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Old 10-30-2002, 07:02 AM
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Default patriot vs f-20 vs kouger

hello there
i have an o.s 46 fx that i want to use on a high speed prop plane
i saw that soon the patriot is comming back and i really like how this plane lookes.

how will he fly with an o.s 46 fx?
and how is he compared to the f-20 and kouger mark with an o.s 46 fx?

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Default The Patriot....

....is more streamlined than the F-20, or the
Cougar....and should out-speed the others.

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Default patriot vs f-20 vs kouger

I hate to burst your bubble here but i have the F20. The 46fx is a great runnning engine, I have one in another plane BUT if your looking for speed out of any of the 3 you described, your not going to get it with a 46fx in those planes. Jett 50 will give you what your looking for.
*Another alternative is a .40 size Lanier Shrike. I have one with a TT46pro and Ultrathrust muffler. around 120mph. Not bad for a basic 46 engine or consider a Diamond Dust. 46 engine will pull the snot out of a 3lb plane.
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Old 10-31-2002, 01:10 AM
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Default patriot vs f-20 vs kouger

A friend and I 'raced' each others planes, mine being the DC F20 with a YS.45 and a pipe and retracts, and a friends patriot with a webra.50. Seemed VERY even. No radars to know for sure, but they were very close, mine maybe being a tiny bit faster.
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Default Hmm..

Good advice folks! Tough to break any speed barriers with the FX, but you will have a blast with a Patriot and the 46!

Flyboy and John always give sound advice, but they have the best toys too..

The F-20 with the YS and a Patriot with a Webra! I would pay to see that race...

I do not want to hi-jack this post but.... I got ahold of a brand new Patriot (KIT) built with retracts, what engine do y'all recommend? YS-45RE or Rossi 45 Minipiped??

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Default Re: Hmm..

Originally posted by Razor


The F-20 with the YS and a Patriot with a Webra! I would pay to see that race...
Next time your up here. Astrohog here on RCU owns the patriot.
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Old 11-01-2002, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: Hmm..

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The F-20 with the YS and a Patriot with a Webra! I would pay to see that race...

I do not want to hi-jack this post but.... I got ahold of a brand new Patriot (KIT) built with retracts, what engine do y'all recommend? YS-45RE or Rossi 45 Minipiped??

Take care all,
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Well I call it like i see them. YS .45 is a good choice and gives a Jett .50 a run for its money but the Jett will take it. IMHO, Your two competetive choices are a YS or Jett. The others are a crap shoot. YS is cheaper but that damn pump can cause problems. The Jett is more user friendly. Thing is with the YS, you still need to by the Ultrathrust muffler or some sort of tuned pipe. That can bring you near the cost of a Jett complete with exhaust!

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Default Hmm

The reason I mentioned the YS-45 and Rossi 45 are because I have both of those already! Of course I would take a Jett 50 but I cannot take money from the wedding fund for a new engine, when I have several laying around already...(sound familiar..?)

I have the RE YS with tuned pipe, if it fits the Patriot nose it would work well I guess. That Rossi is darned heavy also..

Thanks Cyclic!
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Old 11-01-2002, 11:02 PM
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Wedding Fund! You mess with that son and you can kiss your RC career goodbye!
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Default 46FX

Roy,

The 46 FX is a great sport 46, probably the best there is but no high performance monster.

The fastest you will go with that will be on a Diamond Dust or Whiplash. The Patriot and F-20 are bigger and heavier and will not go very fast with that engine.

If you want serious speed you will have to get familiar with the Dust, Whiplash, and/or racing planes like Quickies and Q40's. The engines you need to be thinking about are Jett FIRE 50's, Q40 or Quickie engines by Jett, Nelson or MVVS or ducted fan motors.
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Default ...

but i want somthing that looks like a plane.
i am looking for high speed but also a buty.
so i guess i will go with the patriot if i figure out how to get it to israel because tower wont ship it. (if you have some suggestions be my guest).
and i will put an o.s 46 fx and later maybe i will but someting like a rossi 53 with a pipe.
my question was what airplane from those i mentioned (kouger , cermark f-20, direct connection f-20 and patriot you can add more if you want) is the most bang for the buck , enjoyable to fly and will have great speeds.

