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Old 12-19-2005, 12:33 PM
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Default Extreme Speed Eindecker

We have an annual warbird race locally that is a lot of fun. Lots of mustangs, spitfires, Messersmitts, At-6's, etc....

I thought it would be fun to build an extreme speed Eindecker, roughly 30-40 sized (45" wing) with a Jett .50 on the nose.

If you look at the eindecker, its not too far a stretch from a basic Q500 design. Just have to make a few mods with the tail feathers and the midwing. Also, need to figure something out for a cowl and landing gear, but otherwise, not much more than a modded Quickee.

Pictures to follow, so far, this has been a great change of pace for me. I had fun making a round verticle stab last night
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Old 12-19-2005, 08:32 PM
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I've been wanting to see this one since you mentioned it in the pylon forum a while back.
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Old 12-19-2005, 09:08 PM
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Some one cut him off. I think he has been overserved.[sm=bananahead.gif] I does sound pretty cool. In the 1/2A side of life we pylon sticks with iron crosses all day long. At the last reedie race one even took home some metal.[X(] Do a search for the DNU
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:55 AM
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Hey Dave,

Sounds a really cool project, remember you saying about this a couple of months ago too. I think it will shock a few people. Cant wait to see it.

Tony.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:54 AM
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Alright Dave, I've got your looser for the warbird race... Stay tuned.. It will be at least as "scale" as your EindecKer
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:30 AM
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I kinda like this color scheme. I haven't decided yet, but this is the front runner.

http://chet_tuthill.tripod.com/Done_4.jpg

What you building/buying Lee?? Just remember, it needs a sport engine. Also, Jerry E. has to approve what your flying. I already got the ok on mine
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:33 AM
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Or maybe this one with a little green.

http://www.proctor-enterprises.com/p...n_cole204w.jpg
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:07 AM
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I've read in a couple places that the max speed of the Eindecker was roughly 88 mph.

NOW that is funny.
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Old 12-20-2005, 12:23 PM
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Don't worry about the approval, it will be scale enough... Picture this, a Bristol M1c with a slightly modified Q40 Napier wing... Then a .52 magnum and a 10x7 or 10x8 prop... It should be interesting if nothing else... Just need to stick some foam on the sides of a quickie to get the round fuse and I'm all set.
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Old 12-20-2005, 12:39 PM
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IF your using a magnum .52, I'll be just fine
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:34 AM
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Hey Dave,
I thought green would be your number 1 choice....
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I figure what I'll give away on the engine I'll make up with the wing... Actually the Magnum spins up pretty good... Should easily spin the 10x7 15K+ ... It's no Jett for sure but it should get out of it's own way.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:04 AM
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Hey Dave.....

next time you are in contact with Lewis S, ask him about my balistic Eindecker I flew at Rheinbeck around 1983

I had one very memorable flight - where when starting the flight, somehow my glow battery wire got into the prop. It broke the 13x6 I had installed. So I quickly installed an 11x7 I had handy. My throttle pushrod got messed up somehow too. Rather than scrapping the round, I started the engine, launched, and flew the entire flight at full throttle.

Mind you this was an eindecker design that Lewis and I worked on for a few years. Was fairly big -- 65" span ... but this thing with a screaming Webra .61 up front was scarey. Somehow the engine with that prop hit a 'note' on the scale muffler I had on it .... and really started to sing.

My bomb run looked more like a torpedo release, and the balloon bust I actually hit on the first pass.

Fortunately I only had an 8oz tank on board.

You would hear assorted people talk about that flight for years afterwards :[&:]
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:23 PM
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Lewis has kinda dissapeared the last year or so, I was really looking forward to his "pacemaker" release. He had been working with my laser cutter and then got tied up with travel for his work. I believe he has since taken a new job with less travel, but he hasn't yet reappeared.

Got some more work on it done last night. This summer I was experimenting with some Seeker fuse sides where I laminated the inside of the fuse with 2.4 oz carbon fiber fabric. It came out EXTREMELY solid, but a little too heavy to finish as a quickee. Last night I fitted the horizontal stab to the fuze and worked on building up the rear of the fuse (so the plane will now be a midwing). At the rear of the wing I am only adding about 3/4" of balsa to the sides, so I am not adding that much additional area. I am going to buzz a quickee wing at the tips through my table saw at the same angle that I cut my tail, cap and round off.

Nothing overly fancy here.

I"m heading to the hobby store in a few minutes to find the right wheels, and possibly a machine gun for the nose
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:25 PM
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I don't have my camera software loaded on the new computer, but should have pics this weekend.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:29 PM
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I had a model of the green Eindecker some years back. It was actually called an "A-3" as opposed to the normal E-3, and was flown by the Austrian Navy.

I know they don't have any shoreline, but they had a navy. Wasn't the father from the Sound of Music a captain in the Austrian Navy?
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Mine will be an e-3, I think I will be going with the green.

Yes, Capt. Van Trapp was with the Austrian Navy.
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If I were you Dave I don't think I would be that quick to come up with answers to detailed questions about the "Sound of Music"... Weren't you a Marine??
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Just because I'm not active duty anymore, doesn't mean I was once a marine. Don't you remember the saying "once a marine, always a marine"?

You mean you've never seen the Sound of Music? I think it was just on TV this past weekend. I'm not saying its something I watch every weekend, but definately a classic that everyone should see at least once.

Tried hard to pick up a machine gun for the Eindecker at lunch, but I guess the Williams bros stuff is tough to get right now, but should be available soon. Did pick up a cool pilot and vintage wheels.
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Yes, the "once a marine always a marine" is what my grandma said when my grandpa was, well acting like a Marine...

I can actually say I've never watched the "Sound of Music", just not into musicals new or classic. Not my gig I guess.

Anyway, back to the Bristol M1c vs. Eindecker... I have preliminary drawings scetched on a bar napkin and it appears it will work with the Napier wing... It will be stubby though, hopefully not too pitchy. I still haven't found a paint scheme I like though... Maybe I'll just have to make something up.
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Its tough when all of the original photos are black and white

You almost have to look at pictures of planes people have built and go from there.

Close enough is cool for me for this project. I like the Bristol, its a neat looking plane.
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Heres a sneak peak of the progress so far.

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I'm a bit concerned about the balance. I think I need to move the firewall back about 3/4". NOt all bad, since I drilled the original firewall for a different motor mount, so this will give me a fresh firewall to work with.
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You've got some work to do yet but that's further than I've got... For the Bristol to be somewhat scale the firewall will be right at the LE of the wing... That should make balancing fun.. I guess now I have to get started on mine. Maybe over the long weekend.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:29 AM
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Yeah, I got time. Just want it ready for the builders show in early April.

Should I enter it in Scale, Sport, or Racing
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