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Old 12-03-2004, 01:31 PM
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Hey Guys

Just thought I'd share some pics of a new bird. For those who aren't familiar with the original aircraft it was a scratch built P-51 fuselage with an -H model vertical mated to a Lear Jet wing and horizontal. Up front was a Rolls Royce Griffon with counter rotating props out of a Shackelton patrol bomber. Sadly it crashed at Reno killing pilot Gary Levitz. It was one of the most attractive of all the unlimiteds in my opinion. Pics of it can be found here: www.warbirdaeropress.com or www.aafo.com

I designed this MA2 in '99 for a loose 1/12 Reno class we raced locally. It is all laser cut with Obechi sheeted foam wing with carbon spars. The canopy and belly pan/scoop are molded fiberglass/carbon. Span is 34 1/2" The prototype was powered by a RJL Conquest .15 piped, weighed 2.5 lb. It did 127 mph flat and level. I always wanted to go faster with it so this one has a Nelson .15 with an enclosed pipe, a few other aero mods and weighs 2.2 lb. Im hoping for 140 mph, we'll see.

Anyone else into 1/12 Reno stuff? I aslo have a Super Corsair built from a Pica kit. In various stages of construction I have a Critical Mass and Stilletto from Airkill kits and a Czech Mate of my own design with a glass fuselage.

Hope to see some pics of your small stuff.

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Default RE: 1/12 Scale Miss Ashley II pics

That is one SMOOOOTH looking plane! Makes me wish there was 48 hours in a day, to make time for building one of those. It will be interesting to hear how the NELSON compares with the CONQUEST.
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Thanks for the nice words. I hope to fly it in 2-3 weeks. I still need to cut a decal set for it and finish the radio install. Might get slowed up a little though. Look what showed up at the shop today.

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I have a 1/12 Rare Bear from air-kill with the racing airfoil that I need to get started on after my current list of projects is
somewhat shorter....How do your Airkill planes fly ??? I'm doing mine with a 25FX with the macs header & pipe..

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Your Miss is really cute !

Do you have any picture of the enclosed pipe setup ?
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Xan

The Airkill kits fly well especially the Bear. The only thing I have found I needed to change was I took the positive angle of incdence out of the tail. The +2 deg that is in the main wing is fine....It just had too much pich change with speed for my liking. This plane just has no need for decalage. Your .25 with the pipe will make it haul. You can start with a 9x5, and it will accelerate right out of you hand at launch. When you feel the need switch to an 8x6 or 7 and it will boogie.

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I will take a few pics of the pipe install for you. Its quite simple really.

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Hi Red,

Here are my two Airkill planes, the Bearcat Conquest made up (sort of) in the Jet America markings, and the P51-B model. They both have OS32SX power which pulls these small planes close to 150 mph (radar confirmed). I also have the Airkill P51 Strega kit still in the box.

Our club made 1 attempt to race 1/12th scale, but lack of interest killed the event. Oh well. Nevertheless, it was fun to race them the one time. We were limited to .25 size engines for the race, but we could use performance pipes. With the os25fx, the Bearcat was clocked at 125 mph.


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Hi Darwin !

150 mph on such tiny airframes wow !

A few questions :

Are these 1/12th scale ?
Which prop do you use ?
How much nitro ?
And... what are the pipes pictured ?

Thanks for your help.
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Old 12-09-2004, 12:39 PM
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HI Strykass,

Yes, these are 1/12th scale Reno racer kits. Wing span is about 30 inches long and the wing area is only about 240 - 250 sq. inches. They weigh approx 2 lbs (0.9 kg) with engine and radio installed. The wing is balsa-sheeted foam construction.

They were originally designed for 1/12th scale combat, but the designer modified the wings for speed. There is a web site, but it is kind of out-of-date (www.airkill.com) .

I have tried different props, but the best prop for speed with the .25 engines is an APC 8.5 X 5. With the 32SX engines, I use APC 8X6 and 8 X 7. Fuel is 20% nitro.

The pipe on the yellow Bearcat is a Performance Specialties UltraThrust muffler (fits .25- .32 engines), and the red pipe on the P51-B is from Jett Engineering. I forget the model, but it's the same pipe that comes standard with Jett engines. Both work well on the OS engines.