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Default All good!

Those are all great choices! You cannot miss with that list. Alot of the "performance" you get is obviously based on the powerplant you select. I have only had the Kougar (10+ years ago..??) and Patriot.... and from what I understand I think the Cermark F-20 may be 60 sized or maybe just HEAVY like a 60 size.

I could assert my case for the Patriot, but to be honest... Just search on here under "Patriot" "DC F-20" etc.. And you can decide which looks/sounds like the best option!

This topic has had alot of good responses on here. I think John the Mod. has had all of them so he may be able to compare.

For my .02, no matter which you get:

Glass the center section of the wing

Use retracts, it is worth the hassle (Hobbico maybe??)

Pin the hinges (Or whatever you kids are doing these days with those..)

And once you get used to flying with the FX, get a YS, Jett, or Webra to pull it around... That is what those planes deserve!

Let us know how goes,
james
FWIW- I have no idea on the shipping to your location :stupid:
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Old 11-02-2002, 05:55 PM
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Default thank you for your help

i really apriciate it.
i think i will go with the patriot...i really like his shape
but now i have to find out how to get one here to israel because tower wont ship large boxes.
if you have any ideas please tell me about it.

and i will also check if DC will ship the f-20 if i don't have any other options to get the patriot.
by the way on the cermark site there is no f-20 40 size so i guess it's only betwin the DC or patriot.

another option is building from a plan... i once asked about it someone told that he can send me a copy but i heaven't heard from him since than.
if someone has a plan and willing to send me a copy please connect me and we will talk.

thank you
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Default Yup...

I had a feeling that the Cermark was a .60 sized , they make the F-16 and the -20.... And some folks use Jett 90's or OS 1.08's on those!!

I don't know if you have a preference but the DC is an ARC (I think), the Cermarks are ARFS and the Cougar and Patriots are Kits...

You might also think about "piping" the FX, the tower muffler ($13 bucks or so..) works pretty well, at least I have heard works well

Take it easy,
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P.S. I am going for my first D/F flight today (TGA F-15) after many delays... so no-one turn on their radios! I don't want any interference... :stupid:
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Default Re: Yup...

Originally posted by Razor
P.S. I am going for my first D/F flight today (TGA F-15) after many delays... so no-one turn on their radios! I don't want any interference... :stupid:
James, make sure you let us know how it goes and also post to your thread in the jets section where you first mentioned your TG F-15 first flights.
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Default patriot vs f-20 vs kouger

The results your looking for and what you get is going to be a big "I told you so." I hate to see anyone waste money and that is what your going to do.
1. The Patriot whether a kit or Arf is a nice plane.

2. 46fx is a nice engine, one of the most popular around.

3. Put those two together and it is not going to be good. The plane is to heavy to achieve the results you want. You going to have a flying boat-anchor.

4. Cermark does not make the F20 or F16 anymore.

5. DC F20s are nice also as you saw mine above somewhere.
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Default Cyclic is right....(again)...

....Cermark disc. there .40 size F-20 a couple
years ago....they are sold out, and have disc.
the .60 size F-20. Direct Connections is no
longer producing planes. I got a .40 size
F-20 ARC from them about 2 weeks ago, and
the guy had to go and look to see if he had
one in stock.

I saw an outfit called Kanghe a while back
that was selling what appeared to be the old
cermark .40 size F-20. I'll try to check on that
and report back.

Morris had a neat plane called the "Tomhawk"
awhile back also.....it looked like a Patriot, but
was an ARF. I'm not sure if they are offering
that one anymore either. I'll check....

Right now, for the guys that want to haul, and
have a good time, and don't mind building a kit,
jump on the newly available Patriot like a frog
on a June-bug.

And Cyclic is right about the O.S. engine....
although it is a great running "sport engine",
and is nothing more than that....no matter
what pipe you put on it. If you wanna crank
with the .40 size Prop-Jets...either get a .45
Rossi or Morris (same) mini-tuned pipe, or
long pipe....or if you got the coin, get the
Jett .50 . SEE YA !!!!

