...?

Do you think that retracts would be really that beneficial on the "Pat"....unless you were goin' for some kind of speed record ????
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Old 08-01-2002, 06:09 AM
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Default Nope...

I have only got an Irvine up front for goodness sake! I won't be on the Jett Eng. web-site anytime soon...

Kinda like a "turbo-pinto" doncha think?

I may put my YS-45RE in there pretty quick tho.

I don't think retracts are necessary, but if I had some spring-airs laying around...They would be under my "Pat."

Either way, keep us posted!

Saw a Patriot on E-bay tonight (per below pic..) Over 200 bucks (so far..) for just the built plane.

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Old 08-01-2002, 12:37 PM
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Any ball bearing .46-.51 engine with a tuned pipe should give you the speed your looking for. Go with the retracts if you like, there's nothing like seeing the Patriot hauling a## with the gear retracted.
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Old 08-01-2002, 11:01 PM
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so true... so true... I cant wait...
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Old 08-04-2002, 06:08 PM
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what do you think about this...

I was at the field today and a trainer had a webra 40 on it he was flying at 1/2 throttle and it was going as fast as my old 40 at full power.

I was wondering what you guys thought about putting a webra 50 or 40 in my new patriot... What do you guys think and how fast do you think it will fly....
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