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Old 02-02-2005, 12:35 AM
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I just took a look at this thing and my first impression is for $299, this is one stupid looking plane. The fuselage profile and canopy is ridiculous! I don't understand, if designers can make it look this bad, why can't they make it look good? This is just another company trying to flood the market with junk. Don't patronize these people!

I'm sure that they will have a "name your own price" advertisement after a while just to unload them. I would not even pick this up if it were 1/2 price and in kit form. You can do much better for a lot less. Shoot the GP Patriot looks better than this and its not even sportscale. Very sad.
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Old 02-02-2005, 06:21 AM
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hehe...I dont think it looks that bad....

When you look at it, there is no way that you could mistake it for a F-5
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Old 02-02-2005, 08:31 AM
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The back end up to the back of the canopy is fine but from their forward is not good. Then the nose cone they used for the picture looks like the front of a dome on a C-130. It just bothers me that whoever designed this thing makes it look like that. Look at the front end of Kangke or Direction Connection and even that new one by Sportsman looks good but no retracts.

Then you have this thing. Looks like the Canopy had been left out in the sun to long. This is not 40 years ago when the technology of the time would allow this to pass for what they call it. With todays Autocad and laser cutting, for $300 we should get a better product.
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Old 02-02-2005, 10:22 AM
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I tend to agree. It kinda looks like a distorted cartoon caricature. [sm=lol.gif]

If you look at their A-4, they did the same thing except messed the nose section up even worse. The canopy is about 200% larger than the rest of the airplane, and shrinking the intakes didn't help either. One of the most difficult sections to get right is the nose and canopy section and that's the area I first look at. I think any airplane with a circular and pointed nose section (like the F-14, Mig-29, Su-27) would be a much easier to do than a airplane with tapered (flattened?) nose section..like the A-4, I mean, how can you get a spinner to look like an A-4 nose??

IMHO, I think the canopies on the F-5, A-4, the F-4 need to be completely done over (and correctly) and the all of their propjets should go in for a rhinoplasty.

On the other hand, I'm just excited that there is someone out there trying to fill the void of some of the other propjets that have been discontinued...GP's F-4, F-14, F-15 cermarks f-16, etc... I'm still hooked on the mig though. It actually looks the best of all four...

I understand that they're not going to be perfectly scale because they're not jets, but I still like 'em because I'm too cheap to get a turbine.

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Old 02-02-2005, 12:22 PM
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I don't know. It looks fine to me. It's not a true scale plane so I wouldn't bash it too badly. I would know it was an F5 if you brought it to the flying field.

I do agree with johntheroadie...the A4 looks pretty weird. Although I would also know what it was if it showed up at the field.

Sure wish these ARF guys would affer ARCs though. I'd like to do my own covering and it gives me the opportunity to check the construction before covering.

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Old 02-02-2005, 12:44 PM
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Along with Johntheroadie, if they have actual pictures of the plane, they better use those instead of what they have on the webpages because what is on their now is not going to help their sales.
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Old 02-02-2005, 01:49 PM
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I'm all with Don on the ARC option. There are lots of good schemes out there that's just begging to be done on those airplanes!

Ya know, I may be totally off base here, but it looks like the cockpit area was scaled around the pilot? If you look at photos of the F-4, the pilots are squished in there pretty good, but the canopy is more in proportion. Looking at the other two, the pilot figures are more in proportion to the canopy and cockpit area... but are completely outta wack with the rest of the airplane. I hope they didn't compromise the looks of the A-4 and F-5 just so they could use the same pilot in all of their planes, but maybe it's just a coincidence. Just my worthless thoughts.

Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to bash VMAR....I'm proud that they're putting out a few propjets and I give them kudos for doing it. Sure they got a few flaws, but like Don said, they aren't meant to be totally scale. But p'haps for 300 bones, they could've put in a smaller pilot.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:39 PM
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hey guys I have to agree, the f5e looks weird to me as does the skyhawk..hell even when I look at my Phantom..from the cockpit to the nose cone it looks weird ..but mostly in photos in person it's not that bad..although john your exactly right about the scaling..

we need a manufacture to fill the gap ..there is no way in hell I can afford a turbine.. I hate the sounds of ducted fan jobs..besides the few video's Ive seen I dont even like how DF's fly.. but like I said I've only seen a couple so I might be speaking to soon.