These little planes are the fastest planes I have flown, yet they are surprisingly easy to fly. I have always had a helper hand-launch them for me, however. I haven't tried to launch them myself yet.

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Thx Darwin for your detailed answered [sm=thumbup.gif].
You've just totally convinced me at buying one of these kits...

Where can I buy one online ?
Is rudder functional ?
Which servos (high power for such speeds) are u using ?

I would put my Webra .32 on the Bear...

Thanks
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Strykass,

The rudder is fixed, and is not really needed since we hand-launch these planes.

I purchased these kits locally since the designer owns a shop only a few miles from my workplace. I know he has a web site (www.airkill.com) but I had to do a Google search to find the email address: airkill@jps.net

Rumor is that there is a short supply of these kits left, but there may be new ones kitted in the future. I suggest sending an email to Jeff Weiss and asking him about the availability. I also saw some airkill kits offered on ebay.

I should probably add at this point that these kits are considered "builders" kits because the instruction "manual" assumes you have built a couple of other kit projects previously. However, I'm sure you would have no trouble building it since you are an experienced builder. One friend who has built a number of them likes to brag that he can put one together in 3 days. However, it takes me much longer!

Hope this helps.

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Strykass,

I forgot to answer your question about the servos:

I use HiTech HS-225BB for the elevator and aileron and a HS-81 for throttle. I run two 2-25 pushrods to the elevator (left and right side) and solder them together near the servo control arm. The HS 225BB servos are popular with the Quickee-500 crowd and they seem to perform well at high speed.

If you stick to .25 engines or smaller, you can get away with HS-81 for the elev and aileron, but use the bigger servos if you go with the .32 engine.

So, really nothing special about the servo's. No flutter problems seen at high speed.

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I had mentioned something about this in an earlier post. I love the little 1/12 scale racers. Iv'e got a crazy idea to put my MVVS q-500 40 in a 1/12 mustang. Iv'e got a pica FW-190 that really scoots with an OPS .21, a .40 would be rediculous but a lot of fun. Feedback anyone???


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Lownverted, how do you meassure the air speed? [&:]
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Blue

I don't measure airspeed, just ground speed with a radar gun.

Darwin

Have we met? I know Jeff and flew combat (2610 PacNats) for a few years. I was bummed that the racing didn't take off. I guess there was a little friction from the SWRA guys huh?

Later
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Red,

I'm not sure if we have met or not. I fly at the SAM and Mather clubs in Sacramento. Perhaps at one of the warbird races?

Anyway, I still think the 1/12th scale Airkill kits are one of the best-kept secrets for cheap speed planes out there. The kits are something like $70 and a 32SX is $99 on sale. Not bad for 150 mph worth of fun! I suppose the hand-launch thing might put people off, and then you do need some grassy area to land on.

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Yes the small stuff is a blast. Everyone seems to think hand launching is some sort of black art, but when they see it they can't believe how easy it is. As for landing our field is Astro turf and I use a wire skid through the motor mount sticking down about 3" and skids on the other contact points and they survive well.

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were do you got that radar gun from ?
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Blue Moon

I have an older one, but if you search for "Stalker Pro" it seems to be a pretty popular one.

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is this the same stuff as the police use?
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Yes same stuff.

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I designed this MA2 in '99 for a loose 1/12 Reno class we raced locally. It is all laser cut with Obechi sheeted foam wing with carbon spars. The canopy and belly pan/scoop are molded fiberglass/carbon. Span is 34 1/2" The prototype was powered by a RJL Conquest .15 piped, weighed 2.5 lb. It did 127 mph flat and level. I always wanted to go faster with it so this one has a Nelson .15 with an enclosed pipe, a few other aero mods and weighs 2.2 lb. Im hoping for 140 mph, we'll see.

Anyone else into 1/12 Reno stuff? I aslo have a Super Corsair built from a Pica kit. In various stages of construction I have a Critical Mass and Stilletto from Airkill kits and a Czech Mate of my own design with a glass fuselage.

Hope to see some pics of your small stuff.

Hi do you have a set of plans to sell me?
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Where is the picture?
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Where is the picture?

He quoted my original post.
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