Extreme Speed Prop Planes Discuss the need for speed with fast prop planes (Screamin Demon, Diamond Dust, Shrikes or any REAL sound breakin'''' plane)

250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Reply
Old 09-11-2006, 09:56 PM
  #26
erbroens
 
erbroens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Curitiba, Parana, BRAZIL
Posts: 4,148
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

lol... I can´t see a tornado there!


Enrique
erbroens is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 05:27 PM
  #27
Troy-RCU
 
Troy-RCU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Oceanside, CA
Posts: 525
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

OK, we want daily reports!!!!!!
Who's gonna hit 240+?
hope you speak German or have Google translate (hint right click on webpage and hit translate to English)
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...hp%3Ft%3D53421
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...hp%3Ft%3D53327
Troy-RCU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 05:06 PM
  #28
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Results DAY 1 (one flight from the right + one flight from the left, divided by 2)

3,5 ccm(.21):
Guntermann – 272,7 km/h (169mph) – Modell Ariane P 5 mit Novarossi 2,5 ccm
Pietschmann – 270,0 km/h – Modell Topspeed 3.5 mit Novarossi ct 21
Schickel – 268,4 km/h – Modell Club 20 mit Rossi GT 3,5 ccm

6,6 ccm(.40):
Schickel – 335,0 km/h (208mph)– Modell Fago F3D mit MB 40
Müller, H.J. – 326,0 km/h – Modell Rocket mit Runjet Phealen 6,5 ccm
Jakob – 318,0 km/h – Modell Dago Red In. mit MB 40

15 ccm(.91):
Jakob – 356,0 km/h (221mph)– Model Kaiser Speeder mit BVM 91
Schaller – 353,3 km/h – Modell Weirich Speeder mit Rossi 90 DF
Weirich – 346,5 km/h – mit Modell – natürlich … Weirich Speeder mit OPS 60
Schmald – 336,0 km/h – Modell Kaiserspeeder mit OPS 60

[X(]

Picture 1: Pilots of Speedcup 2006
Picture 2: Fastest model airplane of DAY 1: Michael Jakob – 356,0 km/h (221mph)– Model: Kaiser Speeder mit BVM 91
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Om31786.jpg
Views:	22
Size:	48.0 KB
ID:	525176   Click image for larger version

Name:	Cx75776.jpg
Views:	31
Size:	87.4 KB
ID:	525177  
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 03:44 AM
  #29
Strykaas
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 4,571
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Thanks for this detailed report !! How fast was the magnum ? Congrats Michael [sm=thumbup.gif]
Strykaas is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 09:21 AM
  #30
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Final Result:

bis 3,5ccm(.21)
1.Pietschmann, Rolf: 283,1km/h (176mph)
2.Schickel, Georg: 275,4km/h
3.Guntermann, Bernd: 272,7km/h

bis 6,6ccm(.40)
1.Schickel, Georg: 335,0km/h (208mph)
2.Müller, Hans-Joachim: 331,6km/h
3.Schaller, Hans-Joachim: 329,4km/h

bis 15ccm(.91)
1.Jakob, Michael: 357,0km/h (222mph)
2.Schaller, Hans-Joachim: 353,3km/h
3.Schmald, Peter: 347,8km/h

Elektro:
1.Koppenburg, Kai: 216,2km/h (134mph)
2.Schulte-Renger, Dennis: 201,1km/h
3.Siegmann, Hartmut: 188,2km/h

Fastest Pilot: Michael Jakob
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Ax73066.jpg
Views:	20
Size:	93.4 KB
ID:	525437  
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 01:16 PM
  #31
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Best pictures at: http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=53421

Some pictures of SPEEDCUP 2006:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Sq46255.jpg
Views:	35
Size:	77.4 KB
ID:	525543   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ni22761.jpg
Views:	37
Size:	77.8 KB
ID:	525544   Click image for larger version

Name:	Hm23941.jpg
Views:	49
Size:	118.6 KB
ID:	525545   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ic83599.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	122.2 KB
ID:	525546   Click image for larger version

Name:	Uf50659.jpg
Views:	22
Size:	114.2 KB
ID:	525547   Click image for larger version

Name:	Qg63599.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	110.0 KB
ID:	525548   Click image for larger version

Name:	Np18202.jpg
Views:	27
Size:	38.5 KB
ID:	525549   Click image for larger version

Name:	Wu71843.jpg
Views:	32
Size:	143.9 KB
ID:	525550  

Click image for larger version

Name:	Yw38174.jpg
Views:	26
Size:	104.5 KB
ID:	525551   Click image for larger version

Name:	Pc27818.jpg
Views:	20
Size:	125.2 KB
ID:	525552   Click image for larger version

Name:	Jp68455.jpg
Views:	37
Size:	75.4 KB
ID:	525553   Click image for larger version

