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Old 11-19-2004, 02:01 AM
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Default El Mirage Speed Challenge #1

Okay, enough goofin' off... I just came in from the speed-shed where I took the OS-46FX off my ACM Whiplash and replaced it with a Bob Brassell HIGHLY modified Jett-50SE (Jett-Stream Muff. no pipe-) [X(]

Flyboy Dave has pics of a quickee equipped with a Rossi-45, Airgar has that Rifle and a pink delta... Anyone else close by wanna piece of the action?

Lets pick a day or weekend and burn some nitro...

To the folks who do not know already, EL Mirage is in San Bernardino county and is a dry lake bed about 1 mile across and 8 miles long--- Full-scale planes land here, turbines fly, etc.

Anybody?
Pink Slips?
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Old 11-19-2004, 03:34 AM
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........Yer' on, Dude....

....I have either the Morris .45 or the K&B .40 Quickie going in my Speed entry.

(the speed entry is a secret )

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How is the mud?
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Old 11-19-2004, 12:31 PM
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Deep....with water covering it....[]
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Old 11-19-2004, 01:52 PM
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Default RE: El Mirage Speed Challenge #1

Well, the Rifle is not ready...but I'm working on it.

James, you got something that'll keep up with the "Panty Bandit"?

BTW, what's a "speed-shed"? Your wife still keepin' ya outside?
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:18 PM
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BTW, what's a "speed-shed"? Your wife still keepin' ya outside?
ROFL........


Wish I was out west a bit. Id join yall. Anyone for floats on the dry lake ?
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:57 PM
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My "shop" is a rickety old shed about 75 yards from the house... It would leak also but I am in San Diego

I sometimes run my engines in the "speed-shed" and when I emerge I look like Cheech and Chong getting out of their van
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Old 11-19-2004, 06:18 PM
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I sometimes run my engines in the "speed-shed" and when I emerge I look like Cheech and Chong getting out of their van
In case you forgot James, I am a Contractor...so I'd be more than happy to come by and cut a couple windows in, and take the roof off... since you don't have to worry 'bout rain. (I had a visual of you coming out of your shed...HA HA) And all it would cost you is a couple dozen Jetts.

Hey Bob,

Do you, or have you flown off water? I built a trainer years back with floats, but the only water it saw was in my swimming pool. I think that would be a blast, and would love to give it a go again. The problem here in So. CA is finding water to fly off of.
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Default RE: El Mirage Speed Challenge #1

I would love to fly off water... You trust your GMS-47 out in the middle of a body of water?

Couple dozen Jett's? Hmm... That is over $1,000 bucks [X(]

Maybe you can finish the Rifle by the time the water subsides up there...
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Sure, I'd trust it....

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P.S. (I can swim)
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Old 11-20-2004, 01:18 AM
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Default RE: El Mirage Speed Challenge #1

You guys should really try it off water. It's different & a lot of fun. The last couple of years I've flown my NorthStar. At first I had a ST45 in it but I wanted a bit more speed so it's got an MVVS .49 in it now with a Cline fuel regulator. This allowed me to put a 10 oz fuel tank in it just in front of the CG using 6 feet of fuel line, 3 ft fuel & 3 ft pressure. She probably does about 90 - 100 mph, landings are beautiful done slightly hot with barely a splash.
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Count me in. I'll drive up from Orange County to El Mirage for a gathering of speed freaks and revver brothers!!
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Old 11-21-2004, 02:54 PM
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Hey Robert,

We'd be glad to have ya join us!

I tell ya though, after last nights storm and all the snow they got up there, it may a few more weeks before the lake bed is dry enuff to fly on.

Oh well, just more time for me to get my Rifle ready....

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Old 11-21-2004, 03:06 PM
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Robert....don't bother coming up this weekend....

....wait !....snow skis....that's the ticket.... ( in So. Cal. )
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Hey Dave, I thought it was called "Sunny California"?! Jeez, you got more snow that we do! Actually we ain't got none yet...
Hey HavinFun, I did a lot of flyin' off of Lake Delta this year with my Seamonster. It's pretty cool shootin' touch and goes huh?! How does that thing handle choppy water though?
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Hey PropTop,

Where is Rome, NY? I was born and raised in Utica, upstate NY. I also have relatives in Rochester, Syracuse.

Too dang cold for me.....

