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Need for Speed - GP Patriot

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Old 09-18-2002, 06:10 AM
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

I want a normal ARF kit that can really haul balls...
I'm thinking of getting the GP Patriot (used to have it)

What engine would you all suggest?
----Requires:2-stroke .40-.46 cu in (6.5-7.5 cc)engine
Should I get a huge engine and reinforce the firewall?
What prop combination? Huge diameter high pitch...


Or should I get something like:
Great Planes F-14 Tomcat Kit .60-.75,58.25"


I just want a plane that can do ~ 110 mph easily, look and perform like a jet.... no DF!
Brainstorm for me!

Money isnt that big of issue...
Should i get retracts as well?
Ty all!!!!!
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Old 09-18-2002, 06:11 AM
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

Why'd They Discontinue The Patriot????
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Old 09-18-2002, 07:53 AM
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Default Patriot

I am lucky enough to have 3 Patriots, One is the regular size with a Webra speed 50 stock muffler running a 9x9 apc. It has been clocked at 139 + several times. The 2nd is a 20% larger with a OS 90 sf not the fastest but looks good in the air, also has retracks. The 3rd is a kit new in box. Had a nother one but it`s no longer on earth now if you know what I mean. One of the best flying planes I own. You might try a Whiplash for speed got one of those getting ready to go with a Webra speed 50 also
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Old 09-18-2002, 02:30 PM
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

its gotta be a regular plane...no whiplash or DD.
Gotta have wheels
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Old 09-18-2002, 03:08 PM
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Default Patriot?

One of mine has an Irvine 53 stock exhaust and is pretty quick, I have one on the way that will be home to a Rossi 45, mini-pipe.

The concensus is:
YS-45
Webra anything (40-50 speed)
Jett
Rossi

And I would go 9 x 9 depending on the motor!

Each of these will easily get you above 100 mph, how much depends on your $$

Keep us posted,
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9 x 9? Shouldnt i be trying like: 9 x 11 or 9 x 10 or 10 x 12?

Which would be the best engine in theory?
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Default Gonna take...

A right stout .46 to pull a 9X10, 9X11, or 10X12 (if you could even find one) with enough RPM to get off the ground IMHO.

Theoretically, the more pitch you turn, the faster you go. In practice, the HP limitations of the engine (and availability of props) will limit what you can do.

Also, while the Patriot looks fast, its airframe will have enough drag to limit the speed you could attain.

I think a 9X8 or 9X9 on a .46 powered Patriot will give you about the best mix of speed and enough thrust to actually get off the ground.
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Old 09-18-2002, 05:53 PM
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Default so...?

Like I said:

YS-45 Macs pipe 9 x 9
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

My Patriot has a 46FX with a MACS pipe and turns a APC 9X9 close to 15000 RPM. It is off the ground in a couple of hundred feet and flys great. I have not had it clocked but my guess would be around 120MPH or a bit better. My only beef is the crappy hobbico retracts. They can't hold up to much abuse at all. Any landing that is not picture perfect they bend.
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

For the YS-45
Suggested Props: break in: 11-6 11-7, operation:same

I guess it doesnt come with the muffler so you can decide on what muffler to use huh?
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Old 09-18-2002, 07:17 PM
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My Patriot has a supertiger gs 45 with a tuned pipes and turns a 10x6 master airscrew 16,750 on 15% Byrons fuel. I built this plane myself it was my first kit. All I can say is this is an awsome plane. It has been in my hanger for 10 years and will be there until it cashes in it's chips if you know what I mean.
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Default Yeah, but...

Originally posted by jlb00h
For the YS-45
Suggested Props: break in: 11-6 11-7, operation:same

I guess it doesnt come with the muffler so you can decide on what muffler to use huh?
That doesn't mean you absolutely can't run a 9X9....you ain't gonna go very fast with an 11X6 on a Patriot..

And Hornet has it down, 15K on a piped .46 is just about perfect, and like he says, it takes a couple hundred feet to get airborn.

Sounds like he has done all the legwork and nailed it IMHO. (well, except for the retracts ;-)
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Default ahhh. Chuck!

I was hoping you would say that, I have not tried the 9 x 9 on my YS but I have been thinking about it!

I will keep y'all posted,
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Old 09-18-2002, 07:38 PM
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

My Patriot has a supertiger gs 45 with a tuned pipes and turns a 10x6 master airscrew 16,750 on 15% Byrons fuel. I built this plane myself it was my first kit. All I can say is this is an awsome plane. It has been in my hanger for 10 years and will be there until it cashes in it's chips if you know what I mean.
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Default Hey Razor..

I just saw your post in the Engines Forum..I don't think a 9X9 will over-rev a YS45, not at all.

I run 9X8's on the Duellist on OS 46VF's, and they have over a hundred flights on them, turn 17.4K or so on the ground, still feel new. And I consider the YS to be a higher quality engine.

So let that bad lad turn!
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Default PATRIOT / WEBRA 50

HELLO GUYS

I AM FINISHING A PATRIOT ( WELL NOT ME A FRIEND THAT LIKES TO BUILD ).

IT WILL BE CARRYING A WEBRA 50 WITH MACS TUNED PIPE AND PNEUMATIC RETRACTS. AS PER YOUR CONVERSATION I WILL PUT A 9X9 PROP. WILL KEEP YOU GUYS POSTED.

PLS ADV ANY COMMENTS OR RECOMENDATION TO MAKE THIS PROYECT A WINNER.

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Default Thanks Mr Auger!

This weekend I will give it a shot! 9 x 9...

I am anxiously awaiting that tuned pipe for it... This is not on my Patriot, it is on a Lanier F-4 Phantom ARF prop-jet, not as fast as the Patriot but looks great in the air!

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Old 09-19-2002, 11:00 AM
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Default Need for Speed - GP Patriot

You can put wheels on the Magnum.

"perform like a jet"?!? The question I have for you is what do you mean by this? Do you want speed and a plane that lands like a trainer, or do you want all of the flight characteristics of a jet. The GP F14 fully sheeted and glassed will perform more like a ducted fan than most prop models. Pushers and the better pattern ships will as well. Racing planes are another option.

The questions you must answer are: how fast? what do you want it to look like? what size? how do you want it to land? how much do you want to spend? how smooth are you on the sticks? do you need grass field capability?

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