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Old 11-15-2002, 02:33 AM
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Well started the patriot. only finished the fin tonight.
this plane looks like it is going to build fast
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Old 11-15-2002, 05:29 AM
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still waiting for my two. :-(

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Old 11-15-2002, 03:01 PM
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Still sitting in the shop. I have to finish the bathroom remodel before I can play...



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Old 11-15-2002, 11:53 PM
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That's weird. I am remodeling my bathroom, too. Eerie. Hafta finish mine before I can play also.

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Progress is under way on my first Patriot. Tail feathers are framed out and sheeted (not sanded) and the right wing panel is to the retract planning stage. I am having trouble deciding which retracts to use. I seems some others have had trouble with the Hobbicos that are recommended in the plans. I looked up the Dave Brown mechanicals and they seem a little on large side.....any recommendations? I am also considering air retracts... all insight is greatly appreciated!
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Old 11-16-2002, 09:03 PM
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Default Patriot:Anyone start theirs yet

Originally posted by AOA
I am having trouble deciding which retracts to use. I seems some others have had trouble with the Hobbicos that are recommended in the plans. I looked up the Dave Brown mechanicals and they seem a little on large side.....any recommendations? I am also considering air retracts... all insight is greatly appreciated!
I have no personal experience with these, but have heard good things about the B&D Pneumatic Tricycle Retracts found here:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...1&I=LX7110&P=7

At around $75 they are more expensive than the mechanical type retracts but by the time you add in a retract servo for the mechanicals the price is pretty even. At least this way you don't have to mess around with setting up the mechanical throws etc. which is always a pain.

Hope this helps!
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Default Retracts/Patriot:B&D!!!!

I am using the B&D retracts in my combat models f16n and plan
to use my other set in the patriot. They are strong, reliable and best of cheap!!!
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Default Retracts

B and D's work well, though I never really had much trouble with the Hobbico's, which are drop in for this plane...


I'll be putting Hobbico's in mine.



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Old 11-22-2002, 03:24 AM
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Default Man!! this thing is building fast

have both wings done in less than 6 hours of work!!!! i might need another project for the winter!!!
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Do the Hobbico retracts hold up on grass?
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the hobbico retracts should hold up as long as the grass is not too long.
My thoughts, go with B&D air retracts!!!!!
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I don't fly on grass



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I've seen problems with Hobbico retracts. My planes have had B&D, MK, and Robart. No trouble with any of them. Overall I prefer the B&D if for no other reason, the warranty. Anything breaks for ANY reason, they will fix them. Free. Forever. Or as long as they are in business.

It's only the bare facts: Twins should have retracts.

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PS: Phil, you said "Never had much trouble with Hobbico." Any trouble is too much, in my opinion. wr.
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Old 11-23-2002, 08:44 PM
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I used the Hobbico's, they are fine on grass, if you grease all your landings, and the grass is kept short, neither is consistent for me, lol. The nosegear has been my problems, it also requires constant adjustment to keep the slop out. The mains seem to do fine, and didn't require a lot of adjustment to get them to work, just bend the wires by the drawing on the plans. If I were to build another, I would try the B&D's. I picked up a used set of B&D's, and may try retrofitting them, next time I trash one of the Hobbico's.
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Old 11-24-2002, 01:08 AM
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Dave:

Originally posted by Dave Barrow
I used the Hobbico's, they are fine on grass, if you grease all your landings, and the grass is kept short, neither is consistent for me, lol.
Nor are landings truly consistent for anyone. (Except the fellow who has never done any that weren't straight down.) That's the same I hear from everyone: the Hobbico retracts are a bother. Never had a failure with the B&D, MK, or Robart. Make your choice and spend your money. My choice for sport 40 to 90 is the B&D, scale wants Robart or similar, and of course the pattern style plane gets MK mechanical gear.

If you expect any trouble with landing gear throw it away without hesitation. Or sell it to someone you don't like as much as they think you do. Any gear failure is going to damage the airplane, there is no sense using something you know is going to cause damage. As I said before, any problem with the gear is too much.

And B&D does make straight mechanical as well as the air operated. B&D mechanical gear costs about the same as Hobbico, and has B&D's forever warranty against everything.

You might also look at Spring-Air, they are air up and hold, lose air pressure they come down. Ever run out of gear air? Of course you have. Spring Air gives free insurance against pressure loss.

The Robarts can be converted to operate the same way.

Hope this helps.

If it's pleasure that you will, twins always give a thrill.

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Old 11-24-2002, 04:12 AM
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Default Spring Airs come down auto.?

I have them in my TGA F-15 D/F and I never knew that they would come down when pressure was low/lost!

Good to know though...

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