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PropTop,
Where I fly off water it's a pretty small lake, what you see in the picture is about as rough as it gets,
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A few weeks is fine, gives us enough time to get some folks together! Of course that means I can NOT fly my Whip until then for fear I will crash my Speed Challenge entry [X(]

I'll bring a Patriot or two for between speed flights


Dave- What-r'ya workin' on?
Gary- What shade of pink you gonna cover the rifle in?
Robert- What-r'ya bringin'?
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Gary- What shade of pink you gonna cover the rifle in?
I'm thinkin' a rose pastel with a hint of orchid pearl......
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Old 11-21-2004, 09:26 PM
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Lets pick a day or weekend and burn some nitro...

Sounds great....but 2 questions....

1.) Can I run without AMA coverage?

2.) Can I run something other than nitro?

I considertation, I can bring a digital Stalker radar gun :-)
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Matt- 1. There is no AMA coverage there anyway--- (Haven't you flown there before?)
2. I'm guessin' you are gonna run Jet-A?

It has been awhile since I was in the Jet forum but I would guess you are bringing something along the lines of a Composite Bandit, Bob-Cat, or something [X(] Or some P-200 Monster!

I would love to see some radar readings of all these aircraft! Especially for you since you can go >200
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Gary, we might have been almost "neighbors" 'cuz Utica is only about 15 miles S.E. of Rome...Our weather was good enough today (mid 40's) for me to test fly a VQ P-38 today (for a friend) powered by a strong running pair of O.S. .91 4 strokes! That thing was movin' along pretty good at WOT w/ 13x8 3 blade MAS props...

HavinFun, our lake is rarely that calm, 'cuz it's usually fairly breezy, and/or there are boats makin' waves. The V bottom of the Seamonster seems to handle mild chop O.K. though. It's got a TT .46 w/ a Tower muffler that pulls it nicely...
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I was young we left NY (about 10 yrs old), and didn't know what the next city was, let alone one that was 15 miles away.

13x8 3 blade props? Didn't know the 91's could swing that kind of lumber....

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Hey Bob,

Do you, or have you flown off water? I built a trainer years back with floats, but the only water it saw was in my swimming pool. I think that would be a blast, and would love to give it a go again. The problem here in So. CA is finding water to fly off of.
I use to fly off of water quite often back on Long Island, and off and on down in Atlanta. I use to market some nice foam floats too. Would't it figure that now that I live 3 miles from one of the worlds largests bodies of fresh water, I have yet to fly a seaplane here in Ohio !!!

My first times out on water were a K&B.40 powered Falcon 56 with 28" GeeBee floats bolted on. Flew great. I've also flown the Sr.Falcon, Super Kaos, and Ugly Stick with the 33" geebee floats. My foam floats are 36" long......good for big birds. Flew a Curare off the lake one time with those... flew absolutely perfectly. I had a northstar for a while, and that was kinda fun... just wasn't aerobatic enough for my liking. Took up a lot of room when I didnt have quite enough... so I found it a good home. Definately a unique aircraft though. I believe I had a Como .50 on it. I've also flown a Q-500 (Scat cat if i recall) with floats.....that was very well behaved, and still pretty quick! Of all of them, the ugly stick and kaos were my favorites on floats.

I still have the 33" GeeBee floats after 20 years of use. They work fabulous in the snow, and are hanging right next to the old uglystick just waiting for the snow to fly. My refurbished ultrasport .60 will have float mounting points for my 36" foam core floats so that should be lake-worthy come summer time. If changing out the engine mount is not a great hassle, it may have the SJ-90 up front when its done.
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1. There is no AMA coverage there anyway--- (Haven't you flown there before?)
Hi Razor,

I did not know if you had an informal "sanction" on this or not. I have only flown at Rabbit, not El Mirage. I have not like the frequency control situation at El Mirage, but I might have that licked by next year.

As for the AMA in general, as you might know this is a huge issue with the jet crowd. There are some that claim even if you are not flying under AMA sanction (like a day at El Mirage), you are still jeopardizing the AMA if you violate the safety code, even while claiming to not need AMA insurance. I am in somwhat agreement with this position, if you have AMA covereage, they will get pulled into it somehow, and the AMA has never (to my knowledge) denied a claim over a Safety Code violation, so chances are you could not leave them out of any claim.

I have debating how to deal with this, and for now I am just going to let my AMA lapse for the first few months of next year (I am covered by a multimillion dollar PUP anyway).

I am not sure my plane will be ready, or if my thumbs will be ready, but when this one goes it should be good (my old one did 282 mph)
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