Name:	Om33177.jpg
Views:	20
Size:	102.2 KB
ID:	525554  
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 04:09 PM
  #32
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

@Strykaas
No result for the "Magnum"


...but inofficial world record at the Speedcup 2006 for F3A:

Peter Schmald (Germany) with OPS 60 engine: 347,8km/h (216mph)



Peter´s engine and Peter himself:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Lj22368.jpg
Views:	21
Size:	77.4 KB
ID:	525652   Click image for larger version

Name:	Bw71703.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	29.9 KB
ID:	525653  
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 06:52 PM
  #33
SPEED JUNKIE
 
SPEED JUNKIE's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: GRIFTON, NC
Posts: 488
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Mike,
Oustanding![sm=thumbs_up.gif]
You are the Man!
Please send me some 10x10 carbon fiber props so I can simulate your performance over here with our Rev Bro's in the American Desert!
SJ
SPEED JUNKIE is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 08:58 PM
  #34
Razor-RCU
 
Razor-RCU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Mira Mesa, CA
Posts: 5,405
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

BVM-91? AWESOME!

Very motivating to see these ships!

Every once in awhile I see an OPS-60 on Ebay and I am tempted to get one for just such an occasion...

Speed Junkie- Any hints as to what you are working on? Is it Rossi-90 related?
Razor-RCU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 10:25 PM
  #35
HighPlains
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Over da rainbow, KS
Posts: 5,082
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Looks like you need 40% more power if you want that 250 mph speed.
HighPlains is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2006, 10:51 PM
  #36
SPEED JUNKIE
 
SPEED JUNKIE's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: GRIFTON, NC
Posts: 488
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Razor,
Yes!
I love my Rossi .90's
I think I have about 6 of them plus enough new parts to build 3 more!
Simple, sleek, cheap and fast is my motto at the moment for the new airframe!
SJ
SPEED JUNKIE is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2006, 09:42 AM
  #37
bob27s
 
bob27s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 5,576
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Thanks VERY much for the reporting and the results !!!!

Maybe one of these years I can get over there and have some fun with you folks !!!

Bob
bob27s is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2006, 11:52 AM
  #38
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Look at this fantastic picture of my friend Artur:

The plane touched the ground at 190mph..... crash??? No!!!, ...the flight went on with grass on the right wing!!!

After that the pilot (Klaus Wilken) was happy!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Pn36079.jpg
Views:	29
Size:	86.8 KB
ID:	526225   Click image for larger version

Name:	Om33884.jpg
Views:	34
Size:	103.3 KB
ID:	526226  
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2006, 08:23 PM
  #39
gleebs
 
gleebs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ogden, UT
Posts: 405
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th


Quote:
ORIGINAL: slowmo777

From todays viewpoint the maximum allowed wing load of 75 grams/dm² is THE main technical barrier if trying to set a new remarkable world speed record (let’s say about 240 mph through the 200 m distance without wind support) for prop driven speed planes.

If tyring to set a record for fastest flying propped RC object there shouldn't be any barriers. What is the point of the barrier? I can see it creating competition in a certain class, but fastest means fastest regardless of what had to done to get there. However it should be on the planes power with understandably a dive but not nature helping.
gleebs is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2006, 12:02 PM
  #40
Troy-RCU
 
Troy-RCU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Oceanside, CA
Posts: 525
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Looks like a good weekend of flying. While maybe comparing apples to oranges, this plane went 20mph slower with a gas motor than our average electric pylon power system on it. It's a popular F5D airframe hacked off at the nose.

Though, I'm confused why none of the fast German electric guys didn't go to this?? They all have stuff that's capable of 200+. Is this not a well advertised event?
Troy-RCU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2006, 01:51 PM
  #41
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

@Troy-RCU
the result of the Ariane Pylon model, you talked about, was 169mph with a gas motor! Are you sure, that an average electric pylon power system goes 20 miles faster through a straight line of 160 yards??? I can´t believe that. Please tell me your configuration and the components you are using in the electric model.

The event was advertised very well, but the Speedcup is traditionel an event of gas planes. It was the first time, that planes with electric power got their own class. Maybe next year you can see more planes with electric power at the Speedcup 2007 in Dachau (near Munich).


Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2006, 02:47 PM
  #42
aaviles
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Rio Piedras, PUERTO RICO (USA)
Posts: 180
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Where i can find this kit for BVM?

[link]http://image.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/191383/Cx75776.jpg[/link]
aaviles is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2006, 03:22 PM
  #43
Mastos
 
Mastos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OsnabrueckNiedersachsen, GERMANY
Posts: 28
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

@aaviles
The person who knows everything about this model is the owner: Michael Jakob (Germany´s fastest model pilot with prop!). His name in this RCUniverse forum is: "f3d". Write him a mail and you get any information you need....or use the german forum "www.rc-network.de" and choose "Speedcup". His name in the german forum is also "f3d". There you can write him a personal message. He speaks English.
Mastos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2006, 04:01 PM
  #44
Troy-RCU
 
Troy-RCU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Oceanside, CA
Posts: 525
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Mastos, 272km/h is fast but when I saw the plane and motor I expected 280+km/h. A good .21 is 2-2.5 HP at 30,000+RPM and 749 watts is 1 horsepower. The electric system is around 800 watts or just above 1 HP and flying weight is 850grams (heavier too). A Hacker B40 FAI on 9-GP2200's can achieve 185mph without a long dive (similar to your two gates), I have measured this with a good quality Radar Gun early in the summer. Average speed on a course is about 175mph/281.6km/h although the last FAI world championship new world records were set and speeds were higher.
Good video here:
http://www.strat.at/download/mayerg_wc2006.wmv
I saw that Dirk Belting went last year and flew 175mph with his Avionik F5D but not this year. I think this is a great event and hopefully you can make this grow!
The German RC boat racers are king of speed, too. Another contest in November here in California. Maybe 140mph/225km/h this year?
Danke
Troy-RCU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2006, 08:53 AM
  #45
mroos
 
mroos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: somewhere, GERMANY
Posts: 45
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

@ aaviles

This kit, mainly fuselage is a construction of Achim Kaiser back from the 90's. It was among the top in those days and is still up to date. Achim Kaiser is well known in the F3D Pylon scene - just some background information about Achim Kaiser. Today the fueslage gets combined with different types of selfmade wings. There are serveral legal copies around here of his speeder. The best way is to set up your question in the german speed forum as Mastos / Martin said. I bet someone else might answer too.

@ troy

Bernd's (the one with the "gas Ariane" on the Photo) main intense was a a high speed within the 3,5ccm class, not replacing an Elektro as his main intense. What rellay hurts is the not covered engine and pipe - he also mentioned that disadvantage. But as usual time is rare. But he promised he will cover that for next year.

As usual, people promise higher speeds or say : Hey man 350 km/h? That's easy to beat. But it's somewhat strange, that those people don't appear on the contest Building your own fuselage, wing and props is somewhat more complicate than it might be at the first look. And for sure very time consuming. Beeing faster than the other oones is the next point. I am relativley sure, that speeds will raise more, and limit will be pushed further next year. I will also try to do so next year
mroos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2006, 08:23 AM
  #46
I-Love-Jets
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dren, GERMANY
Posts: 296
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Quote:
ORIGINAL: Strykaas

How fast was the magnum ?
Hello, according to the owner his Magnum flew 165 mph in only one direction, with the "support" of tailwind.

I-Love-Jets is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2006, 02:57 AM
  #47
757Driver
 
757Driver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Broken Arrow, OK
Posts: 1,318
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

What props are they running on the 91df's?
Diameter and pitch?

MFG?
757Driver is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2006, 01:58 PM
  #48
Cyclic Hardover
 
Cyclic Hardover's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: New Mexico,
Posts: 7,296
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Where can we purchase these European Speed planes? Any US catalogs or suppliers? Pretty sharp. Look to me like a bashed up "Dirty Birdi"
Attached Images
  
Cyclic Hardover is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2006, 02:46 PM
  #49
saleens7
 
saleens7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: pembroke pines, FL
Posts: 2,035
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

200+ on a prop plane???

im not a flyer (i might start soon howerver), so ive never seen any propped plane go that fast....

the motors these guys are using, are they modded airplane motors, or suped up versions of boat or car motors....a lot of stock car and boat motors actually have more rpm's and torque than airplane motors....but then again, they are heavyer.....still amazed on how fast the glider goes.....[X(]
saleens7 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2006, 06:46 PM
  #50
I-Love-Jets
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dren, GERMANY
Posts: 296
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: 250 mph speed! - German SPEEDCUP 2006 scheduled Sept 15th 16th 17th

Quote:
ORIGINAL: Cyclic Hardover

Where can we purchase these European Speed planes? Any US catalogs or suppliers?
Hello Cyclic Hardover,

I am pretty sure that these two speedplanes are not distributed anywhere outside Germany. Even here such kits are so rare that I suppose even potential speed competition flyers have a hard time getting a spare kit.

Anyway, FHHOBBIES made a thread some days ago addressing the “real” demand of a certain, yet undecided type of fast prop driven plane. Actually he doesn’t know what type of plane to design and kit for the North American folks.

So many of the RCU forum members should actively help him to reach a decision. Time and demand will tell what to be kit in the end…

See here:
What would you want?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_48...tm.htm#4896208
I-Love-Jets is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:59 PM.