I'll bet anyone out there a sixer....that a
Patriot....sans intake scoops....even with
fixed gear (skinny Williams Bros wheels)
and a Jett .50, will smoke everything at
the field. (gear-less kites excepted).

Dave.
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Default ?

Those models are out there even if the Manuf. is not making them anymore....

The OS 46FX will fly the Patriot fine! Nothing special, but I would not say "Boat Anchor" (Mine seems pretty light..)... And if you HAVE to use the FX (Maybe he has one on the shelf..) pipe it to get every last RPM out of it!

Yeah, for "Optimal results" use a Rossi, YS, or Jett... Most know that already, some cannot afford it, or already have the OS...

I flew a SIG SE with a Magnum 40GP in it.... Sounds silly flew great! It just came like that...

Get a Pat throw the FX piped on it, and get a 9 x 9 apc> you will have plenty of fun
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Default Yo, Razor....

...the Mini-tuned pipe Rossi cost's $138.95, and will
out-run the O.S. running backwards....on 5%.

Have you not been receiving my PM'S ???

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Default Re: Cyclic is right....(again)...

Originally posted by Flyboy Dave
Morris had a neat plane called the "Tomhawk"
awhile back also.....it looked like a Patriot, but
was an ARF. I'm not sure if they are offering
that one anymore either. I'll check....
I thought the Morris Tomhawk was a kit only!

Here is a review on the Morris Hobbies website:

http://morrishobbies.com/product_rev...d4cc62ddc06663

Also a link to the product page:

http://morrishobbies.com/product_inf...d4cc62ddc06663

I have always liked the looks of this plane over all of the other prop jets.
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Yep, looks like the Tomhawk is a kit only....sorry
'bout that....

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Originally posted by Flyboy Dave
Yep, looks lkie the Tomhawk is a kit only....sorry
'bout that....
Yeah, but if the guy is looking at building a Patriot kit then he should look at the Tomhawk too! I think this is the best looking propjet around.
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Okay, so "boatanchor"was a weak term. I just call it as i see it. Some of what I experience but mostly of the mistakes countless people make which saves me alot of money.
*We have alot of propjets here and i was one of the last to jump into the pool. I saw what worked and what didn't. The closest competitor to the Jett.50 is the YS.45 with an Ultrathrust. It is really close! But the guys who have the YS.45 are always adjusting and fooling with them and that is not good.
The 46fx can do what you want but not on those planes.
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Default Hey!

Just messing with you Cyclic, I am the least knowledgeable guy on this thread anyway.... I just know what it is like having a motor sitting around that "might work", and not wanting to spend the $$ on a Jett or YS.

Do you think the Ultrathrust is better on the YS-45 than the Macs tuned pipe?

Anyhow hope all is well! How is that Newly covered F-20 flying??

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Default patriot vs f-20 vs kouger

IMHO, The Ultra thrust is what brings out the best in the YS. Sometimes sitting in the back seat driving can be advantages. It's not that I am a know it all but that I see it all. Here in Albuquerque we have a city owned Airpark. Its big its nice and it is a public park.
* Although AMA membership is recommended , it is not required. You can have 50 different people every day. You see and learn alot by seeing what they show up with. I see Macs tuned mufflers hanging on the walls of hobby shops but rarely see one on a plane.
That right their tells you something. 99% of those flying a high performance plane here run an Ultra thrust or full length tuned pipe.
* Take the WM big P51. We have several here. You want it to fly "okay", throw a OS160fx in it. You want it to flat out haul, A Moki 2.10 or OS BGX3500. One guy installed a Saito 180 in his and it was a step up from the 160, nothing great. Not knocking the saito but justnot in that plane.
* I have 3 P-51s. I have the Hangar 9 P51 out in a box right now gathering up whatI need before i start.
Several own them here and they are nice. frankly it is the best on the market for its size.
*They are running OS.91fx or Saito 100's. They fly them very good and it is impressive but I am stuffing a Saito 150 in mine. There will be absolutely no question on power.
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