I personally like ARF's ..I dont have a lot of spare time ..if it came down to kits ..I'd probably never get out to fly..but I wish someone would come up with more scale like prop jets and of course for the icing.. a reasonable price to boot
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Could be the pics on the website suck, too. Foreshortened here and there.

I would never give the Lanier F-86 a second look based on this picture... LOL!!


But I've heard it flies well.

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Old 02-02-2005, 02:59 PM
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hattend..that photo actually makes the f5E look good...lol
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Old 02-02-2005, 04:29 PM
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I was wondering whe that lanier was going to show up. That is so bad its not even worth a conversation
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Old 02-02-2005, 04:45 PM
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I just couldn't resist. That Lanier F-86 is hideous (the rudder pushrod ruins the look, too). If I didn't already have too many prop jet projects in line (AKM Mig and SU and RCC F-18 and F-20), I'd get that VMar F-5...It isn't that bad looking.

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I was wondering whe that lanier was going to show up. That is so bad its not even worth a conversation
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Old 02-02-2005, 07:04 PM
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Default RE: F-5E by Vmar/Richmond RC

they claim retract ready... no mention of what type of retracts...air or mechnical????

World models does a chipmunk and a mustang or 3 with mechanical retracts for 249-299.

if they, (vmar) show at Toledo i will look at them
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retracts for the 60 - 90 size vmar would probably mean robart 608 hd and 610 mechanicals
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Old 02-05-2005, 05:26 AM
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From a scale outline perspective only , I think the F-5 looks ok ... (as opposed to brilliant etc).. much better than the A4 Skyhawk anyway.

As to how VMAR models themselves build and fly (this is my first) ... I'am just finding out ... I'm the process of building the F-4.... ....looks pretty good, and could'nt be easier to build.

I think that I could also be tempted by the F-5 and definitely the MIG sometime in future.
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Old 02-05-2005, 09:27 AM
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Here is a copy of some of the specs found on the web page for the F-5E

All Wood Built Up Construction using Laser Cut Parts!
VCOTE 2 - 3DS 3D Detailing System!
Factory Installed Pilot and Cockpit Detailing!
Composite clamp style Engine Mount! No Drilling Required!
Scale like rendition of panel lines, rivets and graphics!
One Piece Factory Pre-Joined Swept Symmetrical Wing!
Flap and Flaperon Ready!
Retract Ready!
Mechanical Recommended such as... Robart #ROB-608HD Mains & #ROB-610 Nose Gear
Pre-hinged Control Surfaces... Factory Installed and Pinned!
Control Rods pre-installed!
Full Color Illustrated Assembly Manual


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Old 02-17-2005, 09:45 PM
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HEY GUYS LET US NOT BE SO HARSH.AT LEAST V-MAR IS TAKING A CHANCE TO GIVE US NON ROUTINE FLYERS SOMTHING DIFFERENT.I THINL THE F5 IS PRETTY DARN GOOD AS WELL THE PHANTOM AND ESPECIALLY THE MIG.I PLAN TO DO THE MIG AND NOW I MUST HAVE THE F5 AS WELL.NOW THE SKYHAWK......WELL UMM,NOT SO GOOD.BUT A NICE TRY.REMEMBER A SAFE PLANE CAN GO FASTER!
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I agree- The F-5 and MIG look pretty dang good to me! At least they are trying to give us some different propjets to choose from!

Geesh-- harsh critics in here...
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Does any have experience flying the Vmar F-5. I am interesed in buying one.
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Old 03-04-2005, 01:28 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has flown an F-5 yet...

I found this one on ebay today and it made my ugly propjet list. [:'(] A GP tomcat can look pretty good (provided you overlook that s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d tail section), but this is what happens when canopy cutting and nose carving goes horribly wrong. It looks like a box from the firewall back..and I have no comment on the canopy.

Propjets can be done right. Take this patriot, for example. What's so difficult about a beautifully carved balsa cowl anyway?
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yeah, thats not the best example of the GP F-14 you might find. Perhaps needed a bit more time with the sand paper.

this one looks pretty nice...
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Old 03-04-2005, 03:34 PM
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Bob, That is a prime example of how one should be! Excellent! What size Jett engine is in that one?
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same as on the nose of the XL you had pictured there...... SJ-90L
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