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Should i buy a combat models F-16N?

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Old 06-26-2006, 11:23 PM
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Hello all,
Should i buy the combat models F-16N, how does it fly, and more importantly does it look sort of scale? I like building plastic models and this will be my first non-arf, so i can mess with adding some details. I hear its fast with the right engine. And i like how most of the engine is hidden....does anything show besides the prop?

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Old 06-27-2006, 12:38 AM
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Yes if:

You like foam construction
You are familiar with fiberglassing over foam
You do not care for customer support (cuz CBM has the worst cust service I have EVER seen)
You have a YS-45 and MACS full pipe to run in it- no other engine works very well, trust me it has been covered.

NO if:

You do not like or are not familiar with foam construction and glassing
You ever have a question for CBM
You plan on running any engine other than the YS-45

Sorry for being cynical but CBM has quite a rep. for bad service (actually no service at all) [X(]

The airplane looks VERY scale and flies pretty well- Nothing shows other than the prop. so that is sweet (Until you need to get in there for some reason)

I have owned one and seen others fly...

I would recommend the new Cermark F-16 even though the en gine is up front it is much nicer and user friendly---

Direct Connection made an F-18 that is a pusher and is NOT FOAM. You may try to find one of those---

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Old 06-27-2006, 01:01 AM
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Default RE: Should i buy a combat models F-16N?

should i scrap this idea if i cant find a YS engine? how does the exhaust come of the body out anyways? does it just flow through the prop? I wont be uying this through combat models, theres a guy selling one on the message board including retracts and all
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:29 AM
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I will second all to what Razor said there. Although it is a foam plane, its is very far from an ARF, and requires some attention to detail. The fuel system will definately require you attention.

I will add, that the foam F-16 pusher REALLY needs a paved surface. Rotation angle and acceleration are important, and the plane does not do well from grass.

Lots of good flying examples of that plane out there. I have flown a couple over the years. Most succssful ones powered with the YS45, and a handful flying with Jett 50 and 60L power. Those are the only suitable engines. And like Razor, in this application, I will recommend the YS45 if you can aquire one. The trade with the JETT, is you can get a tad more power, and obtain the engine in reverse rotation configuration (so you can use a variety of regular props), but you have to built the fuel system differently - pump should be avoided.

Weigh the effort involved in building the plane, and the limitaions operating it, as oppose to other similar models out there. For the cost and level of effort in building the CBM F-16, you could just as well build a G&P F-18, Cermark F-16, Morris T-45, the AKM Mig29 or SU-27, or one of the Juno R/C kits. Some other nice pusher, more scale planes out there - some kits, some plans built.
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:07 AM
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Don't forget about the T-38 from AngelRC. Definately an option.....

Check it out Eddie:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31...tm.htm#3185870

Hope the link works...

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Old 06-27-2006, 11:24 AM
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Oh yeah don't forget Angel's stuff!

It should be noted that the Jett if set up properly will be more powerful but as Bob mentions, it takes a requisite amount of work and study [:'(] to get ANYTHING in the tail of the CBM F-16N.

FYI- As I recall some fols used the side exhaust YS and ran the pipe under the airplane (kinda ugly and definitely not scale) or the Rear exhaust with a turnaround pipe that runs inside the fuse- (Add an extra hatch and use a pipe hanger)

They are very nice when built but dent easily- 10 years ago they were pretty sweet but with today's offerings I would never build another. Just my .02

This is the only post where I list the YS ahead of a Jett-50/60LX and it is primarily because the fuel tanks in the CBM are about 2 1/2 feet from the engine so you need the pumped YS-

One last thing- Prop strikes... you run a wire from the fuse to the ground to protect the prop. as the plane rotates (10x7APC) but if it too long or too short you got problems and again it is not scale-
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This is the only post where I list the YS ahead of a Jett-50/60LX and it is primarily because the fuel tanks in the CBM are about 2 1/2 feet from the engine so you need the pumped YS-

Excellent point James. Back when I was considering this jet, that was something I overlooked. I ended up NOT buying one due to the extensive building of this so called "ARF".

I ended up with the Cermark F-16 which was purty....but very disapointed in the overall performance. That fake intake was a big part of the problem.

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here are a couple of quick references on the project....

http://members.aol.com/cbmjets/homepage/rcmf16n.html

http://home.comcast.net/~keblair/CBMF16N.htm

This info from the owner of the plane pictured:
Not only have I redesigned the Fuel system I also redesigned the engine
mount which now makes it possible to remove the exhaust nozzle which gives
you complete unrestricted access to the engine. Its a three piece round
mount that fits inside the jet. Its a process that each piece is bolted
together then drilled as a unit so all the hole match. I will have to send
drawings and picture of this.

The fuel system change was first I threw the original tanks and design in
the garbage. It doesn't work even with a Perry pump. To complicated, to
far to suck the fuel with two tanks!!!

The new design is a fuel tank (12oz flask) mounted in the intake vertically
centered, Just above the original fuel tank location. So the air can still
flow around it. The tank is accessible and removable (I am big on access)
from the main landing gear wheel well. And a Hopper tank (2oz) mounted even
with the fuel inlet of the engine. It is basically glued to the top of the
inside just forward of the engine mount with masking tape wrapped around the
tank then supported to the top of the inside with carbon fiber and epoxy.
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Anybody know where i can get a canopy for this F-16?

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Old 07-23-2006, 04:37 PM
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Try BVM , There F-16 is almost the same size I